The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

[RandomGuy96]

And I highly doubt Chiaotzu became over twice as strong between the 22nd and 23rd, as Tao did.

Why not? Chaozu constantly trains with Ten. Even though the latter is stronger, they'll both get similar results because they're training together.

If they'll both get similar results, then Chiaotzu couldn't possibly have gotten anywhere near a x2 boost, since Tenshinhan only went from 180 to somewhere below 250.

[Doctor.]

And I highly doubt Chiaotzu became over twice as strong between the 22nd and 23rd, as Tao did.

Why not? Chaozu constantly trains with Ten. Even though the latter is stronger, they'll both get similar results because they're training together.

If they'll both get similar results, then Chiaotzu couldn't possibly have gotten anywhere near a x2 boost, since Tenshinhan only went from 180 to somewhere below 250.

I don't believe in the 180 thing, so that's irrelevant to me.

[RandomGuy96]

I don't believe in the 180 thing, so that's irrelevant to me.

It still must be above 139. So no x2 boost for Chiaotzu.

[Doctor.]

I don't believe in the 180 thing, so that's irrelevant to me.

It still must be above 139. So no x2 boost for Chiaotzu.

Why must it be above 139? There's nothing that tells us Kame-sennin stopped training after the 22nd Budokai. Sure, it's implied, but not directly stated.

[RandomGuy96]

I don't believe in the 180 thing, so that's irrelevant to me.

It still must be above 139. So no x2 boost for Chiaotzu.

Why must it be above 139? There's nothing that tells us Kame-sennin stopped training after the 22nd Budokai. Sure, it's implied, but not directly stated.

Why the heck would he still be training to the 23rd and then to Raditz? Not only is it never stated or implied he did, supplemental material says he didn't.

[Doctor.]

Why the heck would he still be training to the 23rd and then to Raditz? Not only is it never stated or implied he did, supplemental material says he didn't.

He clearly had in mind that he still was of some help even after saying that the new age or whatever had arrived, since he fought against Piccolo Daimao.

[RandomGuy96]

Why the heck would he still be training to the 23rd and then to Raditz? Not only is it never stated or implied he did, supplemental material says he didn't.

He clearly had in mind that he still was of some help even after saying that the new age or whatever had arrived, since he fought against Piccolo Daimao.

He didn't really fight against him, he just showed up and attempted to perform one move. Then failed. His power was irrelevant there, and he seems to have retired after that, given that he doesn't even enter the next tournament and explicitly says there that he no longer has any role to play.

[Doctor.]

Why the heck would he still be training to the 23rd and then to Raditz? Not only is it never stated or implied he did, supplemental material says he didn't.

He clearly had in mind that he still was of some help even after saying that the new age or whatever had arrived, since he fought against Piccolo Daimao.

He didn't really fight against him, he just showed up and attempted to perform one move. Then failed. His power was irrelevant there, and he seems to have retired after that, given that he doesn't even enter the next tournament and explicitly says there that he no longer has any role to play.

I'll have to edit some of my battle powers, then.

Still, I don't think Chaozu will be able to handle Tao.

[RandomGuy96]

I'll have to edit some of my battle powers, then.

Still, I don't think Chaozu will be able to handle Tao.

Again, why? Tao is total garbage by the 22nd Budokai.

[Doctor.]

I'll have to edit some of my battle powers, then.

Still, I don't think Chaozu will be able to handle Tao.

Again, why? Tao is total garbage by the 22nd Budokai.

Chaozu only managed to hold off Kuririn for a while because he was caught off-guard with his strange abilities. Later on, Chaozu almost gets one-shotted, meaning in terms of battle power, he wasn't that close to Kuririn to begin with.

[Bullza]

Who do you guys think were the Top 10 strongest active characters on Earth at the start of Dragon Ball. Without giving it too much thought I'd say this

Kami
Mr Popo
Korin
Mercenary Tao
Roshi
Tsuru
Android 8
Devil Man
The Mummy
Namu

[Kamiccolo9]

Who do you guys think were the Top 10 strongest active characters on Earth at the start of Dragon Ball. Without giving it too much thought I'd say this

Kami
Mr Popo
Karin
Mercenary Tao
Roshi
Tsuru
Android 8
Devil Man
The Mummy
Namu

Chappa should be there somewhere, probably in the top 5. Tenshinhan is a possibility, but we can't really know for sure. Going by the anime, Gyumao would be on the list too.

[Chrono Trigger]

If Goku and Vegeta fused during the Saiyan Arc with the earrings would they have been strong enough to defeat Freeza?

[Cursed Lemon]

If Goku and Vegeta fused during the Saiyan Arc with the earrings would they have been strong enough to defeat Freeza?

They would've had trouble with first form Freeza.

[Kaboom]

They could probably go mano-a-mano with Freeza's first form at least, but anything stronger than that might be too much for them.

[White Oni]

If Goku and Vegeta fused during the Saiyan Arc with the earrings would they have been strong enough to defeat Freeza?

Unless you believe the fusion multiplier is vegeta x goku, they get utterly squashed by Frieza.

[Doctor.]

Buu arc Piccolo vs Trunks SSJ Grade II

[Kaboom]

Buu arc Piccolo vs Trunks SSJ Grade II

Piccolo beats Trunks if he sticks to Grade 2. If he goes Grade 3, then it plays out pretty much the same as it did against Cell and Trunks still loses.

[Chrono Trigger]

Only first form? I was looking in some other thread and it was stated that a Potara Fusion between the two of them is more a multiplication type of thing (Like "White Oni" said above). So I was curious if they had done it then would it be 18,000 x 8000....which would create a Vegetto with a power level of uhhh...well almost Super Saiyan...is that wrong? Cause if that were true wouldn't that mean that with a base power level so high...if that Vegetto were to go Super Saiyan it would multiply that battle power times 50? I guess I'm just wondering if technically if Vegetto were to be born that early wouldn't he still be strong enough to beat most opponents all the way up to at least Cell just by going Super Saiyan?

[Kaboom]

It's up to interpretation, really. Some take it less literally than others, for a variety of reasons.

I, personally, don't literally multiply Goku and Vegeta's battle powers together for Vegetto because I don't see that particular mathematical method being possible from an in-universe angle. The numbers that get tossed around are just the scale that scouters use to measure power... and I doubt that a mystical Fusion method created eons ago by a god-race would have anything to do with scouters.

Then consider that other power measurements, like most notably Kiri, use an entirely different scale. The battle powers at work in the Boo arc would almost certainly be in the billions by the scouter scale, but when measured in kiri were only in the hundreds and thousands. So A times B in scouter numbers isn't going to be the same thing as A times B in Kiri. The former would place Vegetto as millions of times stronger than Goku or Vegeta alone, while the latter would "only" make him thousands of times stronger.

So the way I figure it, strictly multiplying their scouter-assigned numbers together doesn't work, and can't work. Since the description in question described it as, "like multiplication," I'm more inclined to believe it just means that Vegetto is simply many times greater than Goku and Vegeta alone, and that all else being equal the power increase is especially large compared to the Fusion Dance.