Should FUNimation have done a completely new cast for Kai?

[ABED]

Yes, those lines existed, but what he was saying was that with Kai it is now possible to get through the series without such lines. Granted, the Remastered Version still contains some really hilarious lines, but there are plenty others that were removed.

That's not how I took it. I took it as kids don't have it like we did.

[Valerius Dover]

That's not how I took it. I took it as kids don't have it like we did.

Fair enough. I guess I took for granted how fortunate I was getting into Dragon Ball in late 2012. You guys had to actually put up with a time when only the censored version was available.

[ABED]

Well, you could get the Unedited tapes, but the problem was the music, voices, performances, and dialog. Having blood was not much of a consolation prize, but better than nothing.

[Valerius Dover]

Well, it took a long time before the uncut version was fully available. Either way, uncut is a major deal. I usually divide dubs into two major groups. Uncut and Edited. In my opinion, any uncut release is always better than an edited one overall, regardless of a preference for one or two voices.

Anyway, done rambling here.
Oh, yeah, Kai topic. A lot of people have said this dub makes a world of difference compared to the Z dub. I'm usually open-minded, so I'm enjoying the Z dub so far (and from what I hear it's actually even better in the Buu arc) so I bet Kai is going to be a VERY enjoyable experience for me.

[Kamiccolo9]

I still don't think any of the bad lines come anywhere close to comparing to "The Next Dimension."

*shudder*

[Black_Anime_Fan]

Nope. The FUNimation cast for Kai is perfect the way it is right now imo. You take away Sabat and Schemmel and you got yourself a riot.

[ABED]

I still don't think any of the bad lines come anywhere close to comparing to "The Next Dimension."

*shudder*

You don't think "mondo cool" or "You dirty crook, you stole your mother's pocket book" or "Round and round the monkey goes, if he stops, off with his nose" were worse than Next Dimension? I understand that it was a euphemism so as to not acknowledge death, but to be fair, the dead did go to another dimension.

[Freeza Soldier #156]

I still don't think any of the bad lines come anywhere close to comparing to "The Next Dimension."

*shudder*

You don't think "mondo cool" or "You dirty crook, you stole your mother's pocket book" or "Round and round the monkey goes, if he stops, off with his nose" were worse than Next Dimension? I understand that it was a euphemism so as to not acknowledge death, but to be fair, the dead did go to another dimension.

Just replaying those parts in my head while reading your post made me break down laughing. Man, that was some cheesy stuff.

[Kamiccolo9]

I still don't think any of the bad lines come anywhere close to comparing to "The Next Dimension."

*shudder*

You don't think "mondo cool" or "You dirty crook, you stole your mother's pocket book" or "Round and round the monkey goes, if he stops, off with his nose" were worse than Next Dimension? I understand that it was a euphemism so as to not acknowledge death, but to be fair, the dead did go to another dimension.

No, because, all in all, those were bad lines that were embarrassing, but didn't really affect anything. "The next dimension" comes from that utterly asinine attempt to avoid talking about death, which I consider way more harmful than a bunch of dumb lines, considering as death is already trivialized in the series enough without avoiding references to it entirely.

Although, I do think "just wait until it grows back!" and "Good thing it's Sunday! No people in the city!" (paraphrased, of course) and that bullshit about the robotic planes are just as bad, for the same reason.

[Valerius Dover]

You took the words right out of my mouth Kamiccolo!

That's exactly how I feel. Those corny lines don't affect the series as a whole. They're there, and then they've passed. Simple as that.

[Freeza Soldier #156]

You took the words right out of my mouth Kamiccolo!

That's exactly how I feel. Those corny lines don't affect the series as a whole. They're there, and then they've passed. Simple as that.

They may not affect the story, but they affect how the people watching it feel about it. I'm not one to be ashamed to like what I like, but I couldn't help feeling a twinge of embarrassment when one of those absurdly corny lines popped up when I was watching it and my parents or someone was around. I've never felt that way when showing people the Japanese version or even the Kai dub. I was pretty proud when my brother and I dragged our mom to see the BOG dub at the theater with us.

[Gyt Kaliba]

Although, I do think "just wait until it grows back!"

I've always found that edit line to be particularly hilarious and...well, in a way, offensive, for lack of a better word. I mean, I get it, they wanted to decrease the violence for fear of parents complaining, I get that. But uh...is it really a good idea to teach children that your arm will grow back? That seems like a really, REALLY bad piece of misinformation to be putting into kids heads...

[Valerius Dover]

Although, I do think "just wait until it grows back!"

I've always found that edit line to be particularly hilarious and...well, in a way, offensive, for lack of a better word. I mean, I get it, they wanted to decrease the violence for fear of parents complaining, I get that. But uh...is it really a good idea to teach children that your arm will grow back? That seems like a really, REALLY bad piece of misinformation to be putting into kids heads...

I think pretty much every edit done by dubbing companies in the past has backfired in some way similar to this situation.

[ABED]

"Another dimension" honestly doesn't affect the series at all. Even in the series, they sometimes use the term "the next world". It doesn't trivialize it even though it is a euphemism. I can deal with euphemisms, I can't deal with horrible dialog.

Although, I do think "just wait until it grows back!" and "Good thing it's Sunday! No people in the city!" (paraphrased, of course) and that bullshit about the robotic planes are just as bad, for the same reason.

They aren't the same thing, because those do affect the narrative just like saying Goku's father was a brilliant scientist.

They're there, and then they've passed.

They ring in my ear long after they're over.

They may not affect the story, but they affect how the people watching it feel about it. I'm not one to be ashamed to like what I like, but I couldn't help feeling a twinge of embarrassment when one of those absurdly corny lines popped up when I was watching it and my parents or someone was around. I've never felt that way when showing people the Japanese version or even the Kai dub. I was pretty proud when my brother and I dragged our mom to see the BOG dub at the theater with us.

I had the same reaction.

[Valerius Dover]

The Next Dimension term, now that I think about it, WAS used in the Captain Ginyu and Frieza Sagas, even in the Remastered Version. This includes redubbed dialog. However, it was only used in reference to bringing people back, never when somebody gets killed.

[Puto]

"Another dimension" honestly doesn't affect the series at all. Even in the series, they sometimes use the term "the next world". It doesn't trivialize it even though it is a euphemism. I can deal with euphemisms, I can't deal with horrible dialog.

Ano yo, what Simmons translated overly literally as ‘the Next World’ (though if you want to get even more literal, it would be ‘that world’), is the standard Japanese term for the afterlife.

[ABED]

"Another dimension" honestly doesn't affect the series at all. Even in the series, they sometimes use the term "the next world". It doesn't trivialize it even though it is a euphemism. I can deal with euphemisms, I can't deal with horrible dialog.

Ano yo, what Simmons translated overly literally as ‘the Next World’ (though if you want to get even more literal, it would be ‘that world’), is the standard Japanese term for the afterlife.

Another term people have for the afterlife is "the next life". All I'm saying is people put up a big fuss (I'm including myself from years ago) about the term "another dimension", but I don't think it's the worst idea they ever had, nor do I think it affects the series that much since it has close (enough)antecedents.

I'll take 100 "another dimensions" over 1 "cat loves food..."

[BurakkuForesuto]

An LA cast would have been far better than the cast we have now. Overall, the Kai dub is decent, but it needs a solid LA dub to make the show better than it is already.

Goku: JYB
Piccolo: Kirk Thornton
Gohan: Yuri Lowenthal
Vegeta: Steve Blum
Kuririn: Sam Riegal
Freeza: Crispin Freeman
17: Grant George
18: Tara Platt
Chi Chi: Mela Lee
Cell: Michael Forest
Boo: Richard Epcar
Bulma: Wendee Lee
King Kai: WFK
Mr Satan: Beau Blingsea
Trunks: Matt Mercer
Goten: Mona Marshall

These are some suggestions. If JP VAs are 1st in the world, then LA VAs are a close second. Why do you think English speaking JP games NEVER use VAs outside LA?

[Gyt Kaliba]

These are some suggestions. If JP VAs are 1st in the world, then LA VAs are a close second. Why do you think English speaking JP games NEVER use VAs outside LA?

That actually has a lot more to do with the fact that there's a lot more voice-over done in LA than there is in Texas, period, than it does any overall statement of quality. LA is just a much bigger area for these things than Texas is. All Texas has, as far as voice-over goes, is local ad-work, anime, and a few video games. LA however has more ad-work, equal-or-more anime, WAY more video games, and domestic animation as well.

Not to mention that a lot of LA's newest heavy-hitters moved from Texas anyway...my point being that just moving to an LA based cast doesn't automatically mean that the dub would be any better than it was before, or any worse either. So much depends upon the actors chosen and the director, and the passion they all have for the project.

[TheBlackPaladin]

As an actor who lives in LA, I can say with 100% confidence that not a lot of anime gets dubbed here anymore (at least comparatively speaking). To the bewilderment of many of my older voice actor colleagues--but not so much to me, because besides being an actor I'm also an anime fan who keeps up with industry trends--Dallas is now referred to as "the dubbing capital of America." It's not like anime never gets dubbed in LA anymore, we absolutely do get some bites still (including a recent, major bite in the form of Sailor Moon)...but FUNimation, as Crispin Freeman said, "is the 800-pound gorilla in the room."

As an actor, I'd like as many things to be dubbed in LA as possible, but as a fan, I don't care where something is dubbed as long as the final result is good...and as I've expressed before, I most certainly do believe that the final result of the Kai dub has been great.