Does a saiyan class factor into their power growth rate?

[SaiyanBruteNAPPA]

I brought this up on another dbz site so I thought I ask you guys here about it, Okay, lets say you have two saiyans one born of elite status and one born of low class. Track their power level until age 30, and give both saiyans the same exact conditions for building their power level (Ex. they can only train in a room with a gravity of 100 for 8 hrs a day). At age 30 which saiyan will have the higher power level or will they be equal in power level and why?


Personally I feel that a saiyan birth status does determine a saiyan ki growth rate. Look at vegeta and nappa for example. Nappa was much older than him, and lived a large chunk of his life in saiyan culture which means he grew up on planet vegeta 10x gravity longer than vegeta, and has been pirating planets longer than vegeta too, so he probably was in more battles overall but even still vegeta naturally surpass's nappa by a lot (18k vs 7k)because in the end vegeta is just genetically superior to Nappa. I like to think of it like a Basket Ball player born with top tier athleticism like lebron james vs a guy with normal athleticism but trains just as hard if not harder. In the end, nature, in this case offers more advantages than nurture.

Don't get me wrong if a low class saiyan is given better training conditions he can surpass any top tier class since it seems all saiyans love to train, and battle equally. I can conclude that a saiyan no matter what class he is born with will train as hard as a saiyan from a higher class. This case only seems to fail with half bloods, but since I like to think of myself as a saiyan lore professor half bloods aren't real saiyans, to me at least.

so in the end, Nappa > Goku

[Kaboom]

The series does talk about how Saiyan babies have their power measured after birth and their potential thusly judged as a result. If later examples like Goten and Trunks are any indication, then high or low battle power — by Saiyan standards anyway — must be something that runs in their families. So the ones that are strong at birth likely continue to have strong kids themselves, and the same goes for the not-as-strong ones. So the classes would more likely be determined by strength than vice-versa. But as we know, if a Saiyan manages to get strong enough, he can be "promoted" to a higher caste, and if that strength is passed on to their kids, then they'd stay there.

That's just the way I've come to view and understand the whole thing, anyway.

[Pantalones]

Assuming all Saiyans are living in normal Saiyan conditions and don't get lucky with near-death boosts multiple times throughout their lives, then yeah, a Saiyan's class is a pretty fair predictor of how strong they'll end up compared to other Saiyans in the same situation.

However... once near-death boosts and unusual training get factored in, I don't think it'd be so consistent. I mean, Goku... low class, power level 2 at birth, sent away at a young age, and only spent one year (plus however long he was on Planet Vegeta before being sent off) in 10x gravity rather than the usual "most of their life" of other Saiyans... still ends up way ahead of Vegeta for most of the series starting with the Freeza saga, and usually about evenly matched with him in the parts where he isn't ahead. Also Bardock, going by the special at least, ended up getting way out of the range of "normal low-class Saiyan" thanks to near-death boosts. I don't think the power that's drawn out by the near-death boosts is necessarily a match to the power they have before, or especially not the power they were born with--some elites could have puny amounts of dormant power and barely get stronger even if they do survive a lot, some low-class Saiyans could have a ton of it and get many times stronger with a single boost.

[BlackMagick]

I'd like to think that a Saiyan's growth would vary, depending on status. But that's not to say that classification necessarily dictates how strong a Saiyan could get. I mean, even though Goku is considered a low-class warrior, he ended up becoming the strongest Saiyan to ever exist (at least to our knowledge). But of course, if the Saiyan race was still around and Goku lived among them with his disgustingly high power level, then I believe that he would get a promotion in rank. Like Kaboom was saying, the series implies that a Saiyan's status can be promoted or at least, one's strength is an indicator on what class a Saiyan should be categorized. In the case of Burdock, he was almost classified as an elite but he just missed the cut with his power level slightly below 10,000, so he is instead grouped with the higher ranked low-class warriors. So overall, I'd say that an elite warrior would see more of an increase than a low-class, because of natural talent in genetics. That whole nature vs nurture is a strong argument in this discussion. But of course, after seeing Goku's growth throughout Dragon Ball, one could argue the opposite. It's really a matter of what actually determines whether a warrior is low-class or an elite.

[SaiyanBruteNAPPA]

Assuming all Saiyans are living in normal Saiyan conditions and don't get lucky with near-death boosts multiple times throughout their lives, then yeah, a Saiyan's class is a pretty fair predictor of how strong they'll end up compared to other Saiyans in the same situation.

However... once near-death boosts and unusual training get factored in, I don't think it'd be so consistent. I mean, Goku... low class, power level 2 at birth, sent away at a young age, and only spent one year (plus however long he was on Planet Vegeta before being sent off) in 10x gravity rather than the usual "most of their life" of other Saiyans... still ends up way ahead of Vegeta for most of the series starting with the Freeza saga, and usually about evenly matched with him in the parts where he isn't ahead. Also Bardock, going by the special at least, ended up getting way out of the range of "normal low-class Saiyan" thanks to near-death boosts. I don't think the power that's drawn out by the near-death boosts is necessarily a match to the power they have before, or especially not the power they were born with--some elites could have puny amounts of dormant power and barely get stronger even if they do survive a lot, some low-class Saiyans could have a ton of it and get many times stronger with a single boost.

I pretty much have the same view on this subject as you, so using this logic I feel we or I can conclude that KI growth-rate must be a tangible genetic trait that varies among saiyans, since it(Ki-growth rate) is the only thing that can explain or account for Saiyans class's being able to determine/predict how saiyans PL will end up when they are all living in shared conditions( training, battling, etc), Would you agree?

Keeping this in mind isn't it pretty safe to say that Low class saiyans MUST naturally gain KI slower in common conditions with elite, or super elite saiyans, so than shouldn't I be able to conclude that the common belief that Goku was naturally more talented than Vegeta(or Nappa ) is actually false, and if Goku trained on earth instead of in otherworld after the battle with Raditz he would of been killed easily by the hands of Nappa???