The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread
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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread
Ask Toriyama. He's the one who made Vegetto not realize that he would beat Boo so easily until after the fact. Again, your argument is ridiculous.DBZGTKOSDH wrote: And why wouldn't he instantly realize his power? This doesn't make any sense.
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Its perfectly normal for a being, in its first minutes of existence, to not fully realize the extent of his powers because he is still getting used to being... well... himself.hleV wrote:Ask Toriyama. He's the one who made Vegetto not realize that he would beat Boo so easily until after the fact. Again, your argument is ridiculous.DBZGTKOSDH wrote: And why wouldn't he instantly realize his power? This doesn't make any sense.
Not to mention that he is made of the knowledge of Goku and Vegeta and they had no way to know that their fusion would be that powerful.
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Janemba vs Gohan Buu
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I'm going to give it to Gohan-absorbed Boo. The two are on-par in raw power, but I don't think Janemba's going to have any reliable way to completely eradicate Boo and win the fight. Janemba's the one more likely to get worn down and beaten in the end.Bullza wrote:Janemba vs Gohan Buu
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Seeing as Janemba got trounced when Goku went SSJ3 then proceeded to beat SSJ3 Goku when he became Super Janemba, id say Buuhan would obliterate Janemba. Going by Gotenks and the difference of SSJ1 to SSJ3, Gohan at the least should be ten times stronger than his SSJ3 dad and was trouncing Super Buu when SSJ3 Goku and SSJ2 Vegeta would have done nothing to him. Now that Buuhan has his own power, Gohan's, the boys's, and Piccolo's, Janemba has no chance.Bullza wrote:Janemba vs Gohan Buu
Perhaps if it was plain Super Buu it would be more even.
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Seeing as how Toei thinks Janemba is the strongest movie villain and Hirudegarn easily beat Gohan and Gotenks, coupled with his strange abilities, Janemba could have a chance, even though I'd still give the edge to Gohan Buu. However, seeing as how Toei bases their statement off of Super Saiyan 3 Goku's strength, which is different in the anime and in the manga, I wouldn't trust it much. Janemba got hit by Goku, something I highly doubt Gotenks or Gohan Buu would. So, Buu is victorious.Bullza wrote:Janemba vs Gohan Buu
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Boo wins, easily. He is far too strong for Janenba.Bullza wrote:Janemba vs Gohan Buu
Toriyama never even hinted that base Vegetto could one-shot Boo, what are you talking about?hleV wrote:Ask Toriyama. He's the one who made Vegetto not realize that he would beat Boo so easily until after the fact. Again, your argument is ridiculous.DBZGTKOSDH wrote: And why wouldn't he instantly realize his power? This doesn't make any sense.
James Teal (Animerica 1996) wrote:When you think about it, there are a number of similarities between the Chinese-inspired Son Goku and that most American of superhero icons, Superman. Both are aliens sent to Earth shortly after birth to escape the destruction of their homeworlds; both possess super-strength, flight, super-speed, heightened senses and the ability to cast energy blasts. But the crucial difference between them lies not only in how they view the world, but in how the world views them.
Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.
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I said nothing about base Vegetto.
Vegetto didn't realize his power, as evidenced in the manga. You're asking me why. Why would I know/care and what does this have to do with anything? Ask Toriyama, he's the one who made the manga. I'm just going by the facts, not trying to rationalize them.
Vegetto didn't realize his power, as evidenced in the manga. You're asking me why. Why would I know/care and what does this have to do with anything? Ask Toriyama, he's the one who made the manga. I'm just going by the facts, not trying to rationalize them.
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And the fact is, only SS Vegetto is shown to be far above Boo. The fact is, SEG says nowhere that the Vegetto's power up was as if the 2 battle powers were multiplied. This is what you assume.
Anyway, I'm done with this.
Anyway, I'm done with this.
James Teal (Animerica 1996) wrote:When you think about it, there are a number of similarities between the Chinese-inspired Son Goku and that most American of superhero icons, Superman. Both are aliens sent to Earth shortly after birth to escape the destruction of their homeworlds; both possess super-strength, flight, super-speed, heightened senses and the ability to cast energy blasts. But the crucial difference between them lies not only in how they view the world, but in how the world views them.
Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.
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Wait do you mean Jamemba as in the the big fat yellow Janemba or Super Janemba.Bullza wrote:Janemba vs Gohan Buu
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Buuhan one-shots Janemba. So would Buutenks. Actually, so would Super Buu.
The Monkey King wrote:It was actually Beerus disguised as Zarbon #StayWokeRandomGuy96 wrote:He's probably referring to the Bardock special. Zarbon was the one who first recommended destroying Planet Vegeta because the saiyans were rapidly growing in strength.dbgtFO wrote: Please elaborate as I do not know what you mean by "pushing Vegeta's destruction"
Herms wrote:The fact that the ridiculous power inflation is presented so earnestly makes me just roll my eyes and snicker. Like with Freeza, where he starts off over 10 times stronger than all his henchmen except Ginyu (because...well, just because), then we find out he can transform and get even more powerful, and then he reveals he can transform two more times, before finally coming out with the fact that he hasn't even been using anywhere near 50% of his power. Oh, and he can survive in the vacuum of space. All this stuff is just presented as the way Freeza is, without even an attempt at rationalizing it, yet the tone dictates we're supposed to take all this silly grasping at straws as thrilling danger. So I guess I don't really take the power inflation in the Boo arc seriously, but I don't take the power inflation in earlier arcs seriously either, so there's no net loss of seriousness. I think a silly story presented as serious is harder to accept than a silly story presented as silly.
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Bojack and crew VS Movie 8 Broly.
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Bojack alone is probably enough, but he wouldn't win easily. But with the others to help him, poor Broli will get bullied.KentalSSJ6 wrote:Bojack and crew VS Movie 8 Broly.
James Teal (Animerica 1996) wrote:When you think about it, there are a number of similarities between the Chinese-inspired Son Goku and that most American of superhero icons, Superman. Both are aliens sent to Earth shortly after birth to escape the destruction of their homeworlds; both possess super-strength, flight, super-speed, heightened senses and the ability to cast energy blasts. But the crucial difference between them lies not only in how they view the world, but in how the world views them.
Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.
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Bojack alone easily handles Broly.
The Monkey King wrote:It was actually Beerus disguised as Zarbon #StayWokeRandomGuy96 wrote:He's probably referring to the Bardock special. Zarbon was the one who first recommended destroying Planet Vegeta because the saiyans were rapidly growing in strength.dbgtFO wrote: Please elaborate as I do not know what you mean by "pushing Vegeta's destruction"
Herms wrote:The fact that the ridiculous power inflation is presented so earnestly makes me just roll my eyes and snicker. Like with Freeza, where he starts off over 10 times stronger than all his henchmen except Ginyu (because...well, just because), then we find out he can transform and get even more powerful, and then he reveals he can transform two more times, before finally coming out with the fact that he hasn't even been using anywhere near 50% of his power. Oh, and he can survive in the vacuum of space. All this stuff is just presented as the way Freeza is, without even an attempt at rationalizing it, yet the tone dictates we're supposed to take all this silly grasping at straws as thrilling danger. So I guess I don't really take the power inflation in the Boo arc seriously, but I don't take the power inflation in earlier arcs seriously either, so there's no net loss of seriousness. I think a silly story presented as serious is harder to accept than a silly story presented as silly.
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Yes. Base Vegetto never even fought Boo.DBZGTKOSDH wrote:And the fact is, only SS Vegetto is shown to be far above Boo.
It does say that. The sentence describing Vegetto directly compares him to BPxBP, contrary to your beliefs. That is not what I assume, that is how one is to interpret a simple statement as that. I'm completely fine with you believing (for some unknown reason) otherwise, though, so take care.DBZGTKOSDH wrote:The fact is, SEG says nowhere that the Vegetto's power up was as if the 2 battle powers were multiplied. This is what you assume.
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You know I've always considered it the most simple just to have the later villain be stronger than the previous threat. That's why I've always considered it nonsense that Janemba would be stronger than Hildegarn as stated on that defunct Toei website.KentalSSJ6 wrote:Bojack and crew VS Movie 8 Broly.
So for Bojack and crew against Broly, I have to go with Bojack and crew. I even think Bojack would not need to transform to beat Broly, since he has the help of his crew, who could possibly paralyze him.
Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread
Even if it were one-on-one, Bojack isn't just most likely at least a little stronger than Broli, but he's definitely smarter and more skilled too. Broli might have a minor defense advantage because of how much of a friggin' tank he is in his LSS state, but I'm sure Bojack would be able to overcome it. Add in the backup from the rest of his crew (especially with their constricting and power-lowering energy strings technique), and their victory is essentially 100% assured.KentalSSJ6 wrote:Bojack and crew VS Movie 8 Broly.
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Lets bump it up to Movie 10 Broly then who according to you is > SSJ2 Goku who is > SSJ2 Cell Saga Gohan who is </= SP Cell.Kaboom wrote:Even if it were one-on-one, Bojack isn't just most likely at least a little stronger than Broli, but he's definitely smarter and more skilled too. Broli might have a minor defense advantage because of how much of a friggin' tank he is in his LSS state, but I'm sure Bojack would be able to overcome it. Add in the backup from the rest of his crew (especially with their constricting and power-lowering energy strings technique), and their victory is essentially 100% assured.KentalSSJ6 wrote:Bojack and crew VS Movie 8 Broly.
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I meant Super Janemba.Wait do you mean Jamemba as in the the big fat yellow Janemba or Super Janemba.






