Do U hate it when DBZ symbolizes rock/metal in oth.countries

[Valerius Dover]

I honestly think it would've been interesting to have a rescore for DB. Than we'd have two scores for the entire franchise!
Of course, I realize that wouldn't be optimal back then, when the rescores were the only option in English.

As you may know, I don't have anything against rescores as a concept, it just depends on whether it's good or not. As for what DBZ symbolizes for me.....it's hard to say. After seeing DB, I started DBZ (deliberately selecting the US score) and noticed how different it was compared to the first series. More serious, more dark, however less memorable. I still liked it, however. Then, Episode 68 hit, and there's rock and synth everywhere, which I also like a lot. So, DB in general doesn't really have one symbolic sound for me because of that. You could put anything in it, now.

[theoriginalbilis]

I honestly think it would've been interesting to have a rescore for DB. Than we'd have two scores for the entire franchise!

Yay. It would result in an even more needlessly divided and fragmented fanbase... Whoopee.

[Valerius Dover]

I honestly think it would've been interesting to have a rescore for DB. Than we'd have two scores for the entire franchise!

Yay. It would result in an even more needlessly divided and fragmented fanbase... Whoopee.

I wouldn't want to wish that upon the fans of course. It just slightly bothers me that it's the only part of the series with only one score. Maybe if they do a Kai.......but I'll eat my hat with a sundae when that happens.

[theoriginalbilis]

I honestly think it would've been interesting to have a rescore for DB. Than we'd have two scores for the entire franchise!

Yay. It would result in an even more needlessly divided and fragmented fanbase... Whoopee.

I wouldn't want to wish that upon the fans of course. It just slightly bothers me that it's the only part of the series with only one score. Maybe if they do a Kai.......but I'll eat my hat with a sundae when that happens.

We actually did get a replacement score for original DB. It was produced for the short-lived FUNimation/BLT Productions dub of Dragon Ball that aired around 1995-1996. You'd have to buy the CD though the get the music, because I haven't found any online sources for the music.

Dragon Ball: Original USA TV Soundtrack Recording:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dragon_Bal ... _Recording

[EXBadguy]

May i ask... Why did you start the discussion topic if you were worried about others posting dissenting opinions?

Lol, I'm not worried at all. I wanted to start a topic like this cuz people here including other communities over-worship Kikuchi's music(much as barking at Namco to put them in the international versions of the games) and bash other composers. Another reason is that I'm SHOCKED that people in the interwebz didn't like the rock music in the DBZ movies when it actually nailed it pretty well, for the fights. I knew I'd find some here, at least one complaining about it on this thread. No offense.

Rock and Heavy Metal music doesn't fit for DB, but it SURE does fit for DBZ, cuz as Valerius Dover said, DBZ took a different tone(which I think pushed 10-15% of the fans away judging by some youtube comments and some other interwebz).

[Valerius Dover]

We actually did get a replacement score for original DB. It was produced for the short-lived FUNimation/BLT Productions dub of Dragon Ball that aired around 1995-1996. You'd have to buy the CD though the get the music, because I haven't found any online sources for the music.

Dragon Ball: Original USA TV Soundtrack Recording:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dragon_Bal ... _Recording

I knew about that one, but I meant one covering the entire series. Episodes 14-153 have no rescore. Actually, you can find these online. I listened to them while doing homework the other day. I've seen a few scenes as well. It's fairly decent, if not a little cheesy. I like it better than the stuff 4Kids comes up with for all their shows, but I don't think it's on the same level as the uncut DBZ replacement scores. I dig that recap theme, though.

[theoriginalbilis]

I wanted to start a topic like this cuz people here including other communities over-worship Kikuchi's music(much as barking at Namco to put them in the international versions of the games) and bash other composers. Another reason is that I'm SHOCKED that people in the interwebz didn't like the rock music in the DBZ movies when it actually nailed it pretty well, for the fights.

That's all pure opinion on your part. Just because you say that the rock/metal soundtrack "nailed it" for DBZ doesn't make that a fact. Sure, you can say that it fits the series perfectly, but that doesn't mean it's an absolute. It fits DBZ to you and to a significant amount of other fans... but that's about it. That's like saying that steak or ice cream is the perfect food. The effect of a musical score on a person on purely subjective. It's like comedy: what makes you laugh makes you laugh; what doesn't, doesn't.

And I wouldn't make it a habit shocked by other people having a different opinion than you; that's the internet. Everybody's right...

[Valerius Dover]

^Agree with you there. I'm by no means implying that one is better than the other. I have yet to experience the original, since I'm still watching the dub, but if it's anything like the music in Dragon Ball it's got to be amazing. I still enjoy the rescore, however.

[EXBadguy]

I wanted to start a topic like this cuz people here including other communities over-worship Kikuchi's music(much as barking at Namco to put them in the international versions of the games) and bash other composers. Another reason is that I'm SHOCKED that people in the interwebz didn't like the rock music in the DBZ movies when it actually nailed it pretty well, for the fights.

That's all pure opinion on your part. Just because you say that the rock/metal soundtrack "nailed it" for DBZ doesn't make that a fact. Sure, you can say that it fits the series perfectly, but that doesn't mean it's an absolute. It fits DBZ to you and to a significant amount of other fans... but that's about it. That's like saying that steak or ice cream is the perfect food. The effect of a musical score on a person on purely subjective. It's like comedy: what makes you laugh makes you laugh; what doesn't, doesn't.

And I wouldn't make it a habit shocked by other people having a different opinion than you; that's the internet. Everybody's right...

Like I said again, I'm not offended by anyone's opinion at all. For me, I just hate Boringsuke Kikuchi's music sometimes. I'll admit, it fitted for DB, but IMO, NOT for DBZ! With all the fast action, large beams and projectiles, and over the top stylish villains, I expect to hear either crazy Guilty Gear rock music, or a good combination of orchestra and rock(which Yammamoto nailed it at), not a bunch of old generic half-ass polka half-ass tambourine and horns that plays repetitively every 5 episodes.

I know this is my opinion and all, but I just don't like Kikuchi's music in Z, and I'm personally glad things were the way it was in the international versions of the games, even though some(half of BT3 and half of RB2 songs) didn't have a DBZ feel.

[VegettoEX]

For me, I just hate Boringsuke Kikuchi's music sometimes.

... not a bunch of old generic half-ass polka half-ass tambourine and horns that plays repetitively every 5 episodes.

I don't know how or why you expect anyone to engage with you in a serious discussion about the subject matter if you're going to make posts like this. There's clearly nothing to be gained here; you've already made up your mind.

I guess you're as shocked that people like Kikuchi's music as people my age were when fans who grew up on Toonami started coming online to exclaim their enjoyment of the replacement score. There's a way to have that conversation and navigate those differences of opinion, and you're not doing so.

[EXBadguy]

It's just that people just love to overpraise Kikuchi too much. Now I know I'm starting to overpraise the rock songs too much, but I'm just proving a point. I just wanna know why the rock/metal thing is detrimental to DBZ when it actually took a different tone. But I apologize for that. BTW VegettoEX, do you hate it when DBZ symbolizes rock in other areas?

[El Diabeetus]

I see nothing wrong with not wanting replacement scores in the games, that's why people usually want Kikuchi's music for those games. Tenkaichi/Blast/Battle of Z, they all originally had Kikuchi's music and it was replaced. It's also supposed to play up the 'You're playing the show' aspect in those games. Replacement music shouldn't be a thing in 2014 anymore.

I absolutely hate the Westwood dub score, indifferent to Nathan Johnson's/Menza's/Levy's. Enjoy some tracks from the Falcouner Prod. score. Yamamoto was good and I love most of Sumitomo's Battle of Gods score. Don't think the metal/rock always fits it. At times it does, but DBZ is more than just RAAH HARDCORE FIGHTING. Changing the show's score changes the tone even more than altering the script too heavily.

[Valerius Dover]

^Wait, replacement scores are still a thing? I know there's Pokemon and Yu-Gi-Oh, the former being a partial replacement, but I had no idea this actually happened outside those two examples. As late as Battle of Z? Could you shed some more light on game replacement scores? I'm not very familiar with the games. As far as I know, Funi hasn't done an anime replacement score since they finished the other Z movies in 2006.

[El Diabeetus]

^Wait, replacement scores are still a thing? I know there's Pokemon and Yu-Gi-Oh, the former being a partial replacement, but I had no idea this actually happened outside those two examples. As late as Battle of Z? Could you shed some more light on game replacement scores? I'm not very familiar with the games. As far as I know, Funi hasn't done an anime replacement score since they finished the other Z movies in 2006.

It's rare now, but occasionally happens. Usually in TV only dubs, like Pokémon as you pointed out. Apparently the reason the Kikuchi score is never used in games it was originally supposed to be in is, apparently the AB Groupe owns the music outside of Japan and charges a high amount to have it used. Not 100% sure, but I remember that rumor going around a while back. Don't think FUNimation has any part in the music choice for the video games.

[Valerius Dover]

^Wait, replacement scores are still a thing? I know there's Pokemon and Yu-Gi-Oh, the former being a partial replacement, but I had no idea this actually happened outside those two examples. As late as Battle of Z? Could you shed some more light on game replacement scores? I'm not very familiar with the games. As far as I know, Funi hasn't done an anime replacement score since they finished the other Z movies in 2006.

It's rare now, but occasionally happens. Usually in TV only dubs, like Pokémon as you pointed out. Apparently the reason the Kikuchi score is never used in games it was originally supposed to be in is, apparently the AB Groupe owns the music outside of Japan and charges a high amount to have it used. Not 100% sure, but I remember that rumor going around for a while.

If it's copyright reasons, it's probably JASRAC. They're probably some of the most unreasonable business trolls ever. They were cited in an interview as the reason TPCI could only use a certain amount of the original score. They usually limit music that comes out of Japan.

[El Diabeetus]

I believe that as a potential reason too. But in the Pokémon example it seems a little convienient, when it seems like just a continuation of 4Kids' habits. Then again, they probably didn't feel like buying rights for all of the music there.

Kinda reminds me of the Z dub, decent at best and has some pronuniciation issues. Like Saiyan and Kanto both being pronounced incorrectly in their respective series' dub. But, that probably isn't exactly on topic, haha.

[EXBadguy]

Changing the show's score changes the tone.

Perhaps I'll say this again, DBZ already had a different tone. Unless you thought that the tone wasn't much different from DB.

[VegettoEX]

Perhaps I'll say this again, DBZ already had a different tone. Unless you thought that the tone wasn't much different from DB.

Yes, and the score that was already there with the show changed along with it, much as it did over the course of episode 1 to 153 of the first TV series.

[Valerius Dover]

All this really just boils down to opinion. It all comes down to preference. For my part, I like enjoying a series in a bunch of different ways if I can, and DB happens to be pretty unique in this area. Have you actually watched DBZ with the original score? I haven't yet, but will when I get to Kai. I really don't see how the US scores have any clear universal advantage. The only major advantage I can see is the use of character themes and special themes for important moments. They did miss a few moments, such as Gohan's Super Saiyan 2 transformation (but they made up for that in the next episode) but overall the important moments are handled effectively with a larger batch of new music. Other than that, I'd say it's all opinions.