Why didn't ASSJ Trunks just destroy Imperfect Cell

[AvatarReiko]

After Cell discovered 18, Trunks stalled for time and repeatedly attacked Cell relentlessly. What I don't understand is, why he didn't just destroy cell instead of punching him. Trunks was in his ASSJ form and was just as strong as Vegeta, so he should have ben able to destroy Cell with ease, considering the power gap between Cell & Vegeta. Trunks is beating Cell black and blue but Cell is somehow able to shrug of all Trunks' attacks and shows no signs of being hurt.

Even if Trunks just blasted a hole in cell, to the point where'd have to regenerate, it would have given 18 & Krillin sufficient time to escape as regeneration takes time.

Vegeta ASSJ>~Trunks ASSJ>>>Imperfect Cell>>Vegeta SSJ (Unless I am mistaken)

Thoughts?

[VegettoEX]

It needs to be clarified, because as someone who didn't watch FUNimation's English dub that closely, I have no idea what "ASSJ" refers to...

• There's "Super Saiyan"
• There's "Super Saiyan Grade II" (which is the one Vegeta used, Trunks can use, and Goku showed off in the Room of Spirit and Time)
• There's "Super Saiyan Grade III" (which is the one Trunks mainly used and ultimately realized his dad probably didn't use for a reason if he was aware of it, and Goku also showed off in the Room of Spirit and Time)

Old fan terminology from Curtis Hoffman gave us "USSJ" for Grade II and, by extension, "USSJ2" for Grade III.

I know FUNimation's dub tosses the word "ascended" around like it's going out of style, so do they actually differentiate Grade II and Grade III somehow?

[sintzu]

Cause Vegeta wanted to kill cell so trunks didn't try to out of respect for him and his pride .

[Doctor.]

It needs to be clarified, because as someone who didn't watch FUNimation's English dub that closely, I have no idea what "ASSJ" refers to...

• There's "Super Saiyan"
• There's "Super Saiyan Grade II" (which is the one Vegeta used, Trunks can use, and Goku showed off in the Room of Spirit and Time)
• There's "Super Saiyan Grade III" (which is the one Trunks mainly used and ultimately realized his dad probably didn't use for a reason if he was aware of it, and Goku also showed off in the Room of Spirit and Time)

Old fan terminology from Curtis Hoffman gave us "USSJ" for Grade II and, by extension, "USSJ2" for Grade III.

I know FUNimation's dub tosses the word "ascended" around like it's going out of style, so do they actually differentiate Grade II and Grade III somehow?

Ascended Super Saiyan refers to Grade II.
Ultra Super Saiyan refers to Grade III.

On-topic, I don't recall Trunks ever fighting Semi-Perfect Cell. Was it a filler scene?

[sintzu]

I don't recall Trunks ever fighting Semi-Perfect Cell. Was it a filler scene?

He was trying to keep him from getting to #18 which i wouldn't call a fight .

[Low Tone G]

First of all, Trunks has never fought Imperfect Cell. Only Kamiccolo has fought Imperfect Cell, and #17 before Cell manage to absorb him. But Trunks could have handle Semi-Perfect Cell too, but he trusted his father as he ultimately kills him, but Vegeta decided to let Cell become Perfect.

[BlazingFiddlesticks]

I know FUNimation's dub tosses the word "ascended" around like it's going out of style, so do they actually differentiate Grade II and Grade III somehow?

ASSJ is indeed the bilingual bastardization that is "Ascended Super Saiyai-jin" (spelling?)

The dub does not distinguish Grades 2 and 3 in any special way; funny part is is the phrase "Ascended" used right up to the point where Goku introduces the phrase "Super Saiyan 2" (which is then promptly used by no one ever again in any language), to the point where Krillin asks "He's crazy, I mean, what would that make him, "double" ascended?"

[Kaboom]

The word "ascended" always just seemed to be the dub's blanket term for whenever someone was said to "go beyond Super Saiyan" or "be a Super-Super Saiyan" or whatever was used in lieu of real names for the forms in the series. Unfortunately it's been adopted as a fan-term for the Grades forms themselves while the ACTUAL names for them get passed over. I'm actually curious if FUNi did things differently for the new Kai dub, since I haven't seen much of the Androids-Cell arc.

Anyway, for the original question... I'd have to double-check, but wasn't Trunks beating up Stage-2 Cell only in the anime? I don't recall him doing anything in the manga but blocking him when Vegeta tried to let him go.

[KentalSSJ6]

The word "ascended" always just seemed to be the dub's blanket term for whenever someone was said to "go beyond Super Saiyan" or "be a Super-Super Saiyan" or whatever was used in lieu of real names for the forms in the series. Unfortunately it's been adopted as a fan-term for the Grades forms themselves while the ACTUAL names for them get passed over. I'm actually curious if FUNi did things differently for the new Kai dub, since I haven't seen much of the Androids-Cell arc.

Anyway, for the original question... I'd have to double-check, but wasn't Trunks beating up Stage-2 Cell only in the anime? I don't recall him doing anything in the manga but blocking him when Vegeta tried to let him go.

In Kai I just think Vegeta refers himself as Super Vegeta in Grade 2. My memory is foggy on the matter but I think the whole Ascended Saiyan term is left out. Ill update with a edit when I find out.

[Low Tone G]

The word "ascended" always just seemed to be the dub's blanket term for whenever someone was said to "go beyond Super Saiyan" or "be a Super-Super Saiyan" or whatever was used in lieu of real names for the forms in the series. Unfortunately it's been adopted as a fan-term for the Grades forms themselves while the ACTUAL names for them get passed over. I'm actually curious if FUNi did things differently for the new Kai dub, since I haven't seen much of the Androids-Cell arc.

Anyway, for the original question... I'd have to double-check, but wasn't Trunks beating up Stage-2 Cell only in the anime? I don't recall him doing anything in the manga but blocking him when Vegeta tried to let him go.

I'd rather see Rage Vegeta as a Super-Super Saiyan, than the Super Saiyan Grade 2 to be that form.

[BlazingFiddlesticks]

To be fair, if the term "Grade" is literally confined to Guidebooks, its patently esoteric material; turn-of-the-century Funimation or dub fans would have no way of knowing about it.

[VegettoEX]

To be fair, if the term "Grade" is literally confined to Guidebooks, its patently esoteric material; turn-of-the-century Funimation or dub fans would have no way of knowing about it.

It both is and isn't.

In the manga itself (and by extension the anime), Goku describes them as "ichi-dankai no henshin" or "transformations of the first stage". It's when you get to the guide books that you get more solidified, retroactive, proper names of "sūpā saiya-jin dai ni dankai" and "sūpā saiya-jin dai san dankai".

So I suppose FUNimation was free to make up their own independent names for the individual grade forms, but as has been noted, they use various terms haphazardly to refer to a bunch of different stuff and don't actually have proper, individualized names for Grades II and III.

At least in Japanese they leave it vague by just saying dumb stuff like, "the stage of Super Saiyan beyond Super Saiyan" .

(And I'm second-guessing myself on what Trunks might have referred to them as in the dialog... Did he name the Grade forms right there himself? Have to check...)

[dbgtFO]

To be fair, if the term "Grade" is literally confined to Guidebooks, its patently esoteric material; turn-of-the-century Funimation or dub fans would have no way of knowing about it.

I think the anime had some terms the dub could have used.
I recall the transformation guide on this site saying anime Goku named the two bulky forms.
Damn, too slow.

[TrunksTrevelyan0064]

On another note regarding Trunks versus Cell, when Trunks went back to his own time and destroyed #17 and #18, why did he then WAIT several years for Cell to show up? By this point he knew where Gero's lab was. He could have just gone over and destroyed Cell there.

[BlazingFiddlesticks]

Checked a few dub episodes just now. There's "Super Vegeta" and Ascended.

[Kaboom]

By this point he knew where Gero's lab was. He could have just gone over and destroyed Cell there.

Maybe he did go to the lab, but Cell was possibly already released and roaming around absorbing people by then. With Cell suppressing himself, so many people already having been killed by the Androids, and Earth's communications probably in shambles, there was likely no good way for Trunks to track Cell down other than to wait for the day when Cell would attack him.

[AvatarReiko]

An even better Question is, whether or not Trunks ended up returning to the past to inform his friends of his victory over the androids and Cell. We see him prepping the time machine with Bulma before cell appeared, but never saw him complete the trip.