Anyone like Brian Drummond (Ocean) as Vegeta?

Snail · Post by **Snail** » Tue Sep 19, 2006 8:47 pm

Brian Drummond's interpretation of Vegeta's voice was awesome, I always had a problem with how he was a little too sinister at times, that it climbs up to a point where I'd call it...creepy.

His performance in the U.K. dub continued to get better and better as the episodes went on. I also get the feeling he started to stray further and further away from the more sinister side of his Vegeta voice too, from what I've noticed.

So in conclusion, yes, Brian Drummond's interpretation of Vegeta's voice is great, but to me, I've grown to like Chris Sabat's Vegeta just a few levels more.

And on a side note, the U.K. dub music is just terrible, it ruined the dub for me, it was all just recycled junk from other anime, e.g: Monster Ranchers, and various other shows. The only treat about the U.K. dub is that you get to listen to the few returning voice actors from the original Ocean dub.

BlueSky · Post by **Kaboom** » Tue Sep 19, 2006 8:49 pm

Maphisto86 wrote:It's really jut a different interpretation of a single character by different actors.... think "James Bond" . Ryo Horikawa is definitley the "Sean Connery" of Vegeta however...

And who doesn't like Sean Connery?

Anyhoo, to add to the subject, I honestly like Chris Sabat's Vegeta better. Not only is he the Vegeta I grew into DbZ with, but his version seems to show Vegeta as more sophisticated and proud, which, unless I'm mistaken, is Vegeta's character, than Mr. Drummond's.

(Still, I'll gladly admit Drummond sure knew what he was doing by the Buu saga)

Gokuden553 · Post by **Gokuden553** » Tue Sep 19, 2006 8:51 pm

Li'l Lemmy wrote:I knew Ocean had continued with their own version of the dub, but I never thought I'd actually get to hear anything beyond Namek. What a glorious/horrible thing YouTube can be! If only for nostalgia's sake, I wish they would release this version on DVD. Isn't there one company in the UK that'll do that?!

That's exactually what I wished for, but since the Ocean Group DBZ dub DVD's were never releaced here... I had no other choice but to import Dragon Box Z disks 1-11 from Japan to see what I missed out on watching the Saiyan and Namek Sagas on T.V

Now that I've seen the first 66 Japanese DBZ episodes in their original remastered format, I haven't bought anyothers since then... and I'm not planning to anytime soon

Mayuri Furiza Kurotsuchi · Post by **Mayuri Furiza Kurotsuchi** » Tue Sep 19, 2006 10:09 pm

I actually prefer Christopher Sabat, but that's probably just because that was the voice that I heard through out the series, and I just got used to it.

Super Sonic · Post by **Super Sonic** » Tue Sep 19, 2006 10:11 pm

I like his Vegeta, but from the clips I've seen of the Ocean Buu saga that was in Canada and England, he doesn't sound so great. He sounded better in the first two seasons. Think he just wasn't directed as well.

Mayuri Furiza Kurotsuchi · Post by **Mayuri Furiza Kurotsuchi** » Tue Sep 19, 2006 10:17 pm

Super Sonic wrote:I like his Vegeta, but from the clips I've seen of the Ocean Buu saga that was in Canada and England, he doesn't sound so great. He sounded better in the first two seasons. Think he just wasn't directed as well.

I feel the same way about Christopher Sabat. His voice just get's worse and worse. It was really good during the Buu saga, but since then, it's just gotten worse, and worse, almost to the point where it's too different for me to tell that it's the same guy. If you compare his Buu saga work to Movies 12 and 13, you'll know what I mean.

Saiyan · Post by **Saiyan** » Tue Sep 19, 2006 10:19 pm

I liked Drummond's voice for the early DBZ sagas, when he worked for Funimation for that short time...but when he moved to the UK dub...I don't really think his voice fit as well as Sabat's...

Here's a dub comparison clip. It comes with three clips, the first being the original Japanese, the second being Funimation's dub, and third being the Ocean cast UK dub...

http://youtube.com/watch?v=7PZvizDp-gw

And Gokuden553...don't complain about Funimation's script...the UK dub used the same script as Funimation...plus they cut out a lot of the original sound effects and replaced them with crappy ones, along with crappy music, and made unnecessary cuts, like the knees colliding in the video above...

I'm not trying to hate or anything..it's just that you put down Funimation so much with realizing what the Ocean dub does...

Super Sonic · Post by **Super Sonic** » Tue Sep 19, 2006 10:40 pm

Haven't looked at Movie 13 yet (darn Voltron box set), but I think Mr. Sabat's greatest was during the redubs of the Saiyan Saga and Season 2. Like his Piccolo I think his Vegeta was better when he was evil.

The Chibi Kiriyama · Post by **The Chibi Kiriyama** » Tue Sep 19, 2006 11:33 pm

To me, this clip was kind of intriguing:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ckO_EmtIc2A&NR

Found it watching the 'Vegeta's Wrath' clip. I have to say, on the topic at hand, that I'm very down the middle. On one hand Brian Drummond sounds excellent as a younger Vegeta and hitting the high-note pitches. On the other hand when I'm reading the manga or watching the anime the only person I can invision as Majin Vegeta no matter how many clips of Drummond's interpretation I see is Christopher Sabat. I find that Drummond was an excellent younger Vegeta, and that I really enjoy hearing an older Vegeta in Sabat's interpretation. I suppose it could be that I've been listening Ryo Horikawa as Vegeta for a long time and am used to the subtle transition from his voice around (for exampe) the Saiyan Saga in comparison to the Boo Saga.

LegendarySSJ7 · Post by **LegendarySSJ7** » Wed Sep 20, 2006 1:26 am

I like Brian Drummond as Vegeta a lot. Drummond knows how to get the menacing tone of Vegeta's voice right, he really felt like a prime villain - someone truly sinister, an interpretation that I happen to like a lot (yet still to an extent) pre-Season 3. I don't feel his voice falls in place well with anything past Season 2, again, I reiterate. I have to say that Sabat did a better job (sans Season 3 and 4 [4 early on]) nonwithstanding.

Though I find that Sabat as Vegeta miffs me to no end on many an occassion. Ryo was an infinitely better choice for the character (who I feel outstrips both Drummond and Sabat by quite a huge amount), to me, he is Vegeta's voice, and my favorite Dragonball Seiyuu (by far, especially odd for someone who isn't significantly afar from my least favorite characters), on a sidenote.

He works well to capture any tone of Vegeta's voice without fail - pride and what have you whilst sounding deep yet without sounding Sabat like (yet on equal footing when the phrase 'imposing' comes to mind, hence Drummond), reverting to placid tones without fail yet rich, building tones that convey all that and being able to sense the terseness of his voice just on a level of emotional intensity; that's what Vegeta's character needs, by my view. And, of course, a fantastic performance otherwise. Stemming from my opinion.

Though on the topic of hand that is Drummond, I still feel he bests Sabat if I'd have to choose one out of the two. But in regards to any performance past Season 2 (and the glancing flaws of the attributes of it prevailing) by Drummond.... eh... not so much so. Then again, most of the OCEAN VAs around the time felt that way - falling through the roof 10x, even by comparison to the FUNimation VAs IMHO (but that also leads to the trainwreck that is sound effects and BGM, that there's not much to when 'fidelity' or 'quality' comes to mind [and then the original sound effects which I find to be excellent, that the OCEAN dub didn't indulge in as a whole], that I rather not get into vast length about).

Still, I like Brian Drummond as Vegeta, enough so.

Grandmaster J · Post by **Grandmaster J** » Wed Sep 20, 2006 2:46 am

The better Vegeta voice, it is in my opinion. But they're both good. I just hated the way the voices changed right in the middle of this saga. They should've waited until after Garlic Jr. to changed everyone's voice. It would've made more sense, since they were older when Freeza returned.

And for the record...

Nappa: "What does the scouter read?"

Vegeta: "It's over 5,000!!!!!!" ::crushes scouter::

Pure awesomeness!

Maphisto86 · Post by **Maphisto86** » Wed Sep 20, 2006 2:57 am

Saiyan wrote:I liked Drummond's voice for the early DBZ sagas, when he worked for Funimation for that short time...but when he moved to the UK dub...I don't really think his voice fit as well as Sabat's...

Here's a dub comparison clip. It comes with three clips, the first being the original Japanese, the second being Funimation's dub, and third being the Ocean cast UK dub...

http://youtube.com/watch?v=7PZvizDp-gw

Once again I must say judging from that clip comparision that I like all three. As for the english dubs I can understand why they change the script a bit in order to suit the lip synching of the characters to the english voices.... although I think in both they could have let Vegeta say "K...Kakarot!(K...Kakarroto!)"

. Though I notice that Funimation adds some sound effects and that Ocean dub likes to cut bits out...

Still I like the English dubs and unlike a certain 'exilechamp1' in the comments section (otherwise known as the peanut gallery) find the battles in Dragonball appealing

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Maker777 · Post by **Maker777** » Wed Sep 20, 2006 3:13 am

I'd much rather have Chris Sabat voicing Vegeta. The other guy annoys me for some reoson. And Buu sound so awsome in the Ocean dub.

Stoney · Post by **Stoney** » Wed Sep 20, 2006 5:08 am

I prefer him. I prefer almost everyone in the ocean dub because that's what I became used to when watching the series.

Casual Matt · Post by **Casual Matt** » Wed Sep 20, 2006 8:52 am

I'm not a big fan of any DBZ dub, but kudos to the Ocean Group for having good professional voice actors.

Brian Drummond. Scott McNeil. Kirby Morrow. Etc. All awesome voice actors.

Gokuden553 · Post by **Gokuden553** » Wed Sep 20, 2006 9:05 am

Saiyan wrote:And Gokuden553...don't complain about Funimation's script...the UK dub used the same script as Funimation...plus they cut out a lot of the original sound effects and replaced them with crappy ones, along with crappy music, and made unnecessary cuts, like the knees colliding in the video above...

I'm not trying to hate or anything..it's just that you put down Funimation so much with realizing what the Ocean dub does...

Not always true, I remember Ocean cutting a few unimportant scenes out... but still I remember them retaining the ghostly music after Gohan pulls off his Kamehameha and you see a shadow of Goku behind him... Funimation removed this sound effect unlike Ocean who didn't.

MajinVejitaXV · Post by **MajinVejitaXV** » Wed Sep 20, 2006 12:40 pm

Drummond made Vejita sound psychotic, which worked well for me. It had a tinge of arrogance also. It was different from Horikawa, and yet it still made the character awesome. By the end of the Ocean run with FUNi, I felt like he had nailed it very nearly. Moments like the scene against Recoome and the "You won't escape, MY WRATH!" scene made Vejita my favorite.

Sabat, on the other hand...I came to tolerate, but never enjoy his performance. He can do other voices well, but Vejita...didn't work. It was forced, and he had a hard act to follow. I mean, replacing Brian Drummond AND Scott McNeil? Poor guy...

Drummond rocks though. I thought the Ocean dub for the UK was decent, but it did suffer badly from obviously rushed production. Brad Swaile did an AWESOME Gohan.

-Corey

Sun_Wukong · Post by **Sun_Wukong** » Wed Sep 20, 2006 2:38 pm

Chris Sabat personally made me hate every character he does. I cant stand English Vegeta, but the Ryo Horikawa Vegeta is such a fantastic character.

Gokuden553 · Post by **Gokuden553** » Wed Sep 20, 2006 2:48 pm

I always loved that echo tone in the Ocean dub when Vegeta shouted, it made him sound more evil then ever

Maphisto86 · Post by **Maphisto86** » Wed Sep 20, 2006 4:53 pm

Sun_Wukong wrote:Chris Sabat personally made me hate every character he does. I cant stand English Vegeta, but the Ryo Horikawa Vegeta is such a fantastic character.

Must resist...suicidal...urges...