Fanmanga - DB Multiverse

[rereboy]

If King Cold acted differently in U7 than he did in U18 then wouldn't that be when that universe diverged? Since U7 diverged when Nail and Guru decided to fuse all the events and characters would have been identical prior to that.

It would diverge prior to that but the events in-between wouldn't be significantly different until the arrival of Freeza on Namek.

That's actually the reason I think it's a plothole for King Cold to be that much stronger than Freeza in DBM. I would have had it where King Cold could transform but his 100% form would still remain weaker than Freeza's. That way he could still be more powerful than he was in canon and explain why he didn't bother transforming against someone who easily defeated Freeza. To make him the strongest they could say he secretly mastered the fifth form and it was slightly above Cooler's. His fights would still play out the same way in the tournament. He scares Videl into forfeiting, he defeats a relatively weak SSJ Bardock, and loses to Bra in the third round.I think that would make more sense than him potentially being more powerful than #16 in his true form but never considers transforming against Trunks. Whether that form was too difficult to control or he was suffering from some kind of virus it would still be better to risk that than going up against someone he knows is more powerful than him.

It is a plothole. That's why DBM should have a better explanation for Cold, his forms and his power.

In my opinion, your idea doesn't work very well because Cold's true form would still make him stronger. Because of that, he would logically always stand a better chance against Trunks transformed than he would without transforming, even if he wasn't stronger than Freeza. Therefore, it still wouldn't make much sense for him to not try to transform against Trunks. In fact, it doesn't even make much sense for him to travel to Earth without being in his true form if he expects to fight someone who was able to beat Freeza at his best. Going by the manga alone, the only explanation that makes perfect sense is that Cold was already in his true form while on Earth. But if we want to assume that it was only a suppression form for the purposes of a fan manga like DBM, then the story I came up with about Cold having a disease lets Cold have a true form similar to Freeza while it explains all in a logical way, expanding the background of Freeza's family.

[Pantalones]

Possibly explanation that just popped into my head: the less often a member of Freeza's race uses their true form, the less controllable it gets. We see King Cold (who's presumably way older than Freeza or Cooler and also has rarely fought since those two have become the "face" of his empire) worn out after just one big attack here, but what if the reason he didn't bother transforming against Trunks was because, after a few more years pass without him using the form for anything (like in universes where a super-powered Namek doesn't come after him), his control over it would be even worse--to the point where just transforming alone might be enough of a strain to take him out of the fight?

I mean, we already know that using the form more often = gaining more control over it (there's Cold in one of the alternate universes secretly training in 4th form to control it, and Cooler who's been going around in 4th form all the time has perfect control to the point of discovering a new power-up transformation on top of it), so what if it works the other way around too--if you neglect your 4th form it becomes steadily more and more useless? We know Freeza used his full power only rarely but he has used it before (he mentioned that his parent(s) was/were the last one(s) to see him in that form, but he's also the youngest of the family so it might not have been that long ago), and he's shown to have poor control over his 100% power. Cold probably hasn't used his 4th form for even longer (according to DBM the last known time he was in his true form was while carrying Freeza, and even then he couldn't control his power well enough to avoid unconsciously blowing stuff up around him), so if this is how they work it would make sense if his control over the form was much, much worse than Freeza's by now--he's probably been avoiding the form since Freeza was born!

Doesn't explain why he doesn't at least try transforming into his 3rd form, but... I guess the problem there is not so much "Cold didn't transform" as "DBM's power levels for Cold's forms are a little screwy (why does he need to be #16-level in 4th form?)" He could've just known that he'd still be outmatched even in his 3rd form, and since he couldn't use his 4th form reliably, tried to convince Trunks to join him (and/or trick him into giving up the sword, which he assumed was what was making him so strong) instead.

[rereboy]

As long as the transformation made him stronger, it would still be better than facing Trunks without it, even if his control over its power was very bad. Even losing control in that form and releasing his power at random, with random bursts of ki attacks and ki emissions that end up destroying Earth, would still be preferable since he can survive in space while his enemies can't. It would be a severe problem if he couldn't survive in space, but since he can, there's no problem there, its an advantage instead.

[coola]

[dbgtFO]

Cool, two pages, the special is about to end, I guess.
Damn, "darn" sounds so stupid to say

[Marco Polo]

Aha, I like that second-to-last panel. There are a lot of "gags" in DBM that are way too forced, or simply not funny, but this one makes is great after that big, serious battle.

[DarkPrince_92]

Yeah their sense of humor is questionable... dry as hell imo. Can't say I didn't enjoy this chapter. This is style is very not Dragon Ball, but it is very refreshing to see. Also... that was the quickest battle ever...

[mAcChaos]

He actually looks completely weakened. If Cold was in fighting shape then it might have been a serious battle.

[Skar]

It would diverge prior to that but the events in-between wouldn't be significantly different until the arrival of Freeza on Namek.

I don't know I think it's easier just to have Cold not transform than have him decide to play a bigger part in his empire earlier on just so he would last a little longer against Gast. I think that would mean King Cold's decision somehow influenced Nail and Guru to act differently than they did in U18. The description for U7 in the wheel on the front page would be something like:

???: see official DBM timeline
Prior to 762: King Cold doesn't develop disease that inhibits his transformations.
762: When Freeza attacked their planet for the Dragon Balls, the Nameks decided to fuse.

Going by the manga alone, the only explanation that makes perfect sense is that Cold was already in his true form while on Earth. But if we want to assume that it was only a suppression form for the purposes of a fan manga like DBM, then the story I came up with about Cold having a disease lets Cold have a true form similar to Freeza while it explains all in a logical way, expanding the background of Freeza's family.

I agree the manga probably intended for that to be King Cold's final form. If he was killed in a suppressed form then as far as I'm aware he would be the only villain in the entire series killed while not at full strength. The disease idea could be a good explanation but it might be hard for some fans to believe since he seemed perfectly healthy when he came to Earth. Why would the disease only affect him in his true form and how did he get the disease? I guess they could say it was similar to Goku's heart virus since Goku was okay in a suppressed form but suffered the more he powered-up in SSJ. I believe the manga implied the virus was contracted on Earth but they could say Goku got it somewhere in space and it was a common deadly virus so King Cold also contracted it.

Although I think the idea of him not wanting to transform because he was weaker than Frieza could work. If 100% Cold was only equal to say 70% Frieza then transforming wouldn't have made a difference against someone who easily took down a stronger version of Frieza. Trying to bribe or trick him might work better than transforming knowing he can't stand a chance. He might try blowing up the planet but the difference in their power could still be too great that Trunks could counter it.

[rereboy]

He actually looks completely weakened. If Cold was in fighting shape then it might have been a serious battle.

He was in fighting shape, besides having some difficulty fully controlling his power. Gast just meant that if Cold hadn't already spent a good deal of his power, he would be unable to use that technique on him, which explains why Gast didn't start the fight with that technique.

I don't know I think it's easier just to have Cold not transform than have him decide to play a bigger part in his empire earlier on just so he would last a little longer against Gast. I think that would mean King Cold's decision somehow influenced Nail and Guru to act differently than they did in U18. The description for U7 in the wheel on the front page would be something like:

???: see official DBM timeline
Prior to 762: King Cold doesn't develop disease that inhibits his transformations.
762: When Freeza attacked their planet for the Dragon Balls, the Nameks decided to fuse.

Having Cold transform so that he is the true challenge of the special to Gast is pretty much the whole point and I fail to see any problem with the disease explanation. In fact, you appear to be agaisnt that explanation and having Cold transform, but then you present a timeline exactly like the one that I proposed for this special and that would allow him to be ahead of the empire and fight agaisnt Gast in his true form.

I agree the manga probably intended for that to be King Cold's final form. If he was killed in a suppressed form then as far as I'm aware he would be the only villain in the entire series killed while not at full strength. The disease idea could be a good explanation but it might be hard for some fans to believe since he seemed perfectly healthy when he came to Earth. Why would the disease only affect him in his true form and how did he get the disease? I guess they could say it was similar to Goku's heart virus since Goku was okay in a suppressed form but suffered the more he powered-up in SSJ. I believe the manga implied the virus was contracted on Earth but they could say Goku got it somewhere in space and it was a common deadly virus so King Cold also contracted it.

Although I think the idea of him not wanting to transform because he was weaker than Freeza could work. If 100% Cold was only equal to say 70% Freeza then transforming wouldn't have made a difference against someone who easily took down a stronger version of Freeza. Trying to bribe or trick him might work better than transforming knowing he can't stand a chance. He might try blowing up the planet but the difference in their power could still be too great that Trunks could counter it.

I don't see why fans should be opposed to the decease idea. Besides being unconventional and perfectly explaining everything, it has a precedent since even Goku got a virus that would have killed him, so we know that even these super-powered beings can be affected by diseases. Cold developing a chronic decease because of his relative old age, like pretty much every other being does, is perfectly logical and is better than the conventional explanations of training and so on that wouldn't really fit well with members of the Freeza family.

[mAcChaos]

He actually looks completely weakened. If Cold was in fighting shape then it might have been a serious battle.

He was in fighting shape, besides having some difficulty fully controlling his power. Gast just meant that if Cold hadn't already spent a good deal of his power, he would be unable to use that technique on him, which explains why Gast didn't start the fight with that technique.

That sounds like a trivial point for Gast to make if that's what he meant. It seemed more like he was talking about Cold not being in control of his powers.

[rereboy]

That sounds like a trivial point for Gast to make if that's what he meant. It seemed more like he was talking about Cold not being in control of his powers.

Not at all. I don't consider trivial that Gast offers an explanation for why he didn't use this technique as his first attack, immediately ending Cold. If he was referring to his lack of control, that would mean that Gast could have used the technique from the start, since Cold had poor control right from the start, but instead chose to use regular attacks, which allowed Cold to attack yet again and try to destroy the planet, an attack that Gast had some difficulty in neutralizing and even risked the child he was supposed to protect.

[Skar]

Having Cold transform so that he is the true challenge of the special to Gast is pretty much the whole point and I fail to see any problem with the disease explanation. In fact, you appear to be agaisnt that explanation and having Cold transform, but then you present a timeline exactly like the one that I proposed for this special and that would allow him to be ahead of the empire and fight agaisnt Gast in his true form.

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Actually I presented that timeline to show why I didn't think it made too much sense. In DBM every alternate universe was identical to U18 until a single event caused it to diverge and had a butterfly effect on changes that happened later on. Except U10 which diverged from U1. In U13, Goku never hit his head which lead to Vegeta defeating Frieza, Raditz surpassing the Ginyu Force, etc. Of course there would be an alternate universe for every possible outcome but in DBM they kept it simple where one event triggered all the subsequent differences from U18. If in U7 the universe diverged when King Cold decided to stay in power then that would mean it somehow caused Guru and Nail to act differently than they did in U18.

I don't see why fans should be opposed to the decease idea. Besides being unconventional and perfectly explaining everything, it has a precedent since even Goku got a virus that would have killed him, so we know that even these super-powered beings can be affected by diseases. Cold developing a chronic decease because of his relative old age, like pretty much every other being does, is perfectly logical and is better than the conventional explanations of training and so on that wouldn't really fit well with members of the Freeza family.

I think it could possibly work if there were more details. Some fans don't really care while others like to learn the entire background of a fanon idea. A few years later in the future Earth scientists were able to develop a cure for Goku's heart virus so why couldn't anyone in the Frost Demon empire develop a cure for King Cold's disease? Depending on how long he's had it they might have centuries to develop a cure. What would the explanation be for how he contracted the disease? It would be highly contagious and many other members of the empire were killed by it or was king Cold the only member who contracted it?

[rereboy]

Actually I presented that timeline to show why I didn't think it made too much sense. In DBM every alternate universe was identical to U18 until a single event caused it to diverge and had a butterfly effect on changes that happened later on. Except U10 which diverged from U1. In U13, Goku never hit his head which lead to Vegeta defeating Freeza, Raditz surpassing the Ginyu Force, etc. Of course there would be an alternate universe for every possible outcome but in DBM they kept it simple where one event triggered all the subsequent differences from U18. If in U7 the universe diverged when King Cold decided to stay in power then that would mean it somehow caused Guru and Nail to act differently than they did in U18.

Sure, but why exactly does one universe have to have exactly ONE difference compared to another universe? Why does all that is different in that universe has to be born out of that one difference, instead of several slight differences? I don't see why it can't have more than one difference not directly related to each other, its not stated anywhere in DBM that the universes must have just one difference compared to another universe. All that is stated is that universes differ slightly, but that doesn't mean it has to be just one difference.

Anyway, if you really MUST have only one difference, then you could relate Nail's idea or decision with the fact that Cold was still ahead of the empire somehow. Perhaps the fact that Cold remained ahead of the empire, resulted in the empire being even more powerful than he was in the main timeline (more brutal conquests), which resulted in even the Namekians knowing about it from fleeing aliens that one time landed on their planet seeking supplies while escaping from the conquest of their homeworld and that then left Namek. Such an encounter and information would give Nail and the Namekians time to consider what to do in case the same thing happened in Namek and make them more susceptible to act.

I think it could possibly work if there were more details. Some fans don't really care while others like to learn the entire background of a fanon idea. A few years later in the future Earth scientists were able to develop a cure for Goku's heart virus so why couldn't anyone in the Frost Demon empire develop a cure for King Cold's disease? Depending on how long he's had it they might have centuries to develop a cure. What would the explanation be for how he contracted the disease? It would be highly contagious and many other members of the empire were killed by it or was king Cold the only member who contracted it?

I merely offered the basic idea. It could be as fleshed out as needed. In my mind it would not be a contagious disease, but rather a chronic decease that sometimes affects members of Freeza's race, usually when they reach a relative old age, kind of like Parkinson in humans. But fortunately for members of Freeza's race, the decease becomes dormant or inactive when they use suppression forms, only fully manifesting itself or becoming active in their true form. So, members of their race afflicted with that decease remain in a suppression form at all times (especially since they wouldn't become stronger even if they transformed thanks to the decease) where it poses no threat to their longevity, power and well-being, and only has harmless and minor symptoms, like slightly altered taste and decreased or increased appetite.

Obviously, Cold would have been in search for a cure to his illness ever since he got it, but his scientists would only find a solution after the time period of the android arc.

[coola]

Vegeta is probably still at 24.000, with meanst, that if he go to Earth, he will get his butt kicked by Goku.

Wednesday the 24th, the sequel of the tournament!
Still drawn by Asura!

[RandomGuy96]

More Gast wank. Yay.

[Scarz]

Still drawn by Asura!
Wednesday the 24th, the sequel of the tournament!

Noooo! But I love (even more) evil Vegeta!

[coola]

How equal fight with Piccolo Daimao is Gast wank?

[rereboy]

How equal fight with Piccolo Daimao is Gast wank?

Equal fight? Gast is blocking his attack without any hint of effort.

[Gyt Kaliba]

I'm actually really hoping that Piccolo Daimao is somehow strong enough to win this one. I really doubt it, but he'd have a more interesting personality to watch moving forward.