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Re: Fanmanga - DB Multiverse

Post by Kaboom » Wed Sep 17, 2014 11:03 pm

RandomGuy96 wrote:I mean, didn't the Nameless Namek explicitly say "I'm not Piccolo"?
Yes, but not long after that he also said, "I'm still mostly Piccolo, so call me that." Which I think is a good indication of how the mergers affected his mind, too. There was some initial "system shock" right after assimilating Kami, and while he and Nail both certainly added or altered certain facets of his personality, they didn't outright replace it. Overall he's still Piccolo, just not completely the same Piccolo.
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Post by King Bardock » Wed Sep 17, 2014 11:40 pm

Is it just me or is U13 Vegeta laughing in the preview picture? Maybe he did get his immortality wish after all.

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Post by dbgtFO » Thu Sep 18, 2014 5:03 am

King Bardock wrote:Is it just me or is U13 Vegeta laughing in the preview picture? Maybe he did get his immortality wish after all.
Nah, look closer. He very clearly isn't laughing at all.

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Post by Tzigi » Fri Sep 19, 2014 2:47 pm

By the way: DBM has just gained another language version: in Latin! As a doctoral student in Classical Reception Studies I can't even express how happy I'm about it :)

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Post by Marco Polo » Fri Sep 19, 2014 2:50 pm

I'm too used to seeing Gast with pupil-less eyes now. It's gonna be strange returning to the regular design.

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Post by Kamiccolo9 » Fri Sep 19, 2014 3:44 pm

Tzigi wrote:By the way: DBM has just gained another language version: in Latin! As a doctoral student in Classical Reception Studies I can't even express how happy I'm about it :)
That's really cool, and I'd love to see it, but I can't imagine there would be much demand for the series in Latin.
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Post by Tzigi » Fri Sep 19, 2014 4:04 pm

Kamiccolo9 wrote:
Tzigi wrote:By the way: DBM has just gained another language version: in Latin! As a doctoral student in Classical Reception Studies I can't even express how happy I'm about it :)
That's really cool, and I'd love to see it, but I can't imagine there would be much demand for the series in Latin.
So you can see it (by clicking on the link I've provided) - there are already two chapters worth of it. As to the demand -surely it won't be big but establishing a new language version is almost automated so it isn't much of a problem for Salagir :)

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Post by UltimateHammerBro » Fri Sep 19, 2014 6:46 pm

I've just taken a look at the Latin translation. I don't know (almost) anything of Latin, but I still find it cool. The only thing I don't like is how the text doesn't use a better typography like the other versions.

A Latin translation of the original DB manga would be something to look at :clap:
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Post by FoolsGil » Fri Sep 19, 2014 7:56 pm

I'm not sure if it was answered before or not, but couldn't Gast start his own family of Namekians like Guru did?

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Post by Kaboom » Fri Sep 19, 2014 8:36 pm

FoolsGil wrote:I'm not sure if it was answered before or not, but couldn't Gast start his own family of Namekians like Guru did?
If the "base" Namekian whom Gast used to be is Nail, then he'd be a warrior-type Namekian, who allegedly are incapable of reproducing. Of course, I don't know if Salagir is aware of that little tidbit of info, much less if he'd even stick to it if he is.
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Re: Fanmanga - DB Multiverse

Post by RandomGuy96 » Fri Sep 19, 2014 8:38 pm

Kaboom wrote:
FoolsGil wrote:I'm not sure if it was answered before or not, but couldn't Gast start his own family of Namekians like Guru did?
If the "base" Namekian whom Gast used to be is Nail, then he'd be a warrior-type Namekian, who allegedly are incapable of reproducing. Of course, I don't know if Salagir is aware of that little tidbit of info, much less if he'd even stick to it if he is.
Gast isn't physically Nail (even though he should be).
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He's probably referring to the Bardock special. Zarbon was the one who first recommended destroying Planet Vegeta because the saiyans were rapidly growing in strength.
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Re: Fanmanga - DB Multiverse

Post by Kaboom » Fri Sep 19, 2014 9:32 pm

RandomGuy96 wrote:Gast isn't physically Nail (even though he should be).
Even so, there's no reason he shouldn't still physiologically be a warrior-type Namekian, and have the presumably unique biology that comes along with it. Point being that he probably never did and still doesn't have the necessary "plumbing" for reproducing.
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Re: Fanmanga - DB Multiverse

Post by RandomGuy96 » Fri Sep 19, 2014 9:38 pm

Kaboom wrote:
RandomGuy96 wrote:Gast isn't physically Nail (even though he should be).
Even so, there's no reason he shouldn't still physiologically be a warrior-type Namekian, and have the presumably unique biology that comes along with it. Point being that he probably never did and still doesn't have the necessary "plumbing" for reproducing.
He shouldn't be ten feet tall with a unique face, either. I wouldn't be surprised if he can reproduce in Salagir's universe.
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dbgtFO wrote: Please elaborate as I do not know what you mean by "pushing Vegeta's destruction"
He's probably referring to the Bardock special. Zarbon was the one who first recommended destroying Planet Vegeta because the saiyans were rapidly growing in strength.
It was actually Beerus disguised as Zarbon #StayWoke
Herms wrote:The fact that the ridiculous power inflation is presented so earnestly makes me just roll my eyes and snicker. Like with Freeza, where he starts off over 10 times stronger than all his henchmen except Ginyu (because...well, just because), then we find out he can transform and get even more powerful, and then he reveals he can transform two more times, before finally coming out with the fact that he hasn't even been using anywhere near 50% of his power. Oh, and he can survive in the vacuum of space. All this stuff is just presented as the way Freeza is, without even an attempt at rationalizing it, yet the tone dictates we're supposed to take all this silly grasping at straws as thrilling danger. So I guess I don't really take the power inflation in the Boo arc seriously, but I don't take the power inflation in earlier arcs seriously either, so there's no net loss of seriousness. I think a silly story presented as serious is harder to accept than a silly story presented as silly.

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Post by Tzigi » Sat Sep 20, 2014 4:00 am

RandomGuy96 wrote:
Kaboom wrote:
RandomGuy96 wrote:Gast isn't physically Nail (even though he should be).
Even so, there's no reason he shouldn't still physiologically be a warrior-type Namekian, and have the presumably unique biology that comes along with it. Point being that he probably never did and still doesn't have the necessary "plumbing" for reproducing.
He shouldn't be ten feet tall with a unique face, either. I wouldn't be surprised if he can reproduce in Salagir's universe.
Do you actually bother to read DBM or do you just criticise it on the basis of comments here on Kanzenshuu?
Just take a look at page 915:
Gast says plain and simple that he cannot reproduce.

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Post by RandomGuy96 » Sat Sep 20, 2014 4:24 am

I had thought that he was just referring to the Dragon Balls, and it was a slight bit of "lost in translation" that he couldn't reproduce or recreate them. Like, the original wording was very slightly different rather than using two synonyms. Either that or he was using the technical wording of "I can't bring back the Dragon Balls (recreate), nor can I make new ones (reproduce)." I read "...and having no means to reproduce nor recreate the dragon balls" as "I cannot reproduce or recreate the dragon balls" rather than "I can't produce offspring, nor can I create the dragon balls". Admittedly, the latter probably makes more sense. But I always thought that Gast's motivation was bringing back those specific people rather than Namekians in general.

And that wasn't a criticism of DBM per se, it was just me me saying that, given the other rules/precedents he's violated, and the fact that there is no real "original canon" universe in DBM (just Salagir's fanfic universe, where Cold is stronger than Freeza, all Namekians can fuse, his Broly fan fiction happened, etc.), it shouldn't be unexpected if Salagir violates one more.
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dbgtFO wrote: Please elaborate as I do not know what you mean by "pushing Vegeta's destruction"
He's probably referring to the Bardock special. Zarbon was the one who first recommended destroying Planet Vegeta because the saiyans were rapidly growing in strength.
It was actually Beerus disguised as Zarbon #StayWoke
Herms wrote:The fact that the ridiculous power inflation is presented so earnestly makes me just roll my eyes and snicker. Like with Freeza, where he starts off over 10 times stronger than all his henchmen except Ginyu (because...well, just because), then we find out he can transform and get even more powerful, and then he reveals he can transform two more times, before finally coming out with the fact that he hasn't even been using anywhere near 50% of his power. Oh, and he can survive in the vacuum of space. All this stuff is just presented as the way Freeza is, without even an attempt at rationalizing it, yet the tone dictates we're supposed to take all this silly grasping at straws as thrilling danger. So I guess I don't really take the power inflation in the Boo arc seriously, but I don't take the power inflation in earlier arcs seriously either, so there's no net loss of seriousness. I think a silly story presented as serious is harder to accept than a silly story presented as silly.

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Post by Marco Polo » Sat Sep 20, 2014 4:58 am

RandomGuy96 wrote:I had thought that he was just referring to the Dragon Balls, and it was a slight bit of "lost in translation" that he couldn't reproduce or recreate them. Like, the original wording was very slightly different rather than using two synonyms. Either that or he was using the technical wording of "I can't bring back the Dragon Balls (recreate), nor can I make new ones (reproduce)." I read "...and having no means to reproduce nor recreate the dragon balls" as "I cannot reproduce or recreate the dragon balls" rather than "I can't produce offspring, nor can I create the dragon balls". Admittedly, the latter probably makes more sense. I always thought that Gast's motivation was bringing back those specific people rather than Namekians in general.

And that wasn't a criticism of DBM per se, it was just me me saying that, given the other rules/precedents he's violated, and the fact that there is no real "original canon" universe in DBM (just Salagir's fanfic universe, where Cold is stronger than Freeza, all Namekians can fuse, his Broly fan fiction happened, etc.), it shouldn't be unexpected if Salagir violates one more.
WOW, so much grasping at straws in one single post.

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Re: Fanmanga - DB Multiverse

Post by RandomGuy96 » Sat Sep 20, 2014 5:02 am

Marco Polo wrote:
RandomGuy96 wrote:I had thought that he was just referring to the Dragon Balls, and it was a slight bit of "lost in translation" that he couldn't reproduce or recreate them. Like, the original wording was very slightly different rather than using two synonyms. Either that or he was using the technical wording of "I can't bring back the Dragon Balls (recreate), nor can I make new ones (reproduce)." I read "...and having no means to reproduce nor recreate the dragon balls" as "I cannot reproduce or recreate the dragon balls" rather than "I can't produce offspring, nor can I create the dragon balls". Admittedly, the latter probably makes more sense. I always thought that Gast's motivation was bringing back those specific people rather than Namekians in general.

And that wasn't a criticism of DBM per se, it was just me me saying that, given the other rules/precedents he's violated, and the fact that there is no real "original canon" universe in DBM (just Salagir's fanfic universe, where Cold is stronger than Freeza, all Namekians can fuse, his Broly fan fiction happened, etc.), it shouldn't be unexpected if Salagir violates one more.
WOW, so much grasping at straws in one single post.
Meh. That's just what I thought when I first read it. Partly because I had the thought in my head that Gast's goal was to bring back those specific, original Nameks when I read it, so just producing his own offspring wouldn't cut it. Though I'm not sure if that was stated somewhere in the comic/novel, or I just heard it on a forum or something and then forgot where it came from.
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dbgtFO wrote: Please elaborate as I do not know what you mean by "pushing Vegeta's destruction"
He's probably referring to the Bardock special. Zarbon was the one who first recommended destroying Planet Vegeta because the saiyans were rapidly growing in strength.
It was actually Beerus disguised as Zarbon #StayWoke
Herms wrote:The fact that the ridiculous power inflation is presented so earnestly makes me just roll my eyes and snicker. Like with Freeza, where he starts off over 10 times stronger than all his henchmen except Ginyu (because...well, just because), then we find out he can transform and get even more powerful, and then he reveals he can transform two more times, before finally coming out with the fact that he hasn't even been using anywhere near 50% of his power. Oh, and he can survive in the vacuum of space. All this stuff is just presented as the way Freeza is, without even an attempt at rationalizing it, yet the tone dictates we're supposed to take all this silly grasping at straws as thrilling danger. So I guess I don't really take the power inflation in the Boo arc seriously, but I don't take the power inflation in earlier arcs seriously either, so there's no net loss of seriousness. I think a silly story presented as serious is harder to accept than a silly story presented as silly.

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Post by rereboy » Sat Sep 20, 2014 8:26 am

Kaboom wrote:
FoolsGil wrote:I'm not sure if it was answered before or not, but couldn't Gast start his own family of Namekians like Guru did?
If the "base" Namekian whom Gast used to be is Nail, then he'd be a warrior-type Namekian, who allegedly are incapable of reproducing. Of course, I don't know if Salagir is aware of that little tidbit of info, much less if he'd even stick to it if he is.
That's basically his problem and why he went to seek the knowledge of that planet of scholars and why he wants the wish from the dragon at the tournament. As he is now, the entire Namekian race of his world will die when he dies because he can't reproduce.
RandomGuy96 wrote:I had thought that he was just referring to the Dragon Balls, and it was a slight bit of "lost in translation" that he couldn't reproduce or recreate them. Like, the original wording was very slightly different rather than using two synonyms. Either that or he was using the technical wording of "I can't bring back the Dragon Balls (recreate), nor can I make new ones (reproduce)." I read "...and having no means to reproduce nor recreate the dragon balls" as "I cannot reproduce or recreate the dragon balls" rather than "I can't produce offspring, nor can I create the dragon balls". Admittedly, the latter probably makes more sense. But I always thought that Gast's motivation was bringing back those specific people rather than Namekians in general.

And that wasn't a criticism of DBM per se, it was just me me saying that, given the other rules/precedents he's violated, and the fact that there is no real "original canon" universe in DBM (just Salagir's fanfic universe, where Cold is stronger than Freeza, all Namekians can fuse, his Broly fan fiction happened, etc.), it shouldn't be unexpected if Salagir violates one more.
Unfortunately, it seems that the inclination continues to be to assume the worst and criticize DBM before even assuming a fair posture about it and analyze it.

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Re: Fanmanga - DB Multiverse

Post by Kaboom » Sat Sep 20, 2014 3:51 pm

Given the unclear English wording, I can see how RandomGuy (or anyone else) could think Gast was only talking about the Dragon Balls, not necessarily reproducing himself. It needs an extra comma in there somewhere.
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