How many multiverses can Goku bench press?

[Saiyan007]

well there is a new movie coming out who knows maybe he will lift something.(highly doubt that this is Akira Toriyama we are talking about don't remember the last time Goku did something impressive)

[EliteWarrior]

If can assume Goku had a power level of 5 at the beginning of Dragon Ball and he was shown lifting a car that should weigh about 1 ton.

His power level was ten, actually. If we assume that would scale linearly, then SS3 Goku in the Buu arc, who is implied to be around 30 billion based on BOG and the Genki Dama scene, would be able to lift 3 billion tons (3,000,0000,000). SS Namek Goku would be able to lift 15 million tons (15,000,000). However, it's likely that it doesn't scale linearly, because destructive power and speed don't seem to. On the other hand, the Kaio-ken is said to multiply general things like strength and speed by whatever level of KK you're using (x2, x3, etc.), but it also multiplies battle power by the same number. It's confusing.

This topic is idiotic, btw. I'm pretty sure it's a troll.

well you dont know if his power level is 30 billion in battle of gods in ssj3 because remember the movie takes place 5 years after the defeat of buu, goku has been training every day and he was able to master his super saiyan 3 even further so it doesnt drain too much energy
post buu saga ssj3 goku 24billion power level
BOG ssj3 goku 50+ billion power level atleast because he would have already surpassed super buu and majin buu at that time in terms of their power level which they had around 32 billion now buuhan on the other hand is pretty tricky, we know gohan was much stronger than super buu who has pl of 32 billion it could mean that mystic gohan power level was around nearly 40 billion and once buu absorbed him he would easily been around 70-80 billion power level which base vegetto was facing no problem.


ABOG base goku>>ssj3 BOG goku

wheerus sama> beerus sama > super saiyan god goku> super saiyan 3 goku> super saiyan 2 goku> super saiyan goku> base goku> super saiyan 2 rage vegeta > mystic/ultimate gohan> super saiyan 3 king kai training BOG goku

[Saiyan007]

SSJG multiplier could be 9999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999 and yet i couldn't be proven wrong

It's not a power Goku could ever reach on his own even if he was immortal

[KentalSSJ6]

ABOG base goku>>ssj3 BOG goku

wheerus sama> beerus sama > super saiyan god goku> super saiyan 3 goku> super saiyan 2 goku> super saiyan goku> base goku> super saiyan 2 rage vegeta > mystic/ultimate gohan> super saiyan 3 king kai training BOG goku

Whis > Beerus > SSJG Goku > Super Vegetto > Buuhan > Buutenks > Gohan > Super Buu =/< SSJ3 Gotenks > SSJ1 Gotenks > SSJ3 Goku > Kid Buu > Grey Buu > Fat Buu > SSJ2 Vegeta.

[EliteWarrior]

SSJG multiplier could be 9999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999 and yet i couldn't be proven wrong

It's not a power Goku could ever reach on his own even if he was immortal

There is no a direct quote i ever found but i think it was stated multiple times that super saiyan god cant be achieved simply by training or powering up, when he realized that training would be useless and i am going to make a specifically a thread for that to prove you guys that when beerus asked him if he was impressed,NOPE he didn't say that, he said if you were satisfied with super saiyan god, which gives you a new meaning.
And when goku said no it wasent because of goku thinking about how he wasent able to get that transformation on his own, but it was simply because he realized at this point there you can never be truly satisfied at something like becoming super saiyan for the first time.
Which gave goku an epilogue to finally destroy the evil and become to the true hero, only to realize that soon there will be villians that would surpass super saiyan level and goku would have to train and ascend beyond super saiyan level to defeat his enemy same with super saiyan god, all this gimmick is just temporary there will soon be villians that will be flicking super saiyan god goku forehead just like bills did with super saiyan 3 lol

[Kamiccolo9]

SSJG multiplier could be 9999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999 and yet i couldn't be proven wrong

It's not a power Goku could ever reach on his own even if he was immortal

there is no a direct quote i ever found but i think it was stated multiple times that super saiyan god cant be achieved simply by training or powering up, when he realized that training would be useless and i am going to make a specifically a thread for that to prove you guys that when beerus asked him if he was impressed,NOPE he didnt say that, he said if you were satisfied with super saiyan god, which gives you a new meaning,and goku said no it was all not because of goku thinking about how he wasent able to get that transformation on his own, but it was simply because he realized at this point there you can never be trully satisfied at something like becoming super saiyan for the first time gave goku an epilogue to finaly destroy the evil and become to the true hero, only to realize that soon there will be villians that would surpass super saiyan level and goku woudl have to train and accend beyond super saiyan level to defeat his enemy same with super saiyan god, all this gimirick is just temporary there will soon be villians that will be flicking super saiyan god goku forehead just like bills did with super saiyan 3 lol

Punctuation is a thing. Please use it.

[EliteWarrior]

SSJG multiplier could be 9999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999 and yet i couldn't be proven wrong

It's not a power Goku could ever reach on his own even if he was immortal

there is no a direct quote i ever found but i think it was stated multiple times that super saiyan god cant be achieved simply by training or powering up, when he realized that training would be useless and i am going to make a specifically a thread for that to prove you guys that when beerus asked him if he was impressed,NOPE he didnt say that, he said if you were satisfied with super saiyan god, which gives you a new meaning,and goku said no it was all not because of goku thinking about how he wasent able to get that transformation on his own, but it was simply because he realized at this point there you can never be trully satisfied at something like becoming super saiyan for the first time gave goku an epilogue to finaly destroy the evil and become to the true hero, only to realize that soon there will be villians that would surpass super saiyan level and goku woudl have to train and accend beyond super saiyan level to defeat his enemy same with super saiyan god, all this gimirick is just temporary there will soon be villians that will be flicking super saiyan god goku forehead just like bills did with super saiyan 3 lol

Punctuation is a thing. Please use it.

sorry I am editing right now

[EliteWarrior]

The lack of politeness and basic grammar is overwhelming here. You have freedom of speech, sure, but you also agreed to abide by a certain set of rules (twice) before you even registered. If you're not willing to follow them, we're not willing to have you here.

If you have a legitimate discussion, have it. If you don't, don't. Be awesome about it the entire time. Very simple stuff - thank you!

Do you think a Super Saiyan God Vegetto could bench press a multiverse? just wondering




Candy Vegetto solos omnipotent thats OP!!!

[KentalSSJ6]

The lack of politeness and basic grammar is overwhelming here. You have freedom of speech, sure, but you also agreed to abide by a certain set of rules (twice) before you even registered. If you're not willing to follow them, we're not willing to have you here.

If you have a legitimate discussion, have it. If you don't, don't. Be awesome about it the entire time. Very simple stuff - thank you!

Do you think a Super Saiyan God Vegetto could bench press a multiverse? just wondering

No. No character or hypothetical character in the Dragon universe could do such a feat. This is not DC or Marvel comics.

[SSJ God Gogeta]

The lack of politeness and basic grammar is overwhelming here. You have freedom of speech, sure, but you also agreed to abide by a certain set of rules (twice) before you even registered. If you're not willing to follow them, we're not willing to have you here.

If you have a legitimate discussion, have it. If you don't, don't. Be awesome about it the entire time. Very simple stuff - thank you!

Do you think a Super Saiyan God Vegetto could bench press a multiverse? just wondering

No. No character or hypothetical character in the Dragon universe could do such a feat. This is not DC or Marvel comics.

Agreed. The DBZ universe has limits unlike many other manga and comic books. The Z fighters can only do so much.

[rereboy]

If can assume Goku had a power level of 5 at the beginning of Dragon Ball and he was shown lifting a car that should weigh about 1 ton.

His power level was ten, actually. If we assume that would scale linearly, then SS3 Goku in the Buu arc, who is implied to be around 30 billion based on BOG and the Genki Dama scene, would be able to lift 3 billion tons (3,000,0000,000). SS Namek Goku would be able to lift 15 million tons (15,000,000). However, it's likely that it doesn't scale linearly, because destructive power and speed don't seem to. On the other hand, the Kaio-ken is said to multiply general things like strength and speed by whatever level of KK you're using (x2, x3, etc.), but it also multiplies battle power by the same number. It's confusing.

This topic is idiotic, btw. I'm pretty sure it's a troll.

With an assumed power level of 10, he would lift even less than what I mentioned when he gets to his power level in Namek. I gave that estimate on purpose to show that, even when we benefit Goku in some values, it would still be much too little to lift even Earth.

[EliteWarrior]

And thats sucks, I wish piccolo was atleast omnipotent in manga, since he is part of the race that can create dragons that posses omniscience, abilities, just look at shenron poor dragon pissing his pants when he meets beerus, but at the same time knows more about super saiyan god than whis and beerus combined, also he can ressurect civilizations and bring back destroyed planets,and turn people immortal and unkillable like garlic jr that was only defeated by his own teqnique that OP

[KentalSSJ6]

And thats sucks, I wish piccolo was atleast omnipotent in manga, since he is part of the race that can create dragons that posses omniscience, abilities, just look at shenron poor dragon pissing his pants when he meets beerus, but at the same time knows more about super saiyan god than whis and beerus combined, also he can ressurect civilizations and bring back destroyed planets,and turn people immortal and unkillable like garlic jr that was only defeated by his own teqnique that OP

It is what it is. That being said, no character in the Dragon universe could lift a omniverse much less anything larger than multiple planets. Anyone who tried would end up like this -

[dbzfan7]

0. No way he could do that. At most I could possibly see if one planet if in his absolute most powerful, and that's only if they wrote it in the story for some reason. Personally I don't think he could do a planet even. A city or maybe country is far more believable.

What about power scaling? If Goku can lift a car which weights about .8 ton with power level of 10 his power increases but his strength increases exponentially, meaning 2 people with power level of 5 wont be able to match up against someone who has power level of 10
same with Goku.
His raw strength might not be much but his spiritual strength allows him to surpass his limits, thats why if you go to some japanese forums that talk about goku lifting 40 tons they bring a thing called spiritual concentration to the topic, since we know it takes goku somewhat of ki energy concentration to remain in the air, somebody would weight around 40 tons plus 60kg might have trouble staying off the ground, but if goku plunged to the ground he might have had no problem having that weight on him

also a personal expierience a a normal person can bench press around 180pounds and squat 300 pounds
divide that weight by 4 and your getting 45 pounds on each limb, most people would struggle with 20 pounds on each limb
and if we divide the squat number by 4 were getting 75 pounds on each limb, which i doubth any person on earth could hold since it would throw him off balance and his limbs would tear

my point is that goku can bench press much more than 40 tons in reality during buu saga most likely around 1000 tons
and if we use prime goku and he become super saiyan god and absorbs genki dama energy into his limbs he would be on a galactic/universal level bench presser and thats in dragon ball universe

I can agree the 40 ton thing is odd, but power scaling leads to a ton of assumptions. I'm pretty sure any reasonable number would still put him under earth. Also absorbing a Genki Dama doesn't give a set increase either, which leads to more assumptions.

[Low Tone G]

ABOG base goku>>ssj3 BOG goku

wheerus sama> beerus sama > super saiyan god goku> super saiyan 3 goku> super saiyan 2 goku> super saiyan goku> base goku> super saiyan 2 rage vegeta > mystic/ultimate gohan> super saiyan 3 king kai training BOG goku

Whis > Beerus > SSJG Goku > Super Vegetto > Buuhan > Buutenks > Gohan > Super Buu =/< SSJ3 Gotenks > SSJ1 Gotenks > SSJ3 Goku > Kid Buu > Grey Buu > Fat Buu > SSJ2 Vegeta.

I see this like this: Whis > Beerus > Super Saiyan God Goku > Super Saiyan Goku (God powers) > Base God Goku > Original Saiyan God > Super Saiyan 4 Vegetto - Full power (stable Ki's/Godly Ki's lowest limit reached)* >> Super Saiyan 3 Vegetto > Super Saiyan 2 Vegetto > Super Saiyan Vegetto >> Rage Super Saiyan Vegeta > Ultimate Gohan > Super Saiyan 3 Gotenks >/= Super Saiyan 3 Goku* >> Super Saiyan Gotenks >/= Super Saiyan 2 Vegeta > Super Saiyan 2 Goku > Super Saiyan Vegeta > Super Saiyan Goku >/= Base Gotenks > Piccolo >>> Base Vegeta > Base Goku

* I see Goku to be able to train himself enough to compete SSJ3 Gotenks, because being he used to want them to replace him, but being him around, it's pointless to rely on them.

I see the God Ki being more powerful and way more stable than the normal one, but I can imagine an instable normal Ki level when it might compete a weak God, like the Original Saiyan God. The stable nomal Ki's limit, I think, it would be SSJ4 Vegetto's Full power. An unstable normal Ki to compete a God Ki would be a SSJ4 Vegetto using Dragon Fist attack, which would result him to explode after performing that attack.

As you might guess, I do not see the God Ki a power beyond the infinite, that's a misconception for me. I think the limit of normal Ki is when it becomes unstable, it's a very high level of Ki but still exists. Beyond that there is the God Ki.

[xmysticgohanx]

Goku can't even bench the earth bro. He's at either 1 million tons (calced from Tao Pai Pai's pillar feat) or 160 million tons (kaioken scaling). The earth is ~6 sextillion tons. Frieza does have a feat where he ripped Nail's arm, so he compromised Nail's planet+ durability, which is a lifting feat but no one really knows how to calc it because as far as I know, you can't convert energy into mass.

[flashback0180]

Lol... Yes goku is now a multiversal omnipotent god, who can destroy galaxys with just his pinki.

Jokes aside, the closest thing manga goku had ever done was shaking the entire universe/dimensions with his ki.
I'll put his carry weight around country level. That being generous.

[Tectorman]

Goku can't even bench the earth bro. He's at either 1 million tons (calced from Tao Pai Pai's pillar feat) or 160 million tons (kaioken scaling). The earth is ~6 sextillion tons. Freeza does have a feat where he ripped Nail's arm, so he compromised Nail's planet+ durability, which is a lifting feat but no one really knows how to calc it because as far as I know, you can't convert energy into mass.

Actually, the most recent direct quote strength feat we have is SSJ3 Goku punching Fat Buu's Kamehameha back at him.

It's stated to have destroyed a tenth of the earth (though how it's destroying a tenth without automatic structural failure of the other nine tenths is a mystery).

An earth-buster is 2e32 joules, so Fat Buu's Kmha was 2e31 joules.

SSJ3 is x400, so Goku's base is being able to punch 5e28 joules.

The conversion for joules to megatons is 1MT = 4.(something)e15 joules, so let's round it up to 5e15.

Making Goku's punches equal to 1e13MT, or 10 trillion megatons. A megaton is a million tons, so he's actually looking at 10 quintillion tons. Enough to move the earth in its orbit.

[Hitiro]

Actually, the most recent direct quote strength feat we have is SSJ3 Goku punching Fat Buu's Kamehameha back at him.

It's stated to have destroyed a tenth of the earth (though how it's destroying a tenth without automatic structural failure of the other nine tenths is a mystery).

An earth-buster is 2e32 joules, so Fat Buu's Kmha was 2e31 joules.

SSJ3 is x400, so Goku's base is being able to punch 5e28 joules.

The conversion for joules to megatons is 1MT = 4.(something)e15 joules, so let's round it up to 5e15.

Making Goku's punches equal to 1e13MT, or 10 trillion megatons. A megaton is a million tons, so he's actually looking at 10 quintillion tons. Enough to move the earth in its orbit.

Punching a Kamehameha doesn't mean he has the strength to move planets. The Kamehameha has a destructive energy of that amount. Not a kinetic energy. It isn't moving towards Goku with the energy of 2e31 joules. Think of it this way, the little boy; a nuclear bomb containing the power of 63 TJ (Or 6.3e13 joules) comes at you. At a speed of 15,000 mph and weighs 4,400 kg's. The kinetic energy coming at you would be 9.8e10 joules. To swat that back you would need to counteract 9.8e10 joules. That does not mean you swatted 6.3e13 joules away so you must have used about 6.3e13 joules.

There is no way to calculate the mass and velocity of the Kamehameha. So we have no idea how much force Goku had to apply to send the Kamehameha back. Also. We have no clue whether SSJ3 increases Goku's strength and speed proportionally to multiplier we get provided. We know that it amplifies his Ki by 400x. That doesn't mean his strength and speed get a 400x boost as well. We don't know how it scales.

And I believe in the Superman comics it's stated that you would require enough energy to move 1/1000th of the Earth's weight to move the Earth out of orbit. Earth weighs about 67,000 quintillion tons. So you would need the equivalent energy of 66.6 quintillion tons to be able to move Earth. Not 10 quintillion tons.

[xmysticgohanx]

Goku can't even bench the earth bro. He's at either 1 million tons (calced from Tao Pai Pai's pillar feat) or 160 million tons (kaioken scaling). The earth is ~6 sextillion tons. Freeza does have a feat where he ripped Nail's arm, so he compromised Nail's planet+ durability, which is a lifting feat but no one really knows how to calc it because as far as I know, you can't convert energy into mass.

Actually, the most recent direct quote strength feat we have is SSJ3 Goku punching Fat Buu's Kamehameha back at him.

It's stated to have destroyed a tenth of the earth (though how it's destroying a tenth without automatic structural failure of the other nine tenths is a mystery).

An earth-buster is 2e32 joules, so Fat Buu's Kmha was 2e31 joules.

SSJ3 is x400, so Goku's base is being able to punch 5e28 joules.

The conversion for joules to megatons is 1MT = 4.(something)e15 joules, so let's round it up to 5e15.

Making Goku's punches equal to 1e13MT, or 10 trillion megatons. A megaton is a million tons, so he's actually looking at 10 quintillion tons. Enough to move the earth in its orbit.

The best striking feat is SSJ2 Gohan destroying the Cell Jrs. That's planet+ striking strength right there