Best DBZ movie villian

Stoney · Post by **Stoney** » Fri Sep 22, 2006 9:14 am

Of course they would win. Goku, Krillin, Piccolo and Tenshinhan are four of the most skilled fighters in Dragonball. Broly relies on his huge power to win a fight. I'm not as certain about Vegeta, he's been a fighter his whole life, I think he has a lot of skill.

I miss the discussions on skill, Blitz. We never finished that tournament but we know Goku would have won, with Tenshinhan coming second. Oh yeeeaaah.

Movie 8 is an alright movie but the next two Broly movies destroy what little character of Broly there was. He sucks.

Rocketman · Post by **Rocketman** » Fri Sep 22, 2006 11:19 am

Drunken Master wrote:Very. Equal powers of course. Because we all know that power>skill in DBZ.

Vegeta is Goku's equal in skill. He would thrash the other three.

Godo · Post by **Godo** » Fri Sep 22, 2006 11:59 am

Rocketman wrote:
Drunken Master wrote:Very. Equal powers of course. Because we all know that power>skill in DBZ.
Vegeta is Goku's equal in skill. He would thrash the other three.

Actually, I haven't seen that much skill in Vegeta. If blasting hundreds of weak ki-balls at an enemy when feeling threatened, or shooting giant ki-balls at the enemy is skill, then Vegeta is skilled. But that's what everyone in DBZ can do. Vegeta even says that Goku is a genious when he watches Goku fight Yakon, but he never says that he is too. Ever. (Maybe before he is trashed by android 18 and at hs arrival at Earth).
Of all the fighters, I would say that Krillin is the most skilled. He learned to fly by himself (float actually), and in his prime he always had one or two or three new techniques to use. He also manages to outsmart his enemies ery often. Look at his fight with Piccolo Jr. That's skill!

Rocketman · Post by **Rocketman** » Fri Sep 22, 2006 2:58 pm

Godo wrote:
Rocketman wrote:
Drunken Master wrote:Very. Equal powers of course. Because we all know that power>skill in DBZ.
Vegeta is Goku's equal in skill. He would thrash the other three.
Actually, I haven't seen that much skill in Vegeta. If blasting hundreds of weak ki-balls at an enemy when feeling threatened, or shooting giant ki-balls at the enemy is skill, then Vegeta is skilled. But that's what everyone in DBZ can do. Vegeta even says that Goku is a genious when he watches Goku fight Yakon, but he never says that he is too. Ever. (Maybe before he is trashed by android 18 and at hs arrival at Earth).

Both Goku and Piccolo call Vegeta a fighting genius during the Android Saga.

And besides that, there was the Majin Vegeta vs Goku fight. The two were equal in sheer power, so the more skilled should have won, yet they were equally matched.

Victator Supreme · Post by **Victator Supreme** » Fri Sep 22, 2006 3:32 pm

And my opinion is that Brolly is grossly overrated. He didn't do anything that most of the other movie villians didn't do. For instance, everyone always points out that he kicked everyone's ass but so did Tullece, Slug, Coola, #13, Bojack, Janenba, and Hildegarn (correct me if I'm wrong as it's been awhile since I've seen some of these). Though for some reason people elevate Brolly to god-like status, even going as far as to say that he could beat some of the high leveled Buu saga characters. I think it's because people like him for the same reason they like Vegeta: He's a Saiyan and he's a badass.

He beat up Trunks, Goku, Gohan, Begeta and Piccolo all at the same time with little effort. He completely no sold a full power kamehameha at point blank range. He's definately in a category all his own power wise.

Drunken Master · Post by **Drunken Master** » Fri Sep 22, 2006 3:43 pm

Those were the days Stoney, those were the days.

They called him a fighting genius because he tricked Gero into fleeing instead of fighting when he had barely any chi. That's not exactly fighting. Son Goku called Tenshinhan a fighting genius when he was actually fighting people. Not to mention quotes from Kuririn, Yamcha, Piccolo, Kame-sen'nin and even Boo about his level of fighting skill. All of Vegeta's 'special' techniques are regular overpowered ki attacks. He's made more mistakes, blunders or just plain ridiculous assumptions then anyone else, and has been beaten down or killed many times for it. And I don't care what anyone says, the Boo saga Vegeta vs Goku fight was LAME. A few punches, a few kicks, and that's it...? Anyhow, if you really think Vegeta is on par with Goku because of that little skirmish, then you should take this into consideration...

Vegeta wanted to KILL Goku in that fight. Goku didn't want to kill Vegeta, thus meaning Goku would be defending himself more than taking an offense, which shows in the fight. Goku would block attacks, and then counter-attack in that fight. Goku did nothing skillful in that battle. He didn't even use his IT, which he could have easily beaten Vegeta with. That battle was nothing, Goku's skill shows against people he HAS to kill or stop like Cell, King Piccolo, Piccolo Jr, Freeza, Buu and ect.

Sorry, I have a debate-like personality when it comes to Dragon Ball. Tenshinhan would beat the living crap oughta Vegeta at equal powers in my humble opinion.

EDIT
My posts are always directed towards the public, I'm not trying to call anyone out, heh. I know it sounds that way though. It's just my general opinion.

Steven Perry · Post by **Steven Perry** » Fri Sep 22, 2006 3:59 pm

Drunken Master wrote:Sorry, I have a debate-like personality when it comes to Dragon Ball. Tenshinhan would beat the living crap oughta Vegeta at equal powers in my humble opinion.

Those damn Saiyans and their crazy-ass power levels...

Tien's skill vastly exceeds that of Vegeta's- it's just that Vegeta's a Saiyan. A Saiyan.

Hmmm... if they all had equal power levels, the humans would actually stand a good chance.

GI_Judd2287 · Post by **GI_Judd2287** » Fri Sep 22, 2006 4:27 pm

Both Goku and Piccolo call Vegeta a fighting genius during the Android Saga.

And besides that, there was the Majin Vegeta vs Goku fight. The two were equal in sheer power, so the more skilled should have won, yet they were equally matched.

Actually, Goku was holding back significantly. He could have gone Super Saiyain 3 if he wanted to. It's still debatable who the more "skilled" one is, but I'd say Goku. However out of all the characters, I'd say it's a tie between Piccolo and Tenshinhan in terms of who is the most "skilled"

Thanos6 · Post by **Thanos6** » Fri Sep 22, 2006 4:44 pm

No argument there. The humans have always had to have massive skill to compensate for the Saiyans' massive power.

Duo · Post by **Duo** » Sat Sep 23, 2006 5:03 am

Victator Supreme wrote:
And my opinion is that Brolly is grossly overrated. He didn't do anything that most of the other movie villians didn't do. For instance, everyone always points out that he kicked everyone's ass but so did Tullece, Slug, Coola, #13, Bojack, Janenba, and Hildegarn (correct me if I'm wrong as it's been awhile since I've seen some of these). Though for some reason people elevate Brolly to god-like status, even going as far as to say that he could beat some of the high leveled Buu saga characters. I think it's because people like him for the same reason they like Vegeta: He's a Saiyan and he's a badass.
He beat up Trunks, Goku, Gohan, Begeta and Piccolo all at the same time with little effort. He completely no sold a full power kamehameha at point blank range. He's definately in a category all his own power wise.

Yeah? Cooler did something just like that, twice! (in different movies). Let's also not forget Artificial Human #13 in his powered up state. He flinched even less than Broli did at the Dragon Warriors blows.

Broli is nothing special. A Super Saiyan 2 could make sport of him. Let's be realistic.

Godo · Post by **Godo** » Sat Sep 23, 2006 5:54 am

Duo wrote:
Victator Supreme wrote:
And my opinion is that Brolly is grossly overrated. He didn't do anything that most of the other movie villians didn't do. For instance, everyone always points out that he kicked everyone's ass but so did Tullece, Slug, Coola, #13, Bojack, Janenba, and Hildegarn (correct me if I'm wrong as it's been awhile since I've seen some of these). Though for some reason people elevate Brolly to god-like status, even going as far as to say that he could beat some of the high leveled Buu saga characters. I think it's because people like him for the same reason they like Vegeta: He's a Saiyan and he's a badass.
He beat up Trunks, Goku, Gohan, Begeta and Piccolo all at the same time with little effort. He completely no sold a full power kamehameha at point blank range. He's definately in a category all his own power wise.
Yeah? Cooler did something just like that, twice! (in different movies). Let's also not forget Artificial Human #13 in his powered up state. He flinched even then that Broli as several very strong blows.

Broli is nothing special. A Super Saiyan 2 could make sport of him. Let's be realistic.

Amen.

Majin Buu · Post by **Majin Buu** » Sat Sep 23, 2006 12:08 pm

Drunken Master wrote:Vegeta wanted to KILL Goku in that fight. Goku didn't want to kill Vegeta, thus meaning Goku would be defending himself more than taking an offense, which shows in the fight. Goku would block attacks, and then counter-attack in that fight. Goku did nothing skillful in that battle. He didn't even use his IT, which he could have easily beaten Vegeta with. That battle was nothing, Goku's skill shows against people he HAS to kill or stop like Cell, King Piccolo, Piccolo Jr, Freeza, Buu and ect.

To add (though I liked that fight even though it was better in the anime), Goku already had the ability to go SSJ3 as well in that battle so he was most surely holding back (Vegeta himself even calls him out on it). Had Goku truly gone all out Vegeta would be down and out in about 5 seconds.

veshira · Post by **veshira** » Sat Sep 23, 2006 12:41 pm

From worst to best.

I dislike the following:
12. Dr. Wheelo
11. Bio-Broly
10. Bojack and crew

I like these guys:
9. Hildegarn
8. Androids #13, #14 and #15.
7. Tullece
6. Cooler
5. Broly

My top favorites:
4. Janemba
3. Lord Slug
2. Garlic Junior
1. Hitler!

jwimz · Post by **jwimz** » Sat Sep 23, 2006 1:01 pm

Well this is my opinion

1. Garlic Jr.
2. Cooler
3. #13
4. Bojack
5. Broly
6. Janemba
7. Tullece
8. Slug
9. Dr. Wheelo
10. Hildegarn
11. Bio-Broly

Duo · Post by **Duo** » Sat Sep 23, 2006 1:05 pm

Godo wrote:
Duo wrote:
Yeah? Cooler did something just like that, twice! (in different movies). Let's also not forget Artificial Human #13 in his powered up state. He flinched even then that Broli as several very strong blows.

Broli is nothing special. A Super Saiyan 2 could make sport of him. Let's be realistic.
Amen.

Argh, and now I see I totally typo'd and destroyed the 3rd to last sentence in that post! I edited the original post, but the damage is already done...

But yeah, Broli is lame.

veshira · Post by **veshira** » Sat Sep 23, 2006 1:07 pm

jwimz, is your list best to worst, or worst to best? Have I found someone who actually likes Garlic Junior?!

And I just realized. I forgot Hitler! Must revise my list!

Drunken Master · Post by **Drunken Master** » Sat Sep 23, 2006 1:16 pm

Good idea. Mine will be best-to-worst though.

1. Bojack
2. Meta Cooler
3. Janemba
4. Super Android #13
5. Garlic Jr.
6. Slug
7. Cooler
8. Tur1es
9. Broly
10. Hildergarn
11. Dr. Wheelo
12. Bio-Broly

I'm pretty much agreeing with this list. Even though SUper#13 didn't have charisma...he looked badass. And you gotta love this comment...

Trunks: "You Red Ribbon Redneck!"

Duo · Post by **Duo** » Sat Sep 23, 2006 1:29 pm

Drunken Master wrote: Trunks: "You Red Ribbon Redneck!"

AGH! An evil Dubline! Run away!

Why did FUNI decide #13 was a Redneck anyway? He talked like a normal human being the Japanese version (as far as I could tell).

Victator Supreme · Post by **Victator Supreme** » Sat Sep 23, 2006 1:40 pm

Yeah? Cooler did something just like that, twice! (in different movies). Let's also not forget Artificial Human #13 in his powered up state. He flinched even less than Broli did at the Dragon Warriors blows.

Broli is nothing special. A Super Saiyan 2 could make sport of him. Let's be realistic.

Cooler took out Piccolo in a one on one fight. He also took out Goku in kaio ken. But was destroyed by Goku as super saiyan with little effort.

Android 13 in his final form did about as well as Brolli. But Goku and the others were not nearly as powerful as they were in the Brolli movie.

Brolli took out three super saiyans at their maximum power and post Kami merged Piccolo at the same time. Not fighting them one by one, but litterly at the same time. I don't think a super saiyan 2 would be more powerful than those four put together.

veshira · Post by **veshira** » Sat Sep 23, 2006 1:42 pm

Duo wrote:Why did FUNI decide #13 was a Redneck anyway? He talked like a normal human being the Japanese version (as far as I could tell).

For the same reason the dialogue at the end of the movie, between Piccolo and Vegeta, exists?

Piccolo: Is it over?
Vegeta: Not until the fish jumps. [fish jumps out of water] It's over.

Nice. Breaking through the fourth wall with stupid crap like that. I wonder if Chris Sabat did two different takes on that...

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