Dragon Box vs Original Broadcast - The Audio

[Pokewhiz7]

I don't really understand your comment. What are you trying to say, besides sounding amazing?
I usually run these two films through Pro-LogicIIx or THX Neural 7.1 and to my ears, they are quite pleasant.

He's saying that they could have sounded better in theaters.

[Krycek7o2]

I don't really understand your comment. What are you trying to say, besides sounding amazing?
I usually run these two films through Pro-LogicIIx or THX Neural 7.1 and to my ears, they are quite pleasant.

He's saying that they could have sounded better in theaters.

Ah! The wording came iffy to me.

Anyway, on an unrelated note; if anyone is curious, here's my current setup.


I have movies 5/7 and 9 on Laserdisc and the lossless PCM is great.

[Gonstead]

I find it ironic that I make these comparisons... and they're blocked in Japan.

[dbboxkaifan]

I find it ironic that I make these comparisons... and they're blocked in Japan.

Things are looking pretty bad for the YouTubers who upload DBZ/DBK, and it's even becoming pointless to upload videos mirrored because they're even now blocked somewhere in the world (my comparisons were blocked in Japan).

It's not like we're making profit, non-profit actually, they're the ones who'll gain the lucrativeness, as more people watch the videos, the more likely they'll buy either on DVD or Blu-ray.

And Nicktoons is being an expert troll by not airing DBZ Kai Episode 92, they also know we're dying to see it so badly.

[thedarkuniter]

Goddamn, what a difference that broadcast audio makes! That audio kinda reminds me how the US sets of Fist of the North Star sound like which is pretty high. Could it be possible that Toei throw away some master tapes for some shows but not for others?

[kei17]

Could it be possible that Toei throw away some master tapes for some shows but not for others?

They kept the master tapes of the Sailor Moon series because it got VHS/Laserdisc releases of all episodes during the original broadcast.

[dbboxkaifan]

EDIT: if kei17 is willing to share their copies of the original run of DBZ for simple comparison videos, I can take requests for certain scenes.

Couldn't Kei17 release the 291 audios for the Dragon Box video/episodes? This clean audio would be a nice addition.

I ain't complaining that the Dragon Box audio is bad, but clean like this would've been a huge improvement (audio). Toei could make use of this for a future Blu-ray Dragon Box, if Kei17 were to share it with them.

[Krycek7o2]

EDIT: if kei17 is willing to share their copies of the original run of DBZ for simple comparison videos, I can take requests for certain scenes.

Couldn't Kei17 release the 291 audios for the Dragon Box video/episodes? This clean audio would be a nice addition.

I'm pretty sure that will be highly illegal. Besides, at this point it's almost a lost cause unless Toei actually attempts to outsource to locate high quality audio if they do a new remaster. It's been done with many classic films, but it's just that, classic films! It would be great, but I really don't see that happening. I just don't believe Toei see's Dragon Ball in the same way many of us do.

[kei17]

Couldn't Kei17 release the 291 audios for the Dragon Box video/episodes? This clean audio would be a nice addition.

I'm still digitizing episodes. About half of them have been done so far.

I ain't complaining that the Dragon Box audio is bad, but clean like this would've been a huge improvement (audio). Toei could make use of this for a future Blu-ray Dragon Box, if Kei17 were to share it with them.

This summer, actually, I sent Toei a document that recommends them to collect viewers' VHS/Betamax recordings of their old TV shows. I also included a DVD-R containing a DBZ episode from the original broadcast with it. Then, I've got no response. Probably they just disposed of it after after a glance, I guess.

[BlazingFiddlesticks]

Anyway, on an unrelated note; if anyone is curious, here's my current setup.


I have movies 5/7 and 9 on Laserdisc and the lossless PCM is great.

What sound system are you running these through? I have night zero comprehension of how stereo-surround conversion works, nor Laserdisc's sound specs (Is it just dumping extra audio channels?)

(Though the Wii reminded me for the third time today that Xenoblade's finally coming Stateside.)

[Gonstead]

A special mention to kei17, since they made they're own comparison.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UL0HDXyJCkA

[sangofe]

Couldn't Kei17 release the 291 audios for the Dragon Box video/episodes? This clean audio would be a nice addition.

I'm still digitizing episodes. About half of them have been done so far.

I ain't complaining that the Dragon Box audio is bad, but clean like this would've been a huge improvement (audio). Toei could make use of this for a future Blu-ray Dragon Box, if Kei17 were to share it with them.

This summer, actually, I sent Toei a document that recommends them to collect viewers' VHS/Betamax recordings of their old TV shows. I also included a DVD-R containing a DBZ episode from the original broadcast with it. Then, I've got no response. Probably they just disposed of it after after a glance, I guess.

I know I'm reviving an old topic but... Did you have any luck reaching out to Toei or FUNimation, kei17?

[shinmaru]

I'm still working on a public release of vhs audio for DragonBall Z for people to injoy, because Kei17 can't do a public release if he did he will break his promise to the guy he got them from.

[dbboxkaifan]

I'm still working on a public release of vhs audio for DragonBall Z for people to injoy, because Kei17 can't do a public release if he did he will break his promise to the guy he got them from.

... Toei? I thought I read he capped the episodes from the days it was still airing in Japan and so that's how he acquired it.

Shinmaru, that'll be great and I'm sure there'll be people who'll like it but the some of those who were really interested in it either moved on or just don't care about it any more. I've got the US Dragon Boxes Z and while the audio's muffled it's still serviceable plus they just stay on the shelf so it's not like that's bothering me.

If FUNimation makes a new DBZ 4x3 AR release on Blu-ray with that Japanese audio they made it sound much cleaner then I may go for it but they've got to inform the customers why they should buy (don't say funding for an upcoming ultra mega dbz release 'cause the OBs and all alike have done it).

[sangofe]

I'm still working on a public release of vhs audio for DragonBall Z for people to injoy, because Kei17 can't do a public release if he did he will break his promise to the guy he got them from.

Yeah, but you're using vhs fansubs, aren't you? Finding these in great quality is very hard... Btw, are you the guy I e-mailed today...?

... Toei? I thought I read he capped the episodes from the days it was still airing in Japan and so that's how he acquired it.

Yes, that's how. Well, his cousin did. That's the person i made the promess to.

[ParkerAL]

It's a shame Toei can't be bothered to track down these broadcast audio recordings. I mean, when people discover lost episodes of Dr. Who, the BBC gladly accepts back them with open arms. Maybe it's not exactly the cleanest comparison, but it does show it isn't unheard of for media companies to rely on the public to retrieve something they previously discarded.

[shinmaru]

I'm still working on a public release of vhs audio for DragonBall Z for people to injoy, because Kei17 can't do a public release if he did he will break his promise to the guy he got them from.

Yeah, but you're using vhs fansubs, aren't you? Finding these in great quality is very hard... Btw, are you the guy I e-mailed today...?

... Toei? I thought I read he capped the episodes from the days it was still airing in Japan and so that's how he acquired it.

Yes, that's how. Well, his cousin did. That's the person i made the promess to.

No i didn't receive a pm from you?

[noham-el]

Believe.

Kei17, firstly sorry for my broken english, i'm french (and u'know, Frenchs and the English language... yep...).
And secondly, do you have the first serie "Dragon Ball" (with the Kid Goku and these awesome Budokai Tournaments) in your broadcast collection? Or just DBZ & DBGT? Thanks in advance for your holy response ^^ During this time, I will working to improve my English disastrous ^^

I hope to hear one day these stereo (or clear) audio, in maybe a good Bluray release from Funi or something like that. Or in the Internet, one day, before my 99th anniversary...

[kei17]

Kei17, firstly sorry for my broken english, i'm french (and u'know, Frenchs and the English language... yep...).
And secondly, do you have the first serie "Dragon Ball" (with the Kid Goku and these awesome Budokai Tournaments) in your broadcast collection? Or just DBZ & DBGT? Thanks in advance for your holy response ^^ During this time, I will working to improve my English disastrous ^^

I hope to hear one day these stereo (or clear) audio, in maybe a good Bluray release from Funi or something like that. Or in the Internet, one day, before my 99th anniversary...

I have only the first seven episodes of the original Dragon Ball now. I'm getting all the 153 episodes soon, but they're not recorded with a Hi-Fi audio VCR and probably don't sound much better than the optical audio. Hi-Fi VCRs had been pretty expensive until the end of the '80s, so decent recordings of DB are harder to get compared to DBZ.

[LordCrumb]

I'd gift wrap my left nut and personally send it to you for the DBZ episodes you have