The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

[RandomGuy96]

They're at least as strong as the Juniors, but they're most likely stronger going off their spars with Gohan and Vegeta.

[Darkron2151]

More Matches!!

• Hypothetical Freeza (Fifth Form) vs. Super Saiyan Vegeta (Android Saga)
  
  *EDIT* Super Saiyan Gohan (Buu Saga) vs Super Saiyan Goten and Trunks (Buu Saga/Post ROSAT)
  
  Piccolo (Android Saga) vs Mecha Freeza (100%)

And for a special one:

• Super Bojack and Crew ( No Gokua ) vs. Perfect Cell and Three Cell Juniors

[Kaboom]

More Matches!!

• Hypothetical Freeza (Fifth Form) vs. Super Saiyan Vegeta (Android Saga)
  Super Saiyan Gohan (Cell Games) vs Super Saiyan Goten and Trunks (Buu Saga/Pre ROSAT)
  Piccolo (Android Saga) vs Mecha Freeza (100%)

And for a special one:

• Super Bojack and Crew ( No Gokua ) vs. Perfect Cell and Three Cell Juniors

1) With the "super" form, Freeza ends up about as strong as Super Saiyan Goku or Future Trunks were... which is still quite a bit weaker than the Super Saiyans have become after three years, especially Vegeta in the top spot. So Freeza gets whooped.
2) The twerps get wrecked. This Gohan has a large power advantage over either of them, and his skills haven't yet degraded from seven years of inactivity.
3) Freeza gets thrashed. I consider Piccolo at least a small margin in power above the SS Future Trunks who killed Freeza.
4) Bojack's crew seem to rely on teamwork a lot, using strength in numbers and their power-draining psychic stringamahoozits to gang up on one or two opponents at a time. But if each lackey is up against a single Cell Junior, they won't be able to take advantage of that. So the Juniors take some time to beat the crew with moderate difficulty, while full-power Cell likewise wears down and defeats buffed-up Bojack himself.

[Darkron2151]

1) With the "super" form, Freeza ends up about as strong as Super Saiyan Goku or Future Trunks were... which is still quite a bit weaker than the Super Saiyans have become after three years, especially Vegeta in the top spot. So Freeza gets whooped.
2) The twerps get wrecked. This Gohan has a large power advantage over either of them, and his skills haven't yet degraded from seven years of inactivity.

1. Hm....you know, I set this fight up giving the "Super" Form a 2x multiplier, which IMO bring Freeza much closer to Vegeta (24 vs. 25). But now I kinda like the idea that all "Super" Forms get a x1.5 multiplier (Freeza's species, Bojack's species, etc) So with that, I'll give a new match-up:

• Hypothetical "Super" Form Freeza vs. Super Saiyan Goku (Arrival of Future Trunks)

2. Yeeeeeeaaah, probably should replace that with Buu Saga Gohan then . I'll even make the Dynamic Duo Post ROSAT (no fusion of course).

[RandomGuy96]

More Matches!!

• Hypothetical Freeza (Fifth Form) vs. Super Saiyan Vegeta (Android Saga)
  
  *EDIT* Super Saiyan Gohan (Buu Saga) vs Super Saiyan Goten and Trunks (Buu Saga/Post ROSAT)
  
  Piccolo (Android Saga) vs Mecha Freeza (100%)

And for a special one:

• Super Bojack and Crew ( No Gokua ) vs. Perfect Cell and Three Cell Juniors

This Freeza would be even stronger than 16 IMO. He wrecks everyone in the android arc. The only exception would be if 16 and Cell ganged up on him. I have that transformation as a x5 boost. Freeza's buff form is the one with the x1.5 boost.

According to official sources, Buu arc Gohan, Cell Games Gohan, and the post-ROSAT kids are all the same strength. I don't know if I fully buy that, but if it is true, then Gohan loses.

Piccolo, but it's not a stance I feel strongly about.

I think Perfect Cell is a good deal stronger than "Super" Bojack. If it was Bojack and his gang vs Cell, they might be able to take it. But Cell + 3 mini-Cells? That's out of their league. Cell would defeat Bojack with little trouble while his kids slowly overwhelm the gang.

[Kid Buu]

Ninja Muarasaki, Android 8, General Blue, & Mercenary Tao enter Baba's tournament. No Grandpa Gohan for this.

[White Oni]

Patara fusion between Frieza and cooler (same rival boost as vegetto)

Vs

Fusion dance trunks/android saga ssj Goku( against 19 but not sick) and ssj vegeta (against 19)

[Hugo Boss]

Patara fusion between Freeza and cooler (same rival boost as vegetto)

Vs

Fusion dance trunks/android saga ssj Goku( against 19 but not sick) and ssj vegeta (against 19)

Freecoo would be stronger than Base Vegetto, maybe even stronger than Gohan Boo. (Android Saga) SS Gogeta would be weaker than SS Gotenks. I think SS Gogeta from the 12th DBZ's movie would be a better match.

[KentalSSJ6]

Saiyan, Namek, and Cell arc Vegetto all run the gauntlet. Which being eventually equals and/or defeats him?

[RandomGuy96]

Patara fusion between Freeza and cooler (same rival boost as vegetto)

Vs

Fusion dance trunks/android saga ssj Goku( against 19 but not sick) and ssj vegeta (against 19)

The so called "rival boost" is a myth. Anyway, Potara is ridiculously superior to fusion. Coolza murders Gogeta without even having to use his transformation. Heck, if you believe Elder Kaioshin and Beerus, Coolza would be stronger than Gohan-Buu (Buutenks < base Gokan = base Vegetto =< Buuhan).

[White Oni]

woah, where is everyone getting base vegetto > buuhan.

[RandomGuy96]

woah, where is everyone getting base vegetto > buuhan.

Base Vegetto should be at the very most around Buuhan's strength (he had to transform, after all), but base Gokan is stated to be stronger than Gotenks-Buu. Base Gokan should be around as strong as base Vegetto.

[White Oni]

woah, where is everyone getting base vegetto > buuhan.

Base Vegetto should be at the very most around Buuhan's strength (he had to transform, after all), but base Gokan is stated to be stronger than Gotenks-Buu. Base Gokan should be around as strong as base Vegetto.

that doesn't answer my question at all.

Base Gokan is an entirely beast from base vegetto, because of the ritual

[RandomGuy96]

woah, where is everyone getting base vegetto > buuhan.

Base Vegetto should be at the very most around Buuhan's strength (he had to transform, after all), but base Gokan is stated to be stronger than Gotenks-Buu. Base Gokan should be around as strong as base Vegetto.

that doesn't answer my question at all.

Base Gokan is an entirely beast from base vegetto, because of the ritual

Gohan's Ultimate form has nothing to do with it. Elder Kaioshin is talking about his base. He's saying "The Potara is so powerful that you probably won't even need Super Saiyan, you can beat him in base!", not "The Potara is so powerful that you definitely don't need Super Saiyan, you need the form that's way stronger than any level of Super Saiyan".

[rereboy]

Gohan is so much stronger than Vegeta at that point that I believe that, even if Gokhan would lose some power due to not having the same rival boost as Vegetto, the power he would gain thanks to Gohan's superior power would more than make up for it, making him stronger than Veggeto at every form.

[DBZGTKOSDH]

He thought base Gotenks could win, not SS Gotenks.

He did, actually.

Chapter: 490 (DBZ 296), P12.7
Context: after Gotenks fights Boo a bit, and head-butts him
Piccolo: “He…he just might…possibly be able to de-defeat him…!”

That's on a different level from just not putting full strength in.

Proof?

I agree, but I think that's because he wasn't using ki to defend himself. In other words, his ki was drastically suppressed.

I disagree. I don't see it like this. I see it as an ability similar to his liquifiqation, which doesn't have anything to do with his battle power from what we know.

That's not really suggested anywhere, and 1/8 of your power being easy to suppress and 1/400 not being comfortable seems totally arbitrary, especially considering how Trunks casually walks around with a power level of 5.

I'm talking about having a serious fight, not walking around or fighting super weak opponents.

[SSJ God Gogeta]

Since Broly got ssj4 in DBH his fan base has gone out of control saying that broly can now take on the whole DB universe with his eyes closed and two hands tied behind his back which is BS . People over hype broly way to much but anyway who would win.........

ssj4 Broly

VS.

ssj4 Goku, ssj4 Vegeta, ssj3 adult Gotenks, Piccolo, Pikkon

The answer is obvious but I would like to hear what you guys have to say.

Personally I think Broly gets blasted into the sun in the first minute.

[RandomGuy96]

He did, actually.

Chapter: 490 (DBZ 296), P12.7
Context: after Gotenks fights Boo a bit, and head-butts him
Piccolo: “He…he just might…possibly be able to de-defeat him…!”

He thought SS Gotenks could win because of the feats he was witnessing. Base Gotenks is the one he thought could win off pure ki sensing.

I disagree. I don't see it like this. I see it as an ability similar to his liquifiqation, which doesn't have anything to do with his battle power from what we know.

I disagree. I think he was just suppressing his ki like every other fighter in the series, and wasn't doing some other thing we don't know about that is never mentioned in any official source.

Proof?

Not hitting quite as hard or moving quite as fast as you could =/= inexplicably being less durable. Also, even a regular ol' x2 difference would be so massive in DB terms that the opponent would be standing still from your perspective. You have to lower your power for such a foe to have a chance against you, you can't simply not try.

I'm talking about having a serious fight, not walking around or fighting super weak opponents.

But you just said it wasn't serious.

Ninja Muarasaki, Android 8, General Blue, & Mercenary Tao enter Baba's tournament. No Grandpa Gohan for this.

Dracula and Invisible Man would be weaker than Yamcha and Krillin, who both Tao and Blue were greatly superior to, so they could go right through them. The Mummy was implied to be around Goku's level prior to Karin training, so he beats Blue and loses to Tao. Devilman is too strong for any of them. 8 could probably just go as far as Blue, and I don't see Murasaki beating any of them.

[KentalSSJ6]

Since Broly got ssj4 in DBH his fan base has gone out of control saying that broly can now take on the whole DB universe with his eyes closed and two hands tied behind his back which is BS . People over hype broly way to much but anyway who would win.........

ssj4 Broly

VS.

ssj4 Goku, ssj4 Vegeta, ssj3 adult Gotenks, Piccolo, Paikuhan

The answer is obvious but I would like to hear what you guys have to say.

Personally I think Broly gets blasted into the sun in the first minute.

Piccolo is useless here. GT Gotenks is no stronger if not weaker than Z Gotenks. This new Paikuhan's power is unkown at the moment and the trailer shows Broly handling Goku and Vegeta with ease. Depending on Paikuhan's new power, Broly may very well win (and you have no idea how much I hate saying that.)

[SSJ God Gogeta]

Since Broly got ssj4 in DBH his fan base has gone out of control saying that broly can now take on the whole DB universe with his eyes closed and two hands tied behind his back which is BS . People over hype broly way to much but anyway who would win.........

ssj4 Broly

VS.

ssj4 Goku, ssj4 Vegeta, ssj3 adult Gotenks, Piccolo, Paikuhan

The answer is obvious but I would like to hear what you guys have to say.

Personally I think Broly gets blasted into the sun in the first minute.

Piccolo is useless here. GT Gotenks is no stronger if not weaker than Z Gotenks. This new Paikuhan's power is unkown at the moment and the trailer shows Broly handling Goku and Vegeta with ease. Depending on Paikuhan's new power, Broly may very well win (and you have no idea how much I hate saying that.)

Well I think if they combined there power one blast could kill broly if not weaken him so they can finish him off.
Plus I don't think Piccolo is completely useless he could be a good distraction. Hell i'm pretty sure his makankosappo can do some damage to him.