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by DBZGTKOSDH » Tue Oct 07, 2014 5:30 am
RandomGuy96 wrote:He thought SS Gotenks could win because of the feats he was witnessing. Base Gotenks is the one he thought could win off pure ki sensing.
If Boo wasn't suppressing his ki, wouldn't Piccolo have lost hope ever since the beginning? This isn't like with base Gotenks were he was impressed with Gotenks' gains for a moment while Boo was apparently relaxed & suppressed, the fight had already begun at that point.
I disagree. I think he was just suppressing his ki like every other fighter in the series, and wasn't doing some other thing we don't know about that is never mentioned in any official source.
How do we know nothing about his ability? We've seen him liquifing his body before, so doing it on a smaller scale isn't unreasonable, especially when he is shown to have complete control over his body: he can change his face, he can liquify his body, he can control parts of his body from distance, he can transform multiple parts of his body into minature versions of himself. Compared to all these feats, letting the bullets pass through his body isn't anything impressive, nor anything crazy to assume.
James Teal (Animerica 1996) wrote:When you think about it, there are a number of similarities between the Chinese-inspired Son Goku and that most American of superhero icons, Superman. Both are aliens sent to Earth shortly after birth to escape the destruction of their homeworlds; both possess super-strength, flight, super-speed, heightened senses and the ability to cast energy blasts. But the crucial difference between them lies not only in how they view the world, but in how the world views them.
Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.
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by KentalSSJ6 » Tue Oct 07, 2014 11:21 am
SSJ God Gogeta wrote:KentalSSJ6 wrote:SSJ God Gogeta wrote:Since Broly got ssj4 in DBH his fan base has gone out of control saying that broly can now take on the whole DB universe with his eyes closed and two hands tied behind his back which is BS
. People over hype broly way to much but anyway who would win.........
ssj4 Broly
VS.
ssj4 Goku, ssj4 Vegeta, ssj3 adult Gotenks, Piccolo, Paikuhan
The answer is obvious but I would like to hear what you guys have to say.
Personally I think Broly gets blasted into the sun in the first minute.
Piccolo is useless here. GT Gotenks is no stronger if not weaker than Z Gotenks. This new Paikuhan's power is unkown at the moment and the trailer shows Broly handling Goku and Vegeta with ease. Depending on Paikuhan's new power, Broly may very well win (and you have no idea how much I hate saying that.)
Well I think if they combined there power one blast
could kill broly if not weaken him so they can finish him off.
Plus I don't think Piccolo is completely useless he could be a good distraction. Hell i'm pretty sure his makankosappo can do
some damage to him.
Correct me if I'm wrong but Piccolo didnt get stronger from EOZ to GT, that or his gains were very small. Even by the Buu saga he pretty much left it all to the Saiyans because he knew he'd be no help. Does he even fight in GT at all? GT Gotenks is kinda useless here as well, having Gohan would have been more viable as GT Perfect Files said he at least kept up with his training while the boys slacked off big time. If Gohan didn't slack off while the boys did, he should still be stronger than their SSJ3 fusion like he was during Buu.
Now ignoring what was shown in the trailer, I personally believe Goku and Vegeta could take Broly down one on one if they fought smart due to the difference in base power. If we use the B3 VJump scan and Kaboom's LSSJ multiplier than Broly's base should only be 14 million. That is pitiful in comparison to Goku and Vegeta by the time GT comes along.
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by RandomGuy96 » Tue Oct 07, 2014 1:13 pm
If Boo wasn't suppressing his ki, wouldn't Piccolo have lost hope ever since the beginning? This isn't like with base Gotenks were he was impressed with Gotenks' gains for a moment while Boo was apparently relaxed & suppressed, the fight had already begun at that point.
No, because he wasn't sensing Buu's ki at that moment. He just saw Gotenks hurt Buu a bit and thought that MAYBE Gotenks could win based off that. After Gotenks seems to beat Buu with the Super Ghost Kamikazes, Piccolo admits he didn't think Gotenks could win. So, it just seems like SS Gotenks was close enough to maybe-kinda-possibly-not really have a chance, and that gave Piccolo hope.
How do we know nothing about his ability? We've seen him liquifing his body before, so doing it on a smaller scale isn't unreasonable, especially when he is shown to have complete control over his body: he can change his face, he can liquify his body, he can control parts of his body from distance, he can transform multiple parts of his body into minature versions of himself. Compared to all these feats, letting the bullets pass through his body isn't anything impressive, nor anything crazy to assume
I don't think it's "crazy", just unfounded and unnecessary when he could just be doing what every other fighter does and what he's shown himself to be capable of doing, suppressing his ki.
The Monkey King wrote:RandomGuy96 wrote:dbgtFO wrote:
Please elaborate as I do not know what you mean by "pushing Vegeta's destruction"
He's probably referring to the Bardock special. Zarbon was the one who first recommended destroying Planet Vegeta because the saiyans were rapidly growing in strength.
It was actually Beerus disguised as Zarbon #StayWoke
Herms wrote:The fact that the ridiculous power inflation is presented so earnestly makes me just roll my eyes and snicker. Like with Freeza, where he starts off over 10 times stronger than all his henchmen except Ginyu (because...well, just because), then we find out he can transform and get even more powerful, and then he reveals he can transform two more times, before finally coming out with the fact that he hasn't even been using anywhere near 50% of his power. Oh, and he can survive in the vacuum of space. All this stuff is just presented as the way Freeza is, without even an attempt at rationalizing it, yet the tone dictates we're supposed to take all this silly grasping at straws as thrilling danger. So I guess I don't really take the power inflation in the Boo arc seriously, but I don't take the power inflation in earlier arcs seriously either, so there's no net loss of seriousness. I think a silly story presented as serious is harder to accept than a silly story presented as silly.
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by DBZGTKOSDH » Tue Oct 07, 2014 1:45 pm
RandomGuy96 wrote:No, because he wasn't sensing Buu's ki at that moment.
So, he didn't sense Boo's ki during the whole fight because...? In every other fight, everyone, including Piccolo, sense their opponents', and their ally's, ki to tell who is stronger than who. Why wouldn't Piccolo do it in such an important fight?
James Teal (Animerica 1996) wrote:When you think about it, there are a number of similarities between the Chinese-inspired Son Goku and that most American of superhero icons, Superman. Both are aliens sent to Earth shortly after birth to escape the destruction of their homeworlds; both possess super-strength, flight, super-speed, heightened senses and the ability to cast energy blasts. But the crucial difference between them lies not only in how they view the world, but in how the world views them.
Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.
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by RandomGuy96 » Tue Oct 07, 2014 2:35 pm
DBZGTKOSDH wrote:RandomGuy96 wrote:No, because he wasn't sensing Buu's ki at that moment.
So, he didn't sense Boo's ki during the whole fight because...? In every other fight, everyone, including Piccolo, sense their opponents', and their ally's, ki to tell who is stronger than who. Why wouldn't Piccolo do it in such an important fight?
Him not commenting on Gotenks' chances until Gotenks lands that hit implies he didn't know how they stacked up against each other.
Also, by this logic, he should have commented on Buu's power increasing enormously during this supposed invisible power-up... but he never does.
The Monkey King wrote:RandomGuy96 wrote:dbgtFO wrote:
Please elaborate as I do not know what you mean by "pushing Vegeta's destruction"
He's probably referring to the Bardock special. Zarbon was the one who first recommended destroying Planet Vegeta because the saiyans were rapidly growing in strength.
It was actually Beerus disguised as Zarbon #StayWoke
Herms wrote:The fact that the ridiculous power inflation is presented so earnestly makes me just roll my eyes and snicker. Like with Freeza, where he starts off over 10 times stronger than all his henchmen except Ginyu (because...well, just because), then we find out he can transform and get even more powerful, and then he reveals he can transform two more times, before finally coming out with the fact that he hasn't even been using anywhere near 50% of his power. Oh, and he can survive in the vacuum of space. All this stuff is just presented as the way Freeza is, without even an attempt at rationalizing it, yet the tone dictates we're supposed to take all this silly grasping at straws as thrilling danger. So I guess I don't really take the power inflation in the Boo arc seriously, but I don't take the power inflation in earlier arcs seriously either, so there's no net loss of seriousness. I think a silly story presented as serious is harder to accept than a silly story presented as silly.
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by DBZGTKOSDH » Tue Oct 07, 2014 2:43 pm
RandomGuy96 wrote:Him not commenting on Gotenks' chances until Gotenks lands that hit implies he didn't know how they stacked up against each other.
Because Boo was suppressing his power.
Also, by this logic, he should have commented on Buu's power increasing enormously during this supposed invisible power-up... but he never does.
He does through his actions: he destroys the door of the RoSaT.
James Teal (Animerica 1996) wrote:When you think about it, there are a number of similarities between the Chinese-inspired Son Goku and that most American of superhero icons, Superman. Both are aliens sent to Earth shortly after birth to escape the destruction of their homeworlds; both possess super-strength, flight, super-speed, heightened senses and the ability to cast energy blasts. But the crucial difference between them lies not only in how they view the world, but in how the world views them.
Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.
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by RandomGuy96 » Tue Oct 07, 2014 5:57 pm
DBZGTKOSDH wrote:RandomGuy96 wrote:Him not commenting on Gotenks' chances until Gotenks lands that hit implies he didn't know how they stacked up against each other.
Because Boo was suppressing his power.
Also, by this logic, he should have commented on Buu's power increasing enormously during this supposed invisible power-up... but he never does.
He does through his actions: he destroys the door of the RoSaT.
1. Proof?
2. He would still be able to sense Buu's suppressed power.
3. No, he doesn't. He destroyed the ROSAT door because Gotenks' last attack didn't work, and Gotenks told Piccolo he was out of energy and couldn't win.
The Monkey King wrote:RandomGuy96 wrote:dbgtFO wrote:
Please elaborate as I do not know what you mean by "pushing Vegeta's destruction"
He's probably referring to the Bardock special. Zarbon was the one who first recommended destroying Planet Vegeta because the saiyans were rapidly growing in strength.
It was actually Beerus disguised as Zarbon #StayWoke
Herms wrote:The fact that the ridiculous power inflation is presented so earnestly makes me just roll my eyes and snicker. Like with Freeza, where he starts off over 10 times stronger than all his henchmen except Ginyu (because...well, just because), then we find out he can transform and get even more powerful, and then he reveals he can transform two more times, before finally coming out with the fact that he hasn't even been using anywhere near 50% of his power. Oh, and he can survive in the vacuum of space. All this stuff is just presented as the way Freeza is, without even an attempt at rationalizing it, yet the tone dictates we're supposed to take all this silly grasping at straws as thrilling danger. So I guess I don't really take the power inflation in the Boo arc seriously, but I don't take the power inflation in earlier arcs seriously either, so there's no net loss of seriousness. I think a silly story presented as serious is harder to accept than a silly story presented as silly.
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by DBZGTKOSDH » Wed Oct 08, 2014 10:11 am
RandomGuy96 wrote:1. Proof?
It would be extremely stupid, and unrealistic, from Piccolo to not sense Boo's power during the whole fight.
Can you prove that Boo wasn't suppressed?
2. He would still be able to sense Buu's suppressed power.
Never said he didn't, but he should be able to tell if he is suppressed or not, so he didn't know Boo's actual power. Which is why he goes by what he sees, and what Gotenks can do to him.
3. No, he doesn't. He destroyed the ROSAT door because Gotenks' last attack didn't work, and Gotenks told Piccolo he was out of energy and couldn't win.
Which suggests even more that Boo was suppressing his power, and that Piccolo didn't learn how strong Boo trully is, until Boo fought SS3 Gotenks.
James Teal (Animerica 1996) wrote:When you think about it, there are a number of similarities between the Chinese-inspired Son Goku and that most American of superhero icons, Superman. Both are aliens sent to Earth shortly after birth to escape the destruction of their homeworlds; both possess super-strength, flight, super-speed, heightened senses and the ability to cast energy blasts. But the crucial difference between them lies not only in how they view the world, but in how the world views them.
Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.
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by RandomGuy96 » Thu Oct 09, 2014 12:30 am
It would be extremely stupid, and unrealistic, from Piccolo to not sense Boo's power during the whole fight. Can you prove that Boo wasn't suppressed?
1. You're assuming Piccolo didn't anyway, since he never commented on Buu's power rising at any point.
2. Can you prove that he was? I've already pointed out how utterly nonsensical and out of character for everyone involved that would be (including the author).
Never said he didn't, but he should be able to tell if he is suppressed or not, so he didn't know Boo's actual power. Which is why he goes by what he sees, and what Gotenks can do to him.
Why would Piccolo be able to tell if Buu was suppressed?
Which suggests even more that Boo was suppressing his power, and that Piccolo didn't learn how strong Boo trully is, until Boo fought SS3 Gotenks.
What? No, that doesn't suggest Buu being suppressed at all. Gotenks just told him that he could no longer fight due to using up the last bits of his power, and Piccolo panicked. If anything, him only panicking then, and thinking Gotenks might possibly have a chance earlier despite being clearly outmatched, points to SS Gotenks being not many times weaker than Buu.
The Monkey King wrote:RandomGuy96 wrote:dbgtFO wrote:
Please elaborate as I do not know what you mean by "pushing Vegeta's destruction"
He's probably referring to the Bardock special. Zarbon was the one who first recommended destroying Planet Vegeta because the saiyans were rapidly growing in strength.
It was actually Beerus disguised as Zarbon #StayWoke
Herms wrote:The fact that the ridiculous power inflation is presented so earnestly makes me just roll my eyes and snicker. Like with Freeza, where he starts off over 10 times stronger than all his henchmen except Ginyu (because...well, just because), then we find out he can transform and get even more powerful, and then he reveals he can transform two more times, before finally coming out with the fact that he hasn't even been using anywhere near 50% of his power. Oh, and he can survive in the vacuum of space. All this stuff is just presented as the way Freeza is, without even an attempt at rationalizing it, yet the tone dictates we're supposed to take all this silly grasping at straws as thrilling danger. So I guess I don't really take the power inflation in the Boo arc seriously, but I don't take the power inflation in earlier arcs seriously either, so there's no net loss of seriousness. I think a silly story presented as serious is harder to accept than a silly story presented as silly.
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by DBZGTKOSDH » Thu Oct 09, 2014 2:04 pm
RandomGuy96 wrote:You're assuming Piccolo didn't anyway, since he never commented on Buu's power rising at any point.
He did comment on Boo's power when he compared it to SS3 Gotenks' power.
2. Can you prove that he was? I've already pointed out how utterly nonsensical and out of character for everyone involved that would be (including the author).
SS Gotenks could avoid Boo's hits, damage him with his Super Ghost Kamikaze Attack, hit him & cause him a minor injury, and Piccolo believed that SS Gotenks had a chance to beat him. He was even more suppressed before, since Piccolo thought for a moment that Gotenks could win in base.
Why would Piccolo be able to tell if Buu was suppressed?
My bad, forget what I said.
If anything, him only panicking then, and thinking Gotenks might possibly have a chance earlier despite being clearly outmatched, points to SS Gotenks being not many times weaker than Buu.
But this is impossible, because SS3 Gotenks is stated to be at least as strong as Boo, and later almost killed Boo, implying that while he is stronger than him, he is less than 2 times stronger. Which would mean that SS Gotenks would be x8 weaker than Boo.
James Teal (Animerica 1996) wrote:When you think about it, there are a number of similarities between the Chinese-inspired Son Goku and that most American of superhero icons, Superman. Both are aliens sent to Earth shortly after birth to escape the destruction of their homeworlds; both possess super-strength, flight, super-speed, heightened senses and the ability to cast energy blasts. But the crucial difference between them lies not only in how they view the world, but in how the world views them.
Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.
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by ZombieVito » Thu Oct 09, 2014 10:05 pm
KentalSSJ6 wrote:
Correct me if I'm wrong but Piccolo didnt get stronger from EOZ to GT, that or his gains were very small. Even by the Buu saga he pretty much left it all to the Saiyans because he knew he'd be no help. Does he even fight in GT at all?
Piccolo became the guardian of hell, the same hell that had a powered up Cell and Rildo (Who trashed Base Gohan).
Piccolo made amazing gains from Z to GT.
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by RandomGuy96 » Thu Oct 09, 2014 11:18 pm
He did comment on Boo's power when he compared it to SS3 Gotenks' power.
You're assuming Piccolo didn't anyway, since he never commented on Buu's power rising at any point.
SS Gotenks could avoid Boo's hits, damage him with his Super Ghost Kamikaze Attack, hit him & cause him a minor injury, and Piccolo believed that SS Gotenks had a chance to beat him. He was even more suppressed before, since Piccolo thought for a moment that Gotenks could win in base.
Or he was never suppressed, and that first occasion was just a gag.
But this is impossible, because SS3 Gotenks is stated to be at least as strong as Boo, and later almost killed Boo, implying that while he is stronger than him, he is less than 2 times stronger. Which would mean that SS Gotenks would be x8 weaker than Boo.
Or, as implied numerous times, the multipliers aren't as large for Gotenks.
The Monkey King wrote:RandomGuy96 wrote:dbgtFO wrote:
Please elaborate as I do not know what you mean by "pushing Vegeta's destruction"
He's probably referring to the Bardock special. Zarbon was the one who first recommended destroying Planet Vegeta because the saiyans were rapidly growing in strength.
It was actually Beerus disguised as Zarbon #StayWoke
Herms wrote:The fact that the ridiculous power inflation is presented so earnestly makes me just roll my eyes and snicker. Like with Freeza, where he starts off over 10 times stronger than all his henchmen except Ginyu (because...well, just because), then we find out he can transform and get even more powerful, and then he reveals he can transform two more times, before finally coming out with the fact that he hasn't even been using anywhere near 50% of his power. Oh, and he can survive in the vacuum of space. All this stuff is just presented as the way Freeza is, without even an attempt at rationalizing it, yet the tone dictates we're supposed to take all this silly grasping at straws as thrilling danger. So I guess I don't really take the power inflation in the Boo arc seriously, but I don't take the power inflation in earlier arcs seriously either, so there's no net loss of seriousness. I think a silly story presented as serious is harder to accept than a silly story presented as silly.
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by DBZGTKOSDH » Fri Oct 10, 2014 9:03 am
RandomGuy96 wrote:]You're assuming Piccolo didn't anyway, since he never commented on Buu's power rising at any point.
Boo most likely went full power when he fought SS3 Gotenks. Piccolo doesn't have any reason to be amazed or terrified by Boo's power at that point, because he had already realized that he was much stronger than SS Gotenks by the end of their fight, and Gotenks was already at least as strong as Boo.
Or, as implied numerous times, the multipliers aren't as large for Gotenks.
It's not even hinted anywhere (manga or its guidebooks) that Gotenks gets smaller multipliers than anyone else, and he has no reason to get smaller multipliers. It's only infered if you want to assume that Boo was going all out against SS Gotenks... but I don't get why you can't assume that Boo was suppressed.
James Teal (Animerica 1996) wrote:When you think about it, there are a number of similarities between the Chinese-inspired Son Goku and that most American of superhero icons, Superman. Both are aliens sent to Earth shortly after birth to escape the destruction of their homeworlds; both possess super-strength, flight, super-speed, heightened senses and the ability to cast energy blasts. But the crucial difference between them lies not only in how they view the world, but in how the world views them.
Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.
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by RandomGuy96 » Fri Oct 10, 2014 1:10 pm
DBZGTKOSDH wrote:RandomGuy96 wrote:]You're assuming Piccolo didn't anyway, since he never commented on Buu's power rising at any point.
Boo most likely went full power when he fought SS3 Gotenks. Piccolo doesn't have any reason to be amazed or terrified by Boo's power at that point, because he had already realized that he was much stronger than SS Gotenks by the end of their fight, and Gotenks was already at least as strong as Boo.
Or, as implied numerous times, the multipliers aren't as large for Gotenks.
It's not even hinted anywhere (manga or its guidebooks) that Gotenks gets smaller multipliers than anyone else, and he has no reason to get smaller multipliers. It's only infered if you want to assume that Boo was going all out against SS Gotenks... but I don't get why you can't assume that Boo was suppressed.
Do you have any proof? He never commented on Buu's power getting bigger at any point. There is no point where not commenting on it would make sense. If it was inside the ROSAT, he wouldn't have needed to hear Gotenks say he was out of power, he'd just scream that Buu just got many times stronger. If it was outside the ROSAT, he'd first think Gotenks could one-shot Buu after sensing his SS3 and then get worried when Buu powered up outside.
Except in the Genki Dama scene, the guidebook saying Buu absorbed SK's power, Pure Buu + someone weaker than Mr. Buu being stated as stronger than Super Buu who was on par with SS3 Gotenks, and the fight between SS Gotenks and Super Buu.
The Monkey King wrote:RandomGuy96 wrote:dbgtFO wrote:
Please elaborate as I do not know what you mean by "pushing Vegeta's destruction"
He's probably referring to the Bardock special. Zarbon was the one who first recommended destroying Planet Vegeta because the saiyans were rapidly growing in strength.
It was actually Beerus disguised as Zarbon #StayWoke
Herms wrote:The fact that the ridiculous power inflation is presented so earnestly makes me just roll my eyes and snicker. Like with Freeza, where he starts off over 10 times stronger than all his henchmen except Ginyu (because...well, just because), then we find out he can transform and get even more powerful, and then he reveals he can transform two more times, before finally coming out with the fact that he hasn't even been using anywhere near 50% of his power. Oh, and he can survive in the vacuum of space. All this stuff is just presented as the way Freeza is, without even an attempt at rationalizing it, yet the tone dictates we're supposed to take all this silly grasping at straws as thrilling danger. So I guess I don't really take the power inflation in the Boo arc seriously, but I don't take the power inflation in earlier arcs seriously either, so there's no net loss of seriousness. I think a silly story presented as serious is harder to accept than a silly story presented as silly.
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by hleV » Fri Oct 10, 2014 1:16 pm
Piccolo was retarded inside ROSAT. Treat the whole sequence as a gag.
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by KentalSSJ6 » Fri Oct 10, 2014 1:16 pm
Zombie wrote:KentalSSJ6 wrote:
Correct me if I'm wrong but Piccolo didnt get stronger from EOZ to GT, that or his gains were very small. Even by the Buu saga he pretty much left it all to the Saiyans because he knew he'd be no help. Does he even fight in GT at all?
Piccolo became the guardian of hell, the same hell that had a powered up Cell and Rildo (Who trashed Base Gohan).
Piccolo made amazing gains from Z to GT.
But nothing that suggests he registers on a SSJ2+ tier in GT, especially with Base GT Goku > Z SSJ3 Goku. At the most, I'd say GT Piccolo can take on the Saiyans in base but when that hair goes blonde, he won't last very long.
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by Saiga » Sat Oct 11, 2014 2:06 am
Eh I wouldn't say Rildo trashed base Gohan, it was the metal breath thingy that gave him trouble. And base Gohan was definitely far above Piccolo in the Baby arc.
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by ZombieVito » Sat Oct 11, 2014 5:05 pm
In any case he is stronger than Cell and he was SSJ2 tier in Z. Rildo was also stated to be in a tier similar to Buu.
GT did something right and buffed Piccolo.
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by DBZGTKOSDH » Sat Oct 11, 2014 5:11 pm
RandomGuy96 wrote:Do you have any proof? He never commented on Buu's power getting bigger at any point. There is no point where not commenting on it would make sense. If it was inside the ROSAT, he wouldn't have needed to hear Gotenks say he was out of power, he'd just scream that Buu just got many times stronger. If it was outside the ROSAT, he'd first think Gotenks could one-shot Buu after sensing his SS3 and then get worried when Buu powered up outside.
We don't need Piccolo to tell us that Boo's power increased. Apparently, it increases outside of the RoSaT, when he fought SS3 Gotenks. Inside the RoSaT, yes. But outside, the fight itself shows it on its own.
Except in the Genki Dama scene, the guidebook saying Buu absorbed SK's power, Pure Buu + someone weaker than Mr. Buu being stated as stronger than Super Buu who was on par with SS3 Gotenks, and the fight between SS Gotenks and Super Buu.
How do all these imply that imply that Gotenks gets so small multipliers for... some reason?
James Teal (Animerica 1996) wrote:When you think about it, there are a number of similarities between the Chinese-inspired Son Goku and that most American of superhero icons, Superman. Both are aliens sent to Earth shortly after birth to escape the destruction of their homeworlds; both possess super-strength, flight, super-speed, heightened senses and the ability to cast energy blasts. But the crucial difference between them lies not only in how they view the world, but in how the world views them.
Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.
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by Saiga » Sat Oct 11, 2014 5:44 pm
Zombie wrote:In any case he is stronger than Cell and he was SSJ2 tier in Z. Rildo was also stated to be in a tier similar to Buu.
GT did something right and buffed Piccolo.
Well yeah, but everyone got buffed by a huge degree in GT. I don't think there's anything right in unmentioned, illogical buffs happening across the board.
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