Fanmanga - DB Multiverse

[RandomGuy96]

Depends on the contradiction and who's done it. You're comparing fully endorsed licensed products to a fan made story. If nothing else, the events I've mentioned happened in the game's continuity, or at least Supersonic Warriors' multiple continuities, which are licensed products that fit into the franchise whether we like it or not. Multiverse is a fan manga that we can easily ignore, along with any shitty characters and contradictions.

Again, what does this have to do with the what-if story in Supersonic Warriors being bad? I was saying that replacing the DBM what-if with the SW what-if wouldn't be any better, since they both suck and are contradictory to the manga.

[DNA]

Again, what does this have to do with the what-if story in Supersonic Warriors being bad? I was saying that replacing the DBM what-if with the SW what-if wouldn't be any better, since they both suck and are contradictory to the manga.

And as I've said, many times, I happen to think that the Supersonic Warriors story would be the better option out of the two. As I happen to think that that story isn't that bad. Obviously your opinion is different, I'm really not sure what you're trying to get at here.

[dbzfan7]

I think it's kinda cool he merged with God, yet it makes no sense as I'm sure both sides have to agree to doing it or it won't work. I also support the Super Sonic Warriors idea that had Piccolo insanely powerful. I do agree it's a big stretch and goes beyond what was normally shown, but it also makes Piccolo useful again, so I can't complain. Perhaps fusing with yourself brings a bigger boost like it did 17 in GT. Though Daimao was reincarnated which kinda makes it impossible, or he'd be purified by now. Either way I support a super awesome Piccolo, but I do see what's wrong with it.

[FoolsGil]

To be honest, nothing about Namekians, canon or otherwise, make sense.

-First, King Piccolo is a demon. It's later revealed that Piccolo is the evil half of Kami, split off to attain Godhood.
-Piccolo Jr is the son of a demon. He may send people to hell unlike his father, but technically, he is a demon.
-In the fight against the Saiyans, it's revealed Piccolo and in extension Kami are aliens.
-On Namek it's revealed there are clans, Warrior Clans, and Dragon Clans.

Problem one reveals it's head when fusion is revealed. Nail is a Warrior Clan Namekian, and apparently(need a source) only same clan Namekians can fuse...so how can he fuse with Piccolo? One could say Piccolo is a Warrior Clan, but what about Piccolo Senior? Because he can fight, he is a Warrior Clan? But what of Kami, is he a Warrior Clan too? He makes Dragonballs, he would be Dragon Clan, but the fact his other half is a Warrior Clan...What about the original being, Katas Jr? If a whole Namekian breaks himself down into two, does one half become a Warrior, and the other a Dragon?

Problem two rears it's head when Piccolo goes to fuse with Kami. On paper it makes sense: Sure they are of different clans, but also two halves of the same being. A loophole that anyone can accept...except Piccolo isn't just Piccolo now-He's "Pail" or "Niccolo." he's even more of a Warrior Clan Namekian, you can even say he's no longer Kami's other half now that another foreign identity merged with him. One can even argue that if two Namekians of different clans cannot merge, then based on what happened, Piccolo and Kami can no longer merge, even though they are two halves, because of the Nail Identity, after all, Nail isn't a half of Kami.

So in conclusion, Saligir running loose with the Namekian rules? no problem. Makes as much sense as anything else when it comes to the species, canon or otherwise.

[RandomGuy96]

Problem one reveals it's head when fusion is revealed. Nail is a Warrior Clan Namekian, and apparently(need a source) only same clan Namekians can fuse...so how can he fuse with Piccolo? One could say Piccolo is a Warrior Clan, but what about Piccolo Senior? Because he can fight, he is a Warrior Clan? But what of Kami, is he a Warrior Clan too? What about the original being, Katas Jr? If a whole Namekian breaks himself down into two, does one half become a Warrior, and the other a Dragon?

Daimao and Kami were both Dragon-types, so it stands to reason that the original Namekian was as well. Piccolo Jr is a fighting-type because Daimao birthed him to get revenge on Goku. Piccolo and Nail could fuse because both were fighting-types.

Problem two rears it's head when Piccolo goes to fuse with Kami. On paper it makes sense: Sure they are of different clans, but also two halves of the same being. A loophole that anyone can accept...except Piccolo isn't just Piccolo now-He's "Pail" or "Niccolo." he's even more of a Warrior Clan Namekian, you can even say he's no longer Kami's other half now that another foreign identity merged with him. One can even argue that if two Namekians of different clans cannot merge, then based on what happened, Piccolo and Kami can no longer merge, even though they are two halves, because of the Nail Identity, after all, Nail isn't a half of Kami.

No, he's still Kami's other half. All Nail did was boost his power and slightly change his mental state, we have no evidence he changed his physiology at all. Kami and Piccolo were once the same being, their fusion is atypical and can't be used as evidence for any other Namekian fusion.

So in conclusion, Saligir running loose with the Namekian rules? no problem. Makes as much sense as anything else when it comes to the species, canon or otherwise.

If you can force someone to fuse with you (I can't see any other way Daimao could have fused with Kami), then Kami would have done it at several points to make life easier (when Daimao started causing a ruckus, when Goku incapacitated Jr). So would Piccolo, for that matter. If you could make someone fuse with you AND you don't need to be the same clan as them AND doing so can make you stronger than Vegetto, then again, Piccolo would have done it. No need to unlock Gohan's hidden potential, teach the boys fusion, or train in the ROSAT; just have Goku or (in the Buu arc) Kibito teleport Piccolo to Namek, and have him fuse with some Namekians. Then he can come back and one-shot Cell/Fat Buu.

And as I've said, many times, I happen to think that the Supersonic Warriors story would be the better option out of the two. As I happen to think that that story isn't that bad. Obviously your opinion is different, I'm really not sure what you're trying to get at here.

And as I said, many times, I happen to think that the Supersonic Warriors story would be even worse. As I happen to think that the story is that bad. I'm confused by what you're trying to say; I said that it contradicted the manga and was stupid. You said that's fine, because DBM contradicts the manga and is stupid. I asked what that had to do with anything. You said it was an official product unlike DBM. I again asked what that had to do with anything. Now you're saying that you think it's good.

[FoolsGil]

Problem one reveals it's head when fusion is revealed. Nail is a Warrior Clan Namekian, and apparently(need a source) only same clan Namekians can fuse...so how can he fuse with Piccolo? One could say Piccolo is a Warrior Clan, but what about Piccolo Senior? Because he can fight, he is a Warrior Clan? But what of Kami, is he a Warrior Clan too? What about the original being, Katas Jr? If a whole Namekian breaks himself down into two, does one half become a Warrior, and the other a Dragon?

Daimao and Kami were both Dragon-types, so it stands to reason that the original Namekian was as well. Piccolo Jr is a fighting-type because Daimao birthed him to get revenge on Goku. Piccolo and Nail could fuse because both were fighting-types.

How can you say Senior is a Dragon Type, he could have made his own dragonballs instead of searching for Kami's! And he would be a pissant at fighting, wouldn't he?

[RandomGuy96]

Problem one reveals it's head when fusion is revealed. Nail is a Warrior Clan Namekian, and apparently(need a source) only same clan Namekians can fuse...so how can he fuse with Piccolo? One could say Piccolo is a Warrior Clan, but what about Piccolo Senior? Because he can fight, he is a Warrior Clan? But what of Kami, is he a Warrior Clan too? What about the original being, Katas Jr? If a whole Namekian breaks himself down into two, does one half become a Warrior, and the other a Dragon?

Daimao and Kami were both Dragon-types, so it stands to reason that the original Namekian was as well. Piccolo Jr is a fighting-type because Daimao birthed him to get revenge on Goku. Piccolo and Nail could fuse because both were fighting-types.

How can you say Senior is a Dragon Type, he could have made his own dragonballs instead of searching for Kami's! And he would be a pissant at fighting, wouldn't he?

Relative to the fighting-types, he is.

[FoolsGil]

Relative to the fighting-types, he is.

And his lack of not making his own set of Dragonballs?

[RandomGuy96]

Relative to the fighting-types, he is.

And his lack of not making his own set of Dragonballs?

He didn't even seem to know what the dragon balls were when he was first introduced, which makes sense, as they were made after he was sealed. He explicitly only wanted them for one wish, then he got rid of them, so creating his own dragon balls would be an unnecessary effort for him. This isn't even considering the possibility that not EVERY dragon-type can create their own dragon balls just from being born into the clan, or that Daimao's ability to do so may be complicated by his status as a demon clansman and being of pure evil.

[TheDevilsCorpse]

Relative to the fighting-types, he is.

And his lack of not making his own set of Dragonballs?

Just to put this out there, Daizenshu 7 does state that Piccolo Junior is a Warrior Clansmen born of Dragon Clan lineage. Meaning the Nameless Namekian and the two he split into are confirmed Dragon Clansmen.

[FoolsGil]

Relative to the fighting-types, he is.

And his lack of not making his own set of Dragonballs?

Just to put this out there, Daizenshu 7 does state that Piccolo Junior is a Warrior Clansmen born of Dragon Clan lineage. Meaning the Nameless Namekian and the two he split into are confirmed Dragon Clansmen.

Definitive proof, no longer speculation, that Namekians don't make any sense, but alright.

[rereboy]

Perhaps Kami lured Piccolo into fusing with the promise of a greater power, hoping that their fusion with infect Piccolo with goodness and, eventually, make him stop being evil. Hence, the absolute evil would be "corrupted".

[ZombieVito]

I have zero complains about this. King Piccolo could have just force Kami to fused with him using the same fusion Piccolo and Nail did.

[TonyTheTiger]

If you can force someone to fuse with you (I can't see any other way Daimao could have fused with Kami), then Kami would have done it at several points to make life easier (when Daimao started causing a ruckus, when Goku incapacitated Jr). So would Piccolo, for that matter. If you could make someone fuse with you AND you don't need to be the same clan as them AND doing so can make you stronger than Vegetto, then again, Piccolo would have done it. No need to unlock Gohan's hidden potential, teach the boys fusion, or train in the ROSAT; just have Goku or (in the Buu arc) Kibito teleport Piccolo to Namek, and have him fuse with some Namekians. Then he can come back and one-shot Cell/Fat Buu.

Yeah but if we're going to use that kind of logic then there are a thousand points in the series during which characters could have made their lives easier but didn't because the bad guys had to gain an edge for the sake of drama. When it comes to Dragon Ball, general plausibility is more important to me than the the fine minutiae. Fact is, this is not a series that has ever made a serious effort to maintain air tight rules. As long as DBM doesn't do overtly stupid shit then I'm willing to give it a pass. Piccolo Daimao fusing with Kami? I think that's plausible enough to accept.

[RandomGuy96]

If you can force someone to fuse with you (I can't see any other way Daimao could have fused with Kami), then Kami would have done it at several points to make life easier (when Daimao started causing a ruckus, when Goku incapacitated Jr). So would Piccolo, for that matter. If you could make someone fuse with you AND you don't need to be the same clan as them AND doing so can make you stronger than Vegetto, then again, Piccolo would have done it. No need to unlock Gohan's hidden potential, teach the boys fusion, or train in the ROSAT; just have Goku or (in the Buu arc) Kibito teleport Piccolo to Namek, and have him fuse with some Namekians. Then he can come back and one-shot Cell/Fat Buu.

Yeah but if we're going to use that kind of logic then there are a thousand points in the series during which characters could have made their lives easier but didn't because the bad guys had to gain an edge for the sake of drama. When it comes to Dragon Ball, general plausibility is more important to me than the the fine minutiae. Fact is, this is not a series that has ever made a serious effort to maintain air tight rules. As long as DBM doesn't do overtly stupid shit then I'm willing to give it a pass. Piccolo Daimao fusing with Kami? I think that's plausible enough to accept.

I'd define this is as "overly stupid shit", but to each their own. It should be mentioned, though, that those points are a lot less numerous than you may think they are. Either there's no reason to think that the easy solution would actually work, or an in-character flaw prevents a character from taking said solution.

[coola]

My main problem with Supersonic Warriors, is that Porunga shouln't be able to revive person, that is dead for more than one year (Rule that was mentioned several times, and never broke). As for Daimao change, we don't really know much about it, Piccolo Jr. personality wasn't different in Cell Saga, when he fused with Kami, it was much later, in Buu Saga, and when it was regarded to divine things (Kami palace, East Kaioshin) that his personality was different.

[rereboy]

My main problem with Supersonic Warriors, is that Porunga shouln't be able to revive person, that is dead for more than one year (Rule that was mentioned several times, and never broke).

Actually, that rules only applies when its a large group of people as explained by Kami to Kaio. Its the large number involved that introduces the 1 year rule due to the dragon limits. No such limit exists when its just one person.

However, considering that we know that evil persons get cleansed and reborn, that provides a logistic problem that wasn't commented on in the series. Its probable that, if the person has already been reborn as a new person, the Dragon won't be able to revive that person as intended. Since Piccolo Daimao was reborn as Piccolo Jr (even though it was a special case/process), I don't think the Dragon would be able to revive Piccolo Daimao as intended.

[Doctor.]

I have zero complains about this. King Piccolo could have just force Kami to fused with him using the same fusion Piccolo and Nail did.

But Piccolo after fusing with Nail was noted to have some changes. He became much calmer than usual. Not as calm as he became when he fused with Kami, but still.

[Gyt Kaliba]

I'd define this is as "overly stupid shit", but to each their own. It should be mentioned, though, that those points are a lot numerous than think they are. Either there's no reason to think that the easy solution would actually work, or an in-character flaw prevents a character from taking said solution.

Your definition of "overly stupid shit" seems to be far easier to reach than it is for most of us though.

As for me, I'm fine with this explanation, though I do hope we get it explained a little further as the chapter goes on, or in another chapter. This certainly does give me more hope that Daimao might win this just yet.

[TonyTheTiger]

Whenever possible plot weirdness pops up in DBM I apply the Toriyama/Toei rule. I ask myself "Is this something Toriyama or Toei could have plausibly come up with?" If the answer is yes then I accept it as tolerable Dragon Ball nonsense and move on.