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Re: Fanmanga - DB Multiverse

Post by TonyTheTiger » Wed Oct 22, 2014 2:56 pm

This is U3. Goku was never sent to Earth because Bardock took the throne and led the rebellion against Freeza. That probably is what allowed Piccolo Daimaou to take over the Earth to begin with (why he was released at all without Goku's presence remains to be seen). It's possible that Bardock ordered an attack on Earth and Kami was left with the choice between domination by Piccolo Daimaou and complete annihilation by the Saiyans and picked the lesser of two evils?

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Post by dbzfan7 » Wed Oct 22, 2014 3:05 pm

TonyTheTiger wrote:This is U3. Goku was never sent to Earth because Bardock took the throne and led the rebellion against Freeza. That probably is what allowed Piccolo Daimaou to take over the Earth to begin with (why he was released at all without Goku's presence remains to be seen). It's possible that Bardock ordered an attack on Earth and Kami was left with the choice between domination by Piccolo Daimaou and complete annihilation by the Saiyans and picked the lesser of two evils?
Daimao was going to bring complete annihilation too. He had a lottery to destroy the 43 sections of earth. So sooner or later he was gonna do it which makes me believe it hardly matters.
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Re: Fanmanga - DB Multiverse

Post by mAcChaos » Wed Oct 22, 2014 5:19 pm

Maybe he was counting on the fusion to mellow him out.
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Re: Fanmanga - DB Multiverse

Post by FoolsGil » Wed Oct 22, 2014 6:25 pm

King Pickle Monster had to have found a way to force assimilation...it would be really dumb for Kami to consent, thinking A) he could change Daimao, or B) save the Earth from invaders when the Earth already needed saving from himself.

I'm surprised U3 Kami hadn't gone full nihlistic and tried to off himself. He would have saved the planet he wanted to protect if he did that.

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Re: Fanmanga - DB Multiverse

Post by dbzfan7 » Wed Oct 22, 2014 7:23 pm

mAcChaos wrote:Maybe he was counting on the fusion to mellow him out.
Eh even so that's kinda lame. Also God is stronger than Daimao...so how did this happen? Did he just wait too long for Daimao to get too strong?
FoolsGil wrote:King Pickle Monster had to have found a way to force assimilation...it would be really dumb for Kami to consent, thinking A) he could change Daimao, or B) save the Earth from invaders when the Earth already needed saving from himself.

I'm surprised U3 Kami hadn't gone full nihlistic and tried to off himself. He would have saved the planet he wanted to protect if he did that.
Can't force assimilation, also it's a rule apparently God can't kill himself. Though he seemed to try to after Goku beat Jr.
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Post by rereboy » Thu Oct 23, 2014 5:05 am

FoolsGil wrote:King Pickle Monster had to have found a way to force assimilation...it would be really dumb for Kami to consent, thinking A) he could change Daimao, or B) save the Earth from invaders when the Earth already needed saving from himself.

I'm surprised U3 Kami hadn't gone full nihlistic and tried to off himself. He would have saved the planet he wanted to protect if he did that.
Fusion changes/influences a person no matter what, and having Earth on Piccolo's grasp is still better than having Earth be completely destroyed. I fail to see why it would be dumb.
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Eh even so that's kinda lame. Also God is stronger than Daimao...so how did this happen? Did he just wait too long for Daimao to get too strong?
If he can't kill him, he wouldn't have many options to permanently remove the threat, even if he is stronger.
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Daimao was going to bring complete annihilation too. He had a lottery to destroy the 43 sections of earth. So sooner or later he was gonna do it which makes me believe it hardly matters.
Piccolo Daimao warned people in advance, so many had time to get out. Also, after he destroyed it, apparently there would be nothing stopping people from returning and rebuilding while he would destroy another section next year. So, in short, that plan would bring fear and terror, but it wouldn't be that effective is actually bringing complete annihilation to the human race or Earth.

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Re: Fanmanga - DB Multiverse

Post by DNA » Thu Oct 23, 2014 10:35 am

To be fair, Daimao's long term plan was to birth a massive army of demonic namekians, thus populating the Earth with them instead of humans. Humans wouof eventually go extinct.

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Post by rereboy » Thu Oct 23, 2014 10:38 am

Yes, I was talking about the "blow up a sector a year" plan specifically. Of course he could keep them around for his amusement and such, not actually making them go extinct.
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Post by FoolsGil » Thu Oct 23, 2014 10:43 am

rereboy wrote:
FoolsGil wrote:King Pickle Monster had to have found a way to force assimilation...it would be really dumb for Kami to consent, thinking A) he could change Daimao, or B) save the Earth from invaders when the Earth already needed saving from himself.

I'm surprised U3 Kami hadn't gone full nihlistic and tried to off himself. He would have saved the planet he wanted to protect if he did that.
Fusion changes/influences a person no matter what, and having Earth on Piccolo's grasp is still better than having Earth be completely destroyed. I fail to see why it would be dumb.
No. having Earth under Daimao's thumb is not any better.
Piccolo Daimao warned people in advance, so many had time to get out. Also, after he destroyed it, apparently there would be nothing stopping people from returning and rebuilding while he would destroy another section next year. So, in short, that plan would bring fear and terror, but it wouldn't be that effective is actually bringing complete annihilation to the human race or Earth.

He's a sadistic monster aka the bad guy. Why do you think that he would destroy a section of the planet and allow them to try to settle there later?

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Post by rereboy » Thu Oct 23, 2014 11:00 am

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No. having Earth under Daimao's thumb is not any better.
Its debatable. If the human race survived under Daimao's rule it could be argued logically that it would be better than being eradicated. And even if the human race was eradicated, having the planet otherwise intact and capable of life would be better than having it destroyed. So, it would depend on the circumstances and perspective.


He's a sadistic monster aka the bad guy. Why do you think that he would destroy a section of the planet and allow them to try to settle there later?
I merely commented on the rules of the plan he stated. To eradicate humanity he literally would have to go beyond what he stated.
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Re: Fanmanga - DB Multiverse

Post by DNA » Thu Oct 23, 2014 11:10 am

Humans do tend to forget that they are not the only living thing in the planet. In an universal scale, our extinction would really count for much. So yeah, having humanity extinct and every other living thing thriving would be better than just blowing up the whole planet. Would just suck for humans I guess, but then again, they would hang out in Heaven so, whatever.

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Re: Fanmanga - DB Multiverse

Post by TonyTheTiger » Thu Oct 23, 2014 1:06 pm

The Saiyans wouldn't blow up the planet. Vegeta only threatened to because he got fed up with Goku.

Either way, I'm only assuming that it was the Saiyans that caused Kami to fuse with Daimao. Something must have happened, though.

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Post by Hades » Thu Oct 23, 2014 4:16 pm

rereboy wrote:
FoolsGil wrote:
No. having Earth under Daimao's thumb is not any better.
Its debatable. If the human race survived under Daimao's rule it could be argued logically that it would be better than being eradicated. And even if the human race was eradicated, having the planet otherwise intact and capable of life would be better than having it destroyed. So, it would depend on the circumstances and perspective.
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Post by dbzfan7 » Thu Oct 23, 2014 6:59 pm

rereboy wrote:If he can't kill him, he wouldn't have many options to permanently remove the threat, even if he is stronger.
It's called throw him into the ROSAT. Problem solved. He can't get out and no one dies. He survived in a damn rice cooker, he'll survive in the ROSAT.
rereboy wrote:Piccolo Daimao warned people in advance, so many had time to get out. Also, after he destroyed it, apparently there would be nothing stopping people from returning and rebuilding while he would destroy another section next year. So, in short, that plan would bring fear and terror, but it wouldn't be that effective is actually bringing complete annihilation to the human race or Earth.
Who's to say he wouldn't just go back and blow it up. He wanted everyone dead, so I doubt he'd allow anyone to rebuild. Chances are his minions would run wild too and kill those humans back in that settlement if they even tried anything. Neither side is really any good. Living in fear can be considered worse than death depending on how long a rein of terror lasts.
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Post by Hellspawn28 » Thu Oct 23, 2014 8:15 pm

My guess is that Piccolo Daimao wanted more power and was able to fuse Kami while having complete control of his inter evil. Even if he fused with Kami, he should still be weak unless he trained a lot over the years. I would imagine Dr. Raichi could also help him to become stronger.
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Re: Fanmanga - DB Multiverse

Post by Pantalones » Thu Oct 23, 2014 11:31 pm

He's a sadistic monster aka the bad guy. Why do you think that he would destroy a section of the planet and allow them to try to settle there later?
...because then he gets to blow that section up again (and watch everyone flee for their lives again) if it comes up on the lottery next time, rather than just having to skip it over? XD

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Post by rereboy » Fri Oct 24, 2014 5:42 am

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It's called throw him into the ROSAT. Problem solved. He can't get out and no one dies. He survived in a damn rice cooker, he'll survive in the ROSAT.,
Piccolo would die in a few hundred days (real world time) since time goes very fast there. It would be a kind of slow suicide for Kami, I wonder if he could do it. Anyway, I didn't say he didn't have options, I stated he didn't have many. In this universe, he apparently thought fusion was a pretty good option for his goals, that's all.

Who's to say he wouldn't just go back and blow it up. He wanted everyone dead, so I doubt he'd allow anyone to rebuild. Chances are his minions would run wild too and kill those humans back in that settlement if they even tried anything. Neither side is really any good. Living in fear can be considered worse than death depending on how long a rein of terror lasts.
That would mean going beyond the "rules" he stated, I merely commented exactly what he said. What he would do beyond that is, honestly, up to speculation. As far as we know, he might let them rebuild and then, years later, destroy everything again, just to be a bastard, and so on.

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Re: Fanmanga - DB Multiverse

Post by Puto » Fri Oct 24, 2014 7:05 am

As far as I can tell, Demon King Piccolo's intention was never to kill the whole human race, but to terrorise them for years to come.
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Post by dbzfan7 » Fri Oct 24, 2014 1:33 pm

rereboy wrote:Piccolo would die in a few hundred days (real world time) since time goes very fast there. It would be a kind of slow suicide for Kami, I wonder if he could do it. Anyway, I didn't say he didn't have options, I stated he didn't have many. In this universe, he apparently thought fusion was a pretty good option for his goals, that's all
It's still a much better option than fusing with him for any stupid reason that really isn't a better solution. He later even does try kill himself.
rereboy wrote:That would mean going beyond the "rules" he stated, I merely commented exactly what he said. What he would do beyond that is, honestly, up to speculation. As far as we know, he might let them rebuild and then, years later, destroy everything again, just to be a bastard, and so on.
A demon going against his own rules, who'd have thunk it? Though really living in fear is hardly better than a quick end.
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Re: Fanmanga - DB Multiverse

Post by rereboy » Fri Oct 24, 2014 1:54 pm

dbzfan7 wrote:
It's still a much better option than fusing with him for any stupid reason that really isn't a better solution. He later even does try kill himself.
Why? Kami knew that Piccolo would be influenced by him after their fusion. If he couldn't or didn't have the time to come up with a better solution for Piccolo (like your Rosat idea), fusion had a good chance of eventually making Piccolo be not as bad as he was or even not bad at all, which would save the planet.

A possible scenario for this is an enemy coming to Earth more powerful than Kami and Piccolo and determined to destroy the planet. In this scenario, fusion between them would create an opponent stronger than the invader, saving Earth, and it had a good chance of making Piccolo less evil and eventually not bad, so it would definitely be a very good idea.

Also, Kami says more than once that he can't commit suicide (kill Piccolo). So, even if Goku hadn't stopped him, I have my doubts that he would have actually been able to kill him.
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A demon going against his own rules, who'd have thunk it? Though really living in fear is hardly better than a quick end.
For all you know, Piccolo might enjoy those kind of games and takes sick pleasure in announcing them and fulfilling them to the letter. Also, for all you know, Piccolo might enjoy taking his sweet time killing humans and letting them leave in despair, so letting them rebuild so that sometime in the future he can destroy that area again in that game of chance of his might be what he prefers.

Also, I'm sure that a lot of people would greatly prefer to live longer, even if in fear, than being killed quickly, so that's completely subjective.

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