coola wrote:I don't know why, but i just smile when DNA say, that "He only kills half Earth population, so he is not evil" is crappy writing, i smile sadly, because that's how our world works "So what if he is genocide maniac, he is still better than that other one, let's help him" so it's not really shitty writing, but Realpolitik. As for this page, am i only one who find Gast smiling like that very creepy?
It's supposed to be creepy. That's the point.
Also, this fight is stupid.
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Please elaborate as I do not know what you mean by "pushing Vegeta's destruction"
He's probably referring to the Bardock special. Zarbon was the one who first recommended destroying Planet Vegeta because the saiyans were rapidly growing in strength.
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Herms wrote:The fact that the ridiculous power inflation is presented so earnestly makes me just roll my eyes and snicker. Like with Freeza, where he starts off over 10 times stronger than all his henchmen except Ginyu (because...well, just because), then we find out he can transform and get even more powerful, and then he reveals he can transform two more times, before finally coming out with the fact that he hasn't even been using anywhere near 50% of his power. Oh, and he can survive in the vacuum of space. All this stuff is just presented as the way Freeza is, without even an attempt at rationalizing it, yet the tone dictates we're supposed to take all this silly grasping at straws as thrilling danger. So I guess I don't really take the power inflation in the Boo arc seriously, but I don't take the power inflation in earlier arcs seriously either, so there's no net loss of seriousness. I think a silly story presented as serious is harder to accept than a silly story presented as silly.
Someone pointed out that Daimao could be used to repopulate the Namekians as he's a Dragon's Clan Namekian and not a fighting type. Maybe that's why Gast doesn't obliterate him? Still...I have no words for this right now...just wow.
Why Dragon Ball Consistency in something such as power levels matter!
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Doctor. wrote:I've explained before, I'll just paraphrase myself.
Power levels establish tension and drama. People who care about them (well, people who care about them in a narrative) don't care about the big numbers or the fancy explosions. If you have character A who's so much above character B, who's the main character, you're gonna be left wondering how in the hell character B, the character we're supposed to care and root for, is going to escape the situation or overcome the odds. It makes us emotionally invested.
If character B doesn't escape the situation in a believable way that's consistent with previous events, then that emotional investment is gone. It was pointless tension, pointless drama made just to suck in the viewer. It has no critical value whatsoever. The audience is left believing that the author can just create whatever scenarios he wants and what happens to the characters is decided by whatever the author wants to happen, regardless of the events that happened in the story. Which, in fairness, is what happens, but the audience wants to be fooled. The audience wants to know that the world they're following has rules. That the world they're invested in isn't going to bend to external factors that are irrelevant to them.
An author can do whatever he wants with the characters, that's not false. But the author should also have the responsibility to make sure it fits in cohesively with the other events in the narrative he has created.
The perspective flip here is great. An evil character being taunted by someone threatening them with the prospect of becoming good. But I wonder if this is an actual prediction or just a really clever gambit. Maybe Gast doesn't actually know that Daimao will turn good but is instead deliberately planting the seed in Daimao's head to induce a self-fulfilling prophecy.
So in essence, Gast is pulling a reverse Palpatine.
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dbzfan7 wrote:Someone pointed out that Daimao could be used to repopulate the Namekians as he's a Dragon's Clan Namekian and not a fighting type. Maybe that's why Gast doesn't obliterate him? Still...I have no words for this right now...just wow.
I may be remembering wrong, but isn't almost everything we've seen of Gast less about him wanting to start a new community of Namekians, and more about him wanting the Dragon Balls to restore the ones that were lost to his merger in the first place? His base was Nail and the Eldest, and all those who fused with him were the latter's children. I'm sure the "loss" of them is a source of pain for the character, despite them technically being with him.
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dbzfan7 wrote:Someone pointed out that Daimao could be used to repopulate the Namekians as he's a Dragon's Clan Namekian and not a fighting type. Maybe that's why Gast doesn't obliterate him? Still...I have no words for this right now...just wow.
I may be remembering wrong, but isn't almost everything we've seen of Gast less about him wanting to start a new community of Namekians, and more about him wanting the Dragon Balls to restore the ones that were lost to his merger in the first place? His base was Nail and the Eldest, and all those who fused with him were the latter's children. I'm sure the "loss" of them is a source of pain for the character, despite them technically being with him.
Well I don't remember much of the early story...can ya blame me with what they've been doing?
Why Dragon Ball Consistency in something such as power levels matter!
Spoiler:
Doctor. wrote:I've explained before, I'll just paraphrase myself.
Power levels establish tension and drama. People who care about them (well, people who care about them in a narrative) don't care about the big numbers or the fancy explosions. If you have character A who's so much above character B, who's the main character, you're gonna be left wondering how in the hell character B, the character we're supposed to care and root for, is going to escape the situation or overcome the odds. It makes us emotionally invested.
If character B doesn't escape the situation in a believable way that's consistent with previous events, then that emotional investment is gone. It was pointless tension, pointless drama made just to suck in the viewer. It has no critical value whatsoever. The audience is left believing that the author can just create whatever scenarios he wants and what happens to the characters is decided by whatever the author wants to happen, regardless of the events that happened in the story. Which, in fairness, is what happens, but the audience wants to be fooled. The audience wants to know that the world they're following has rules. That the world they're invested in isn't going to bend to external factors that are irrelevant to them.
An author can do whatever he wants with the characters, that's not false. But the author should also have the responsibility to make sure it fits in cohesively with the other events in the narrative he has created.
coola wrote:I don't know why, but i just smile when DNA say, that "He only kills half Earth population, so he is not evil" is crappy writing, i smile sadly, because that's how our world works "So what if he is genocide maniac, he is still better than that other one, let's help him" so it's not really shitty writing, but Realpolitik. As for this page, am i only one who find Gast smiling like that very creepy?
Except that Gast's point was not that he is not evil. but that he is not absolute evil like he claimed because he has good in him (and that his good can be nurtured). So, I don't see your point.
And Gast's smile is obviously supposed to be creepy. This page is a play on the cliche of a character luring another character into evil and temptation, but reversed. Therefore we have Gast with the cliche creepy appearance while the other struggles.
Marco Polo wrote:WTF Gast looks evil as shit. What the fuck is going on
Same answer as above. And, no, he doesn't look like "shit", all panels have quality.
rereboy wrote:And Gast's smile is obviously supposed to be creepy. This page is a play on the cliche of a character luring another character into evil and temptation, but reversed. Therefore we have Gast with the cliche creepy appearance while the other struggles.
Except that doesn't make any sense. If he's luring him into goodness he should look good and kind. Why would looking evil make the Great Demon King uncomfortable?
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rereboy wrote:Same answer as above. And, no, he doesn't look like "shit", all panels have quality.
"(Adjective) as shit" just means "very (adjective)", it has nothing to do with quality or literal shit. You're misunderstanding this English expression.
The forced (no pun intended) Star Wars quote is unbelievably lame, as is much of Gast's dialogue. I just don't get a Dragon Ball vibe from any of it. Maybe it feels off because we've gone from Gast slaughtering Cold and Cooler mercilessly last chapter, and now we see him spouting a bunch of "love and friendship conquers all" niceties. It's rather jarring.
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Augenis wrote:The power level view into the series has trained a significant portion of the fan base into real life stereotypical members of the Freeza empire, where each and every individual is reduced to a floating number above their heads and any sudden changes to said number are met with shock and confusion.
Well this was...unexpected. And I can't help but laugh at the way it's going (not in a vindictive way as some are though), just because...well, it's hilarious to see someone tortured with the prospect of turning good. Beyond that though, I'm not really sure how to feel about it yet.
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Gyt Kaliba wrote:Well this was...unexpected. And I can't help but laugh at the way it's going (not in a vindictive way as some are though), just because...well, it's hilarious to see someone tortured with the prospect of turning good. Beyond that though, I'm not really sure how to feel about it yet.
Just to be clear, I don't want to sound like I'm hyper critical of Dragon Ball Multiverse overall. I think it's a great webcomic. It just takes sudden dives into offbeat humor that don't always pay off.
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Augenis wrote:The power level view into the series has trained a significant portion of the fan base into real life stereotypical members of the Freeza empire, where each and every individual is reduced to a floating number above their heads and any sudden changes to said number are met with shock and confusion.
Marco Polo wrote:
Except that doesn't make any sense. If he's luring him into goodness he should look good and kind. Why would looking evil make the Great Demon King uncomfortable?
Because its a obvious play on the cliche. Its there to make it extremely obvious to the reader, kind of like a pun or a 4th wall joke. And what makes Piccolo struggle is not Gast's look but the thought that Piccolo might have goodness in him.
What actually doesn't make sense is to expect something like that to be perfectly explainable in-universe. You might as well ask what was the in-universe logic of Piccolo Daimao claiming that this was supposed to be his chapter.
Marco Polo wrote:
"(Adjective) as shit" just means "very (adjective)", it has nothing to do with quality or literal shit. You're misunderstanding this English expression.
I didn't misunderstand it. That expression is usually an hyperbole, but I usually prefer when people are fair in their criticism so I usually comment even on the hyperboles.
It kinda is. Piccolo's statement about this being his chapter and Gast making fun of a corruption cliche make it clear. Its not taking itself very seriously, which is good since the power difference between the two is too much for this to be effectively serious.
Beyond that though, I'm not really sure how to feel about it yet.
