Goku's God potential?

[Low Tone G]

It was stated that saiyan can become GODS temporarily. Yet Goku could transform into on his own after that form wore out. If Goku wished for immortality or live long enough on his own, can he attain a God power just like he did in BOG? Or could he find a way to attain the form on his own?

[sintzu]

As of now the only way to get the form is the ritual but obviously it's not needed in order to use it again.

[Hitiro]

It was stated that saiyan can become GODS temporarily. Yet Goku could transform into on his own after that form wore out. If Goku wished for immortality or live long enough on his own, can he attain a God power just like he did in BOG? Or could he find a way to attain the form on his own?

Was it "on his own" though? I mean there was that massive blue energy that hit him from behind when he transformed again. Right? I'm still apprehensive about this scene. Because you can either say it was through the combined will of his friends(which includes the Saiyan's), which took on the form of the blue energy we saw in the intial transformation, that triggered the transformation again. Or he actually did it himself?

I suppose not he has experienced the transformation he probably would have a way of obtaining it or accessing the power, at least. But Goku kind of pointed us to him not being able to achieve it without his family and friends. So perhaps not? It's a really annoying thing to consider, lol.

[Low Tone G]

It was stated that saiyan can become GODS temporarily. Yet Goku could transform into on his own after that form wore out. If Goku wished for immortality or live long enough on his own, can he attain a God power just like he did in BOG? Or could he find a way to attain the form on his own?

Was it "on his own" though? I mean there was that massive blue energy that hit him from behind when he transformed again. Right? I'm still apprehensive about this scene. Because you can either say it was through the combined will of his friends(which includes the Saiyan's), which took on the form of the blue energy we saw in the intial transformation, that triggered the transformation again. Or he actually did it himself?

I suppose not he has experienced the transformation he probably would have a way of obtaining it or accessing the power, at least. But Goku kind of pointed us to him not being able to achieve it without his family and friends. So perhaps not? It's a really annoying thing to consider, lol.

On his own? By training or meditation or to do something on his own to earn the power. And I'm also interested in that scene of second transfomation.

[TheDevilsCorpse]

Was it "on his own" though? I mean there was that massive blue energy that hit him from behind when he transformed again. Right? I'm still apprehensive about this scene. Because you can either say it was through the combined will of his friends(which includes the Saiyan's), which took on the form of the blue energy we saw in the initial transformation, that triggered the transformation again. Or he actually did it himself?

I know it is a game, but according to Zenkai Battle Royale:

The time that you can remain in Super Saiyan God form is limited, but if you use the power of “Everyone’s Prayers”, you can enter God form one more time. On top of that, if your “excitement/tension” gets to its MAX, you can use “Everyone’s Prayers” again.

[Low Tone G]

Was it "on his own" though? I mean there was that massive blue energy that hit him from behind when he transformed again. Right? I'm still apprehensive about this scene. Because you can either say it was through the combined will of his friends(which includes the Saiyan's), which took on the form of the blue energy we saw in the initial transformation, that triggered the transformation again. Or he actually did it himself?

I know it is a game, but according to Zenkai Battle Royale:

The time that you can remain in Super Saiyan God form is limited, but if you use the power of “Everyone’s Prayers”, you can enter God form one more time. On top of that, if your “excitement/tension” gets to its MAX, you can use “Everyone’s Prayers” again.

So totally you can enter in for 3 times? Or I'm misunderstanding something?

[TheDevilsCorpse]

You can keep using it indefinitely in the game so long as you can keep charging the Tension bar, but that wasn't really my point.

The game specifically calls the technique, that Goku needs to use to regain Super Saiyan God again, "Everyone's Prayers", at least further implying that Goku didn't tap back into the form on his own.

[Kroni_Hunter]

I don't think that is the direction AT is going with the movies. It is worth noting that he has already spoken about the future of Super Saiyan God in the BoGs interview.

I think you’ll understand if you watch [the movie], but Goku has already absorbed [Super Saiyan] God’s power and made it his own, so there is no need for him to transform into [Super Saiyan] God. Goku basically only thinks of fighting as a sporting match, so borrowing the power of five people isn’t fair, and he resisted doing that; however, it seems his curiosity towards the realm that lay even further beyond him won out.

As far as God Goku's potential, I think the only way for him to get stronger at this point is to continue to train. It seems as though after SSJ3, his body hit a peak. He was either making no gains at all or only negligible ones. But absorbing the power of a Super Saiyan God has put him in a new "realm" so to speak. The limits his body experienced before are now gone and it is probably much easier for him to get training boosts. He might even start getting Zenkais again. AT also had this to say in the interview:

I suppose if Beerus’ strength is a 10, [Super Saiyan] God would be right about 6. Only, Saiyans rapidly increase in strength as they fight against strong opponents, so the longer they fought, the more that gap would shrink, and it might even be possible for them to eventually turn the tables

[Chuquita]

I like the fact that with ssjg, other characters can't sense Gokû's ki now; it gives him kind of stealth-powers in a way.
I really like his ssjg form; I realize the switch for its looks and its power are two different switches on the same device, but I still want to see more of it (especially after seeing that short animated clip in the BoZ commercial; I like the face even better in that).
Also, it's flame powers! I want to see him learn to do some neat stuff with that, also with whatever allowed him to absorb that huge ki attack at the end of BOG (or negate it, or vanish it, or whatever he did that he dosen't even know what he did).
Potential-wise, I think it's just that Gokû's natural giftedness for his martial arts and using techniques that make him a good fit for the power; it's like giving a really good painter some super high-quality paints; each alone can only do so much, but combined it brings out really good stuff.

[Kroni_Hunter]

You're assuming Goku still retained God Ki after the transformation wore off.

[TheDevilsCorpse]

You're assuming Goku still retained God Ki after the transformation wore off.

Toriyama told us he kept the power in post film interviews and I doubt it just changed into normal ki.

[Kroni_Hunter]

You're assuming Goku still retained God Ki after the transformation wore off.

Toriyama told us he kept the power in post film interviews and I doubt it just changed into normal ki.

He kept the power, but not the form. Since he's not a God anymore, he shouldn't have God Ki

[TheDevilsCorpse]

Despite keeping the power, he didn't have access to the form on demand after it wore off mid battle, but he could still sense Beerus and apparently still couldn't be sensed by everyone else. There's no reason to assume that this changes after he dispels Beerus' ki attack with the form at the end of the film either, as we don't entirely know what that was or why it even happened beyond the general observation. Since Toriyama confirms that he still kept the power even after that though, it seems the simplest option to assume that the rest of the traits stuck around too until we're told otherwise.

[Low Tone G]

As far as God Goku's potential, I think the only way for him to get stronger at this point is to continue to train. It seems as though after SSJ3, his body hit a peak. He was either making no gains at all or only negligible ones. But absorbing the power of a Super Saiyan God has put him in a new "realm" so to speak. The limits his body experienced before are now gone and it is probably much easier for him to get training boosts. He might even start getting Zenkais again. AT also had this to say in the interview:

I suppose if Beerus’ strength is a 10, [Super Saiyan] God would be right about 6. Only, Saiyans rapidly increase in strength as they fight against strong opponents, so the longer they fought, the more that gap would shrink, and it might even be possible for them to eventually turn the tables

I meant that God potential as if Goku was able or not to upgrade himself into a God without any ritual, not that now being a God how far can he go. I hope it's more clear now. Because Beerus told that Goku's potential is immeasurable, so we can assume that he can surpass many of incoming Godly threats.

[Hitiro]

You're assuming Goku still retained God Ki after the transformation wore off.

Toriyama told us he kept the power in post film interviews and I doubt it just changed into normal ki.

In the movie Beerus said that he absorbed the world into his body, right? Well couldn't that mean he absorbed the God Ki the form provided into his regular Ki supply?

[TheDevilsCorpse]

Maybe it could have, but if you have to have god traits to do things like sense Beerus' energy, it doesn't seem like he lost said traits, just the form.

[Chuquita]

He briefly jumped back into the form near the end, so I'm under the impression he can access the full package if he wants, but maybe it's uncomfortable being in a body that distinctly different from your own? He did inspect himself twice shortly after achieving it the first time.

[TheDevilsCorpse]

Jumping back into the form at the end of the movie seems to have more to do with everyone yelling out at him to defeat Beerus than him being able to do whatever he wants with it at will.

Like I pointed out earlier in the topic, even Zenkai Battle Royale makes use of this mechanic. Once God mode wears off, Goku can't return to it until he has enough Tension Gauge to activate "Everyone's Prayer's", which then forces him back into God mode again just like in the film. Granted this is just a game, but it seems like an odd mechanic to bring in if it wasn't relevant. They could have just made everything time related; 90 seconds of God mode, 90 seconds of cool down, etc.

[Hitiro]

Maybe it could have, but if you have to have god traits to do things like sense Beerus' energy, it doesn't seem like he lost said traits, just the form.

People keep saying this. But Goku never actually says he can sense Beerus. At any point in the movie.

Goku was actually surprised that Beerus still wasn't trying when Beerus told him.

The only thing we know given the movie is that God Ki, at the moment, can't be sensed by the Z-senshi. Whether you need God Ki to sense a person with God Ki or whether they need to train themselves to sense God Ki like they had to train themselves to sense regular Ki is unclear. I find it strange Goku would just instantly be able to sense God Ki just from acquiring God Ki when they had to learn how to sense Ki when they had regular Ki. I also find it strange that if SSJGod Goku could sense God Ki then why was he asking if he had SSJGod? Surely he could sense something from Whis and Beerus. It seems that even Beerus can't sense God Ki because he was unsure until they started fighting.

Goku teleporting around can simply be attributed to him using his friends Ki sources as waypoints. We know if he locks onto a Ki source he doesn't need to teleport right next to it. It is more a point of reference than anything.

[Low Tone G]

He briefly jumped back into the form near the end, so I'm under the impression he can access the full package if he wants, but maybe it's uncomfortable being in a body that distinctly different from your own? He did inspect himself twice shortly after achieving it the first time.

My impression was that Goku didn't really know what he went through in the whole fight. He did not realize that he is no more a God, he was under the impression that he can catch Beerus by surprise as he can pull a win his God power as the planet's fate depended on him. As for the second time of transformation, I can see for him a moment just like for Vegeta as (and many times for Gohan), and his latent God powers were unleashed and also a Zenkai afterwards as Toriyama said that Goku being a Saiyan grows stronger after a narrow clash.