How strong is Krillin?

[Retan]

MMM No I'm pretty sure Tien saved Gohan from Buu's blast, which would would have killed, or at least mangled Mystic Gohan beyond repair. Well except for the Dragonballs wishing him back to normal that is.

[Super Saiyan Turlast x4]

Look again. It wasn't for Gohan.

[Retan]

Oops your right, but still it was a blast from SS3Gotenks Buu! Hardly something I think a Kienzan or anything in Kuririns arsenal could have done (Well other then anything he more then likely stole from Tienshinhan anyway).

[hyperbeing1]

i believe krillin the strongest of the earthlings by the end of the series that is unless you count uub. i believe people vastly under estimate him and that he deserves a bit more respect. i also like to say that i am not at all saying krillin can beat goku, vegeta, and so on at least not in power anyway.
aside from power though i believe krillin and tien being the most creative with their techniques, have shown great skill, and are very clever in a fight . and while i also praise yamchas fighting skills i now for a fact he is nowhere near tien and krillin in any of these categories and by the android saga basically reached his peak and that is it. though i always wondered if choistsu is stronger then yamcha considering he still trains maybe though to tell the truth i am someone who believes everyone strong and no one weak unless compared to someone in greater power.
lol sorry for the mixed up response i am not fully used to typing replies on forums and used to going on chat rooms.

[xmysticgohanx]

The 75,000 is from the V jump which has dumb power level numbers

[Darkprince410]

Oops your right, but still it was a blast from SS3Gotenks Buu! Hardly something I think a Kienzan or anything in Kuririns arsenal could have done (Well other then anything he more then likely stole from Tenshinhan anyway).

You say that though like it's a clear indicator of Tenshinhan's strength. Tenshinhan blocked Buu's blast with a Ki Kou Hou, an attack established as having far more destructive output than the Kamehameha does. I mean, with it, he was able to successfully stall Cell for a considerable amount of time, pummeling him again and again, when #16, only moments before, wasn't able to budge him an inch. This being despite the fact that #16 is vastly more powerful than Tenshinhan is, which goes a lot way to show the power of the technique rather than the power of the user.

As for Yamcha's statement in the Buu Saga, your claim that it has no bearing because Tenshinhan isn't fully human is irrelevant, because there's nothing saying that he himself (or Yamcha for that matter) even know that he has alien ancestry. We know for a fact that he does have alien ancestry from non-manga sources, but since there is nothing in the manga stating or suggesting that he is an alien, much less that he or anyone else know that fact, he can't be excluded from Yamcha's statement. As others have pointed out, the Daizenshuu, while acknowledging his ancestry, still categorize him among earthlings. Besides, we don't even know how diluted his alien side is, since there's no reference to how long ago the three-eyed tribe came to Earth. It could be dozens upon dozens of generations between them arriving and Tenshinhan's birth, to where only minimal aspects of their genetic make up remains.

Lastly, even though Yamcha's statement should, by all means, include Tenshinhan, in truth one can only count that as being factual up to the point of the Cell Saga. Tenshinhan and Chaozu have been off on their own for the seven years following the end of the Cell Saga, so Yamcha's statement could be simply based on old information.

As it stands though, Yamcha's statement isn't contradicted by any means, so Kuririn is stronger.

[Zephyr]

The 75,000 is from the V jump which has dumb power level numbers

I'm not sure one's personal judgment of which power levels are "dumb" should factor in here. Many would argue Freeza's official, in-manga, 530,000 is "dumb".

It's an irrelevant criteria.

[xmysticgohanx]

The v jump has krillin at 75,000 when there's no reason he should be stronger than vs the ginyus, vegeta at 250,000 when he was equal to first form freeza, SSJ Gogeta at a power level that should be way less than SSJ3 Goku, and Broly at a level really close to SSJ Gogeta.

Btw why doesn't the official kanzenshuu page on power levels have Gogeta or Broly?

[RandomGuy96]

The v jump has krillin at 75,000 when there's no reason he should be stronger than vs the ginyus

Vegeta said his power had risen massively since he fought the Ginyus. Heck, you can see that in action. At one point, his power level is read as merely being moderately above 10,000. Less than an hour later, he's knocking around Ginyu-Goku, who is stated to be 23,000.

[ImmaDeker]

I, like Kaboom, view the whole "Ten vs Krillin" question as a good way to test someone's DB knowledge, and general outlook on the franchise.

Caring either way basically red flags someone as being not even remotely interesting to talk to.

[xmysticgohanx]

The v jump has krillin at 75,000 when there's no reason he should be stronger than vs the ginyus

Vegeta said his power had risen massively since he fought the Ginyus. Heck, you can see that in action. At one point, his power level is read as merely being moderately above 10,000. Less than an hour later, he's knocking around Ginyu-Goku, who is stated to be 23,000.

That doesn't change the fact that the v-jump has SSJ Gogeta at 2,500,000,000. That means base Goku didn't pass 6,000,000 since 6 million X 400 (SSJ3 multiplier) is 2,400,000,000. Btw it has movie 8 LSSJ Broly at 1,400,000,000

[RandomGuy96]

The v jump has krillin at 75,000 when there's no reason he should be stronger than vs the ginyus

Vegeta said his power had risen massively since he fought the Ginyus. Heck, you can see that in action. At one point, his power level is read as merely being moderately above 10,000. Less than an hour later, he's knocking around Ginyu-Goku, who is stated to be 23,000.

That doesn't change the fact that the v-jump has SSJ Gogeta at 2,500,000,000. That means base Goku didn't pass 6,000,000 since 6 million X 400 (SSJ3 multiplier) is 2,400,000,000. Btw it has movie 8 LSSJ Broly at 1,400,000,000

I'm not sure what that has to do with Krillin.

[xmysticgohanx]

It discredits v-jump as a power level source; they also said 1 kiri = 50,000 power level

[hleV]

I don't see Kuririn becoming much stronger after the Freeza arc, so around 75,000.

I don't think Tenshinhan's Kikoho would kill or heavily damage Kuririn, just push him away just like it did Cell.

[RandomGuy96]

It discredits v-jump as a power level source; they also said 1 kiri = 50,000 power level

You: "It makes no sense for Krillin to be stronger than he was against the Ginyus"

Me: "The manga itself said he got stronger."

You: "V-Jump sucks"

[Kaboom]

The V-Jump numbers for Coola, Broli, and Gogeta are an odd case. There's some reasons why they're better off not taken as anything solid or reliable (namely incompatibility with each other, plus "only" being created for a game), but that in no way invalidates the specifically manga-focused numbers printed years earlier.

I, like Kaboom, view the whole "Ten vs Krillin" question as a good way to test someone's DB knowledge, and general outlook on the franchise.

Caring either way basically red flags someone as being not even remotely interesting to talk to.

There's really no need to respond like this. If you don't care about the conversation, then you don't have to participate.

[hyperbeing1]

Oops your right, but still it was a blast from SS3Gotenks Buu! Hardly something I think a Kienzan or anything in Kuririns arsenal could have done (Well other then anything he more then likely stole from Tenshinhan anyway).

You say that though like it's a clear indicator of Tenshinhan's strength. Tenshinhan blocked Buu's blast with a Ki Kou Hou, an attack established as having far more destructive output than the Kamehameha does. I mean, with it, he was able to successfully stall Cell for a considerable amount of time, pummeling him again and again, when #16, only moments before, wasn't able to budge him an inch. This being despite the fact that #16 is vastly more powerful than Tenshinhan is, which goes a lot way to show the power of the technique rather than the power of the user.

As for Yamcha's statement in the Buu Saga, your claim that it has no bearing because Tenshinhan isn't fully human is irrelevant, because there's nothing saying that he himself (or Yamcha for that matter) even know that he has alien ancestry. We know for a fact that he does have alien ancestry from non-manga sources, but since there is nothing in the manga stating or suggesting that he is an alien, much less that he or anyone else know that fact, he can't be excluded from Yamcha's statement. As others have pointed out, the Daizenshuu, while acknowledging his ancestry, still categorize him among earthlings. Besides, we don't even know how diluted his alien side is, since there's no reference to how long ago the three-eyed tribe came to Earth. It could be dozens upon dozens of generations between them arriving and Tenshinhan's birth, to where only minimal aspects of their genetic make up remains.

Lastly, even though Yamcha's statement should, by all means, include Tenshinhan, in truth one can only count that as being factual up to the point of the Cell Saga. Tenshinhan and Chaozu have been off on their own for the seven years following the end of the Cell Saga, so Yamcha's statement could be simply based on old information.

As it stands though, Yamcha's statement isn't contradicted by any means, so Kuririn is stronger.

while not really relevant but didn't using that technique on cell nearly kill tien due to it being powered mostly by his life force

[dualist]

Didn't Tien train King Kai? Or was that just anime filler?

[hyperbeing1]

Didn't Tenshinhan train King Kai? Or was that just anime filler?

he did in the manga as well just that we see what he does in the filler and not the manga.

[Jackal puFF]

King Kai trained the dead fighters maybe.. They didn't receive the same treatment as Goku did.

Krillin had to have gotten stronger after Namek. He's always firing up kamehameha's at Roshi's and knows what. I'm sure he had to have sparred to 18 once in a while in a lot of different ways.. Teach each other some moves. Now compare that to Tien's training buddy. Yeah.. Tell me who would get the better results. Oh yeah he also got that boost from the grand elder that everyone always says.

Wasn't there even a recent interview from BOG or maybe the full color q&a's, where he really said he was the strongest? Those we're pretty recent too. Where is that quote where Toriyama says Krillin is the strongest human?

Tien might have been stronger in early db but Krillin soared. He was constantly fighting all the main villains and villain sidekicks, always in the action.