Theotetical Question (Buu vs. Cell)

Victator Supreme · Post by **Victator Supreme** » Mon Sep 25, 2006 7:05 pm

Let's see: Earth (every living being there), Namek (all Namekians along with the Kaioshins), and Enma's check-in station. 2-and-a-half? Needless to say, it was really impressive how Kid Buu was still able to hold off Goku's Super Genki-dama. I kind of wonder if Goku really was out of all power, I mean he was still flying (an ability he never gained till right before he defeated Piccolo at the 23rd Budokai). Maybe Toriyama-san was looking for an excuse on using Porunga's third wish?

Goku was exhasted from the fight with Buu. It was taking everything he could to stay in the air and not have the spirit bomb sent back at him.

ItsAllGood · Post by **ItsAllGood** » Tue Sep 26, 2006 4:09 am

Hold on a minute.

Absorption could be a problem here. Was Kid Buu ever shown to actually absorb any other fighters? My reckoning is no, and he possibly couldn't, since Kid buu is the final/true form of Buu.

In my mind, Kid Buu is the culmination of Buu as a whole, hence, he would have no need - or want - to absorb, even when faced with his defeat. And as far as Kid Buu being totally insane, why then would he continue to fight it out with Goku and Vegeta. Shouldn't he have just blown up the Kai's planet into a million pieces and be done with it?

All I'm saying is that we KNOW and have seen on many occasions, all the forms of Buu absorb other fighters. Kid Buu, on the other hand is ultimately evil. If he could absorb another fighter with even the tiniest amount of good in them would weaken him, just like what happened when he absorbed Southern Kaioshin.

Just my thoughts..

Or, I could have overlooked it in one of the episodes and am about to be shot down in flames by the next post!

Conan the SSJ · Post by **Conan the SSJ** » Tue Sep 26, 2006 5:44 am

Victator Supreme wrote:Goku was exhasted from the fight with Buu. It was taking everything he could to stay in the air and not have the spirit bomb sent back at him.

Is it so much trouble to say "IMO", considering that's your opinion. Just a heads-up, this isn't a thread discussing the Super Genki-dama struggle. If ya' want to, maybe start a new thread about it or send me a PM for discussion.

ItsAllGood wrote:Absorption could be a problem here. Was Kid Buu ever shown to actually absorb any other fighters? My reckoning is no, and he possibly couldn't, since Kid Buu is the final/true form of Buu.

In my mind, Kid Buu is the culmination of Buu as a whole, hence, he would have no need - or want - to absorb, even when faced with his defeat. And as far as Kid Buu being totally insane, why then would he continue to fight it out with Goku and Vegeta. Shouldn't he have just blown up the Kai's planet into a million pieces and be done with it?

All I'm saying is that we KNOW and have seen on many occasions, all the forms of Buu absorb other fighters. Kid Buu, on the other hand is ultimately evil. If he could absorb another fighter with even the tiniest amount of good in them would weaken him, just like what happened when he absorbed Southern Kaioshin.

Just my thoughts..

Or, I could have overlooked it in one of the episodes and am about to be shot down in flames by the next post!

The point is, he is still capable of absorbing fighters. The only reason why absorbing the Kaioshins made him so much weaker and naive was because of how pure the Dai Kaioshin was, I mean that guy was like Goku but with more purity than anyone could imagine. I'm unsure if absorbing the South Kaioshin would've made Buu stronger or weaker, I think it's stated he became a bit weaker?

MajinMetroid · Post by **MajinMetroid** » Tue Sep 26, 2006 6:40 am

Cell, no contest.

Cell has part of Goku in him and Goku never loses so Cell couldn't lose unless the person he's fighting has more Goku in him/her (Gohan for example).

So, unless Buu managed to absorb Goku or one of his sons, I'd say Cell.

(Mainly a joke post

)

Conan the SSJ · Post by **Conan the SSJ** » Tue Sep 26, 2006 8:22 am

MajinMetroid wrote:Cell, no contest.

Cell has part of Goku in him and Goku never loses so Cell couldn't lose unless the person he's fighting has more Goku in him/her (Gohan for example).

So, unless Buu managed to absorb Goku or one of his sons, I'd say Cell.

(Mainly a joke post )

Goku never loses, eh? Ohh, I dunno...

Goku Vs. Jackie Chun: Lost.
Goku Vs. Tao (Round 1): Lost.
Goku Vs. Tien (22nd Budokai): Lost.
Goku Vs. Old Piccolo Daimao: Lost.
SSJ Goku Vs. Android 19: Lost.
SSJ Goku Vs. Perfect Cell: Lost.
SSJ2 Goku Vs. Majin Vegeta: Lost.

Victator Supreme · Post by **Victator Supreme** » Tue Sep 26, 2006 8:41 am

Is it so much trouble to say "IMO",

Yes it is. Even if it were not, it would not be needed in this case since it is not just my opinon. Its flat out said that Goku is exhausted from the fight.

Perfect Weapon · Post by **Perfect Weapon** » Tue Sep 26, 2006 1:07 pm

Mr.Piccolo wrote: Buu
Regenerate
Can see a move and do it
Get stronger after near death exp.
Is insane. One more time- insane.

I don't recall Buu gaining any power after nearly dying, in fact, his power seems to remain constant, no matter what happens.

This is really a strategy/intelligence Vs. insanity/stamina type of battle.

Cell is a smarter, better fighter, but even he would have trouble truly eliminating a menance like Kid Buu.

Perhaps his only chance on winning would be stringing together a highly intelligent combination of special attacks (pardon for the use of dub names) Solar Flare + Instaneous Transmission + Spirit Bomb to defeat Buu.

If he doesn't, Buu will most likely wear him down, over a large period of time.

I'd sit on a 50/50 split decision.

jwimz · Post by **jwimz** » Tue Sep 26, 2006 1:14 pm

You forgot one Conan, Goku vs. Vegeta, if it wasn't for Yajirobe (of all people) Goku would've been crushed to death! Goku clearly lost that battle, even though Vegeta counted it a loss since a low-class Saiyan could match him.

Back on topic.

Buu would win hands down, he has the quickest regeration ability, furthest reach (but not as much as Streach Armstrong

), and could absorb Cell (if it came down to it). Both of them know Instant Transmission so they are equal in speed when it comes to that, and Buu can mimic any attack that Cell throws at him.

MajinMetroid · Post by **MajinMetroid** » Tue Sep 26, 2006 3:27 pm

MajinMetroid wrote:
Cell, no contest.

Cell has part of Goku in him and Goku never loses so Cell couldn't lose unless the person he's fighting has more Goku in him/her (Gohan for example).

So, unless Buu managed to absorb Goku or one of his sons, I'd say Cell.

(Mainly a joke post Wink )
Goku never loses, eh? Ohh, I dunno...

Goku Vs. Jackie Chun: Lost.
Goku Vs. Tao (Round 1): Lost.
Goku Vs. Tenshinhan (22nd Budokai): Lost.
Goku Vs. Old Piccolo Daimao: Lost.
SSJ Goku Vs. Android 19: Lost.
SSJ Goku Vs. Perfect Cell: Lost.
SSJ2 Goku Vs. Majin Vegeta: Lost.

Wink

So crucify me! It was meant as a joke, not a statement of fact! Geez!

Perfect Weapon · Post by **Perfect Weapon** » Wed Sep 27, 2006 2:10 am

jwimz wrote: Buu would win hands down, he has the quickest regeration ability, furthest reach (but not as much as Streach Armstrong ), and could absorb Cell (if it came down to it). Both of them know Instant Transmission so they are equal in speed when it comes to that, and Buu can mimic any attack that Cell throws at him.

I would assume Cell could also extend his form as well, seeing as Piccolo can do it. =/

Godo · Post by **Godo** » Wed Sep 27, 2006 2:16 am

Kid Buu is faster than Cell as SSJ2 Vegeta>Super Kanzentai Cell and that Vegeta said that Kid Buu was so strong and yet to fast.

Duo · Post by **Duo** » Wed Sep 27, 2006 3:39 am

Godo wrote:Kid Buu is faster than Cell as SSJ2 Vegeta>Super Kanzentai Cell and that Vegeta said that Kid Buu was so strong and yet to fast.

Failure.

Read the first post again carefully and try again.

Conan the SSJ · Post by **Conan the SSJ** » Wed Sep 27, 2006 5:49 am

MajinMetroid wrote:So crucify me! It was meant as a joke, not a statement of fact! Geez!

Damn dude, take it easy. If I were as serious as you think, then I'd include movie and GT battles as well. No need to get so bent out of shape over one post. Besides, I didn't realize "Goku never losing" was the part you were joking about. *hands Metroid a glass of ice-tea*

Godo · Post by **Godo** » Wed Sep 27, 2006 6:25 am

Duo wrote:
Godo wrote:Kid Buu is faster than Cell as SSJ2 Vegeta>Super Kanzentai Cell and that Vegeta said that Kid Buu was so strong and yet to fast.
Failure.

Read the first post again carefully and try again.

I have no problem reading. Just a mistake from my side due to too little sleep. No need to tell me, I would have found that out by myself soon enough. You could have PM:ed me instead?

Victator Supreme · Post by **Victator Supreme** » Wed Sep 27, 2006 6:55 am

Let's see: Earth (every living being there), Namek (all Namekians along with the Kaioshins), and Enma's check-in station. 2-and-a-half?

I always assumed that Goku took the power of the Kaioshins planet as well.

MajinMetroid · Post by **MajinMetroid** » Wed Sep 27, 2006 7:06 am

*sips the tea*

*sigh* Okay... I'm better now...

Mr.Piccolo · Post by **Mr.Piccolo** » Wed Sep 27, 2006 10:04 am

Perfect Weapon wrote:
Mr.Piccolo wrote: Buu
Regenerate
Can see a move and do it
Get stronger after near death exp.
Is insane. One more time- insane.
Oooh, thats why I get for the copy+paste technique.

SSJ2 Goku Vs. Majin Vegeta: Lost.

I laugh at this. The fact that Vegeta had to resort to a sneak attack to knock out Goku doesn't mean he won. I hear this all the time. If Goku really cared about the fight, to settle the score if you will, then he would go level three. To the person who put the post about Goku's loses, I'm too lazy to quote, you really, really don't want a Goku win to loss ratio. It is the Goku show, you know.

Victator Supreme · Post by **Victator Supreme** » Wed Sep 27, 2006 5:51 pm

Goku did not go to leval 3 because he knew it would drain most of the time he had left. He was going all out against Vegeta at Super Saiyan 2. The quicker the fight could end, the quicker he could stop Babidi. But Super Saiyan 3 was too risky at that point.

Conan the SSJ · Post by **Conan the SSJ** » Wed Sep 27, 2006 6:36 pm

Victator Supreme wrote:Goku did not go to leval 3 because he knew it would drain most of the time he had left. He was going all out against Vegeta at Super Saiyan 2. The quicker the fight could end, the quicker he could stop Babidi. But Super Saiyan 3 was too risky at that point.

Indeed, Super Saiyan 3 was literally his last resort and anyone could tell that Goku lying to Kuririn and Piccolo about not being able to beat Buu showed how much he didn't wanna use it on Earth. Regarding his battle against Majin Vegeta, while it was a sneak attack that ended the battle, it was still Vegeta's victory. While he didn't win because of strength, he won because of strategy; basically to Vegeta and probably the viewer, Goku was still just as naive as in their first battle.

Victator Supreme · Post by **Victator Supreme** » Wed Sep 27, 2006 7:04 pm

Oh Goku, his only weakness is being retarded.