The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by rereboy » Sat Nov 01, 2014 7:19 pm

Kid Buu wrote:According to Death Battle, a Mighty Morphin Power Ranger is 32x stronger than the average human, which means their power level should be 160.

White Ranger Vs. Daimao Arc Yajirobe.
They say that because a power range once threw a 2 ton car. Well, Goku also threw a car in the first chapter of Dragon Ball.

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Post by White Oni » Sat Nov 01, 2014 8:54 pm

rereboy wrote:
Kid Buu wrote:According to Death Battle, a Mighty Morphin Power Ranger is 32x stronger than the average human, which means their power level should be 160.

White Ranger Vs. Daimao Arc Yajirobe.
They say that because a power range once threw a 2 ton car. Well, Goku also threw a car in the first chapter of Dragon Ball.
Lol this^


Yajirobe decimates the white ranger.

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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by Kid Buu » Sat Nov 01, 2014 10:29 pm

Hmm, how about White Ranger Vs. Kid Goku before he learned the Kamehameha?
RandomGuy96 wrote:Also, Death Battle is pretty much the laughing stock of every versus community. So I'd take what they say with a grain of salt.
I wouldn't be surprised if that was the case, because even I've been questioning some of their other videos I've watched (like the Chun-Li/Mai one).
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Post by White Oni » Sun Nov 02, 2014 12:01 am

I'd be fine with death battle if it was just their humble opinion or a "what if" hypothetical, but their level of arrogance is extremely obnoxious, and their ignorance makes it just that much more insufferable.

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Post by RandomGuy96 » Sun Nov 02, 2014 12:42 am

Their Doomguy vs Master Chief and Vegeta vs Shadow videos are particularly bad. Actually, so is Goku vs Superman. I don't even necessarily disagree with that result, just the method they used to reach it.
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dbgtFO wrote: Please elaborate as I do not know what you mean by "pushing Vegeta's destruction"
He's probably referring to the Bardock special. Zarbon was the one who first recommended destroying Planet Vegeta because the saiyans were rapidly growing in strength.
It was actually Beerus disguised as Zarbon #StayWoke
Herms wrote:The fact that the ridiculous power inflation is presented so earnestly makes me just roll my eyes and snicker. Like with Freeza, where he starts off over 10 times stronger than all his henchmen except Ginyu (because...well, just because), then we find out he can transform and get even more powerful, and then he reveals he can transform two more times, before finally coming out with the fact that he hasn't even been using anywhere near 50% of his power. Oh, and he can survive in the vacuum of space. All this stuff is just presented as the way Freeza is, without even an attempt at rationalizing it, yet the tone dictates we're supposed to take all this silly grasping at straws as thrilling danger. So I guess I don't really take the power inflation in the Boo arc seriously, but I don't take the power inflation in earlier arcs seriously either, so there's no net loss of seriousness. I think a silly story presented as serious is harder to accept than a silly story presented as silly.

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Post by dbzfan7 » Sun Nov 02, 2014 1:29 am

Never had outcome problems but ok

Z Krillin masters 20x Kaio-Ken, how strong does that make him?
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Post by White Oni » Sun Nov 02, 2014 1:14 pm

dbzfan7 wrote:Never had outcome problems but ok

Z Krillin masters 20x Kaio-Ken, how strong does that make him?
Oh that's easy, 20x stronger than he was before he mastered it.

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Post by dbzfan7 » Sun Nov 02, 2014 1:33 pm

White Oni wrote:
dbzfan7 wrote:Never had outcome problems but ok

Z Krillin masters 20x Kaio-Ken, how strong does that make him?
Oh that's easy, 20x stronger than he was before he mastered it.
Compared to others. We know that much.
Why Dragon Ball Consistency in something such as power levels matter!

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Post by White Oni » Sun Nov 02, 2014 4:41 pm

dbzfan7 wrote:
White Oni wrote:
dbzfan7 wrote:Never had outcome problems but ok

Z Krillin masters 20x Kaio-Ken, how strong does that make him?
Oh that's easy, 20x stronger than he was before he mastered it.
Compared to others. We know that much.
Oh ok, tell me how strong he was, compared to the others, at the end of z, and I'll tell you how strong he'd be if he mastered x20 kaio-ken.

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Post by dbzfan7 » Sun Nov 02, 2014 8:12 pm

White Oni wrote:Oh ok, tell me how strong he was, compared to the others, at the end of z, and I'll tell you how strong he'd be if he mastered x20 kaio-ken.
I could do that myself if I wanted to. This question is for everyone else. This is on yours and who else's opinion of how strong Krillin would be. It would factor in Gero's comments or any other implications.
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Post by Bullza » Wed Nov 05, 2014 7:17 pm

Goku vs Eneru

Who wins that fight?

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Post by dbzfan7 » Wed Nov 05, 2014 9:54 pm

Bullza wrote:Goku vs Eneru

Who wins that fight?
That guy from One Piece? Well there was this.

http://tu.tv/videos/goku-y-luffy-vs-enel
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Post by The Monkey King » Thu Nov 06, 2014 10:03 pm

Bullza wrote:Goku vs Eneru

Who wins that fight?
If ki = haki is on Goku punches him into smitherines

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Post by Darkron2151 » Thu Nov 06, 2014 10:09 pm

Lotta Match-Ups:
  • Krillin (Android Saga) vs. Gohan (Android Saga)

    Yamcha (Android Saga) vs. Salza (Note: I have Sauzer beating Second Form Freeza :P )

    Super Saiyan Trunks (EOZ) vs. Super Saiyan Gohan (World Tournament Saga)

    Super Saiyan 2 Vegeta (EOZ) vs. Mr. Buu

    Super Saiyan Goku (EOZ) vs. Full Power Perfect Cell (Cell Games)

    Hypothetical Super Saiyan 2 Vegeta (Cell Games) vs. Full Power Perfect Cell (Cell Games)

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Post by RandomGuy96 » Thu Nov 06, 2014 10:14 pm

Darkron2151 wrote:Lotta Match-Ups:
  • Krillin (Android Saga) vs. Gohan (Android Saga)

    Yamcha (Android Saga) vs. Sauzer (Note: I have Sauzer beating Second Form Freeza :P )

    Super Saiyan Trunks (EOZ) vs. Super Saiyan Gohan (World Tournament Saga)

    Super Saiyan 2 Vegeta (EOZ) vs. Mr. Buu

    Super Saiyan Goku (EOZ) vs. Full Power Perfect Cell (Cell Games)

    Hypothetical Super Saiyan 2 Vegeta (Cell Games) vs. Full Power Perfect Cell (Cell Games)
Probably Gohan.

Salza. I'm really generous to Yamcha due to the Gero implications, putting him at around 2 million, but I also have Salza surpassing that by a decent margin (2.5 million or thereabouts). He also actually has some skill, while Yamcha is a dolt.

Trunks didn't do any significant training, so Gohan should still be able to handle him.

Buu stomps. Goku and Vegeta haven't improved that much, as Goku still considers Uub to be a potentially good fight, and Toriyama stated that BOG was the height of their strength (and BOG base Goku was weaker than Freeza).

Goku. Full Power Perfect Cell probably wasn't that strong. He used his full speed (which should be proportional to his full power) on Gohan, and while he was faster, he wasn't drastically faster. Gohan could still dodge and land a hit. So his power probably isn't dimensions above that level. Strong enough to easily win, yes, but not strong enough to one-shot Gohan or anything. SS Gohan is officially the same strength in the CG and Buu arc, so SS Goku, who was a lot stronger than the latter in the Buu arc, and even stronger after training some, shouldn't have too much trouble with Cell.

Cell stomps Vegeta hard. I think that this would MAYBE make Vegeta as strong as CG SS Gohan.
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dbgtFO wrote: Please elaborate as I do not know what you mean by "pushing Vegeta's destruction"
He's probably referring to the Bardock special. Zarbon was the one who first recommended destroying Planet Vegeta because the saiyans were rapidly growing in strength.
It was actually Beerus disguised as Zarbon #StayWoke
Herms wrote:The fact that the ridiculous power inflation is presented so earnestly makes me just roll my eyes and snicker. Like with Freeza, where he starts off over 10 times stronger than all his henchmen except Ginyu (because...well, just because), then we find out he can transform and get even more powerful, and then he reveals he can transform two more times, before finally coming out with the fact that he hasn't even been using anywhere near 50% of his power. Oh, and he can survive in the vacuum of space. All this stuff is just presented as the way Freeza is, without even an attempt at rationalizing it, yet the tone dictates we're supposed to take all this silly grasping at straws as thrilling danger. So I guess I don't really take the power inflation in the Boo arc seriously, but I don't take the power inflation in earlier arcs seriously either, so there's no net loss of seriousness. I think a silly story presented as serious is harder to accept than a silly story presented as silly.

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Post by Darkron2151 » Thu Nov 06, 2014 10:26 pm

RandomGuy96 wrote: Buu stomps. Goku and Vegeta haven't improved that much, as Goku still considers Uub to be a potentially good fight, and Toriyama stated that BOG was the height of their strength (and BOG base Goku was weaker than Freeza).
So wait, does this mean BOG Vegeta is greater than or equal to EOZ Vegeta? :| So five more years of training after the previous five years of training didn't yield any results? That just doesn't seem right. If it's true, it's true I guess, but I still don't like it :problem: .

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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by RandomGuy96 » Thu Nov 06, 2014 10:27 pm

Darkron2151 wrote:
RandomGuy96 wrote: Buu stomps. Goku and Vegeta haven't improved that much, as Goku still considers Uub to be a potentially good fight, and Toriyama stated that BOG was the height of their strength (and BOG base Goku was weaker than Freeza).
So wait, does this mean BOG Vegeta is greater than or equal to EOZ Vegeta? :| So five more years of training after the previous five years of training didn't yield any results? That just doesn't seem right. If it's true, it's true I guess, but I still don't like it :problem: .
That's what Toriyama said, yeah. I guess it's because they were too old, so their training merely stopped them from slowly losing power, rather than actually gaining them any? Goku was about fifty at the EOZ, and Vegeta was a few years older. The younger of the two was a grandpa.
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dbgtFO wrote: Please elaborate as I do not know what you mean by "pushing Vegeta's destruction"
He's probably referring to the Bardock special. Zarbon was the one who first recommended destroying Planet Vegeta because the saiyans were rapidly growing in strength.
It was actually Beerus disguised as Zarbon #StayWoke
Herms wrote:The fact that the ridiculous power inflation is presented so earnestly makes me just roll my eyes and snicker. Like with Freeza, where he starts off over 10 times stronger than all his henchmen except Ginyu (because...well, just because), then we find out he can transform and get even more powerful, and then he reveals he can transform two more times, before finally coming out with the fact that he hasn't even been using anywhere near 50% of his power. Oh, and he can survive in the vacuum of space. All this stuff is just presented as the way Freeza is, without even an attempt at rationalizing it, yet the tone dictates we're supposed to take all this silly grasping at straws as thrilling danger. So I guess I don't really take the power inflation in the Boo arc seriously, but I don't take the power inflation in earlier arcs seriously either, so there's no net loss of seriousness. I think a silly story presented as serious is harder to accept than a silly story presented as silly.

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Post by Darkron2151 » Thu Nov 06, 2014 11:01 pm

RandomGuy96 wrote: That's what Toriyama said, yeah. I guess it's because they were too old, so their training merely stopped them from slowly losing power, rather than actually gaining them any? Goku was about fifty at the EOZ, and Vegeta was a few years older. The younger of the two was a grandpa.
Couldn't that quote just mean that they were stronger at that point in the series than any other point before that (BOZ to Buu)? The context of the quote was stating how this movie took place years after the Buu arc, so it could just be comparing their powers now to what they had been just prior.

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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by xmysticgohanx » Thu Nov 06, 2014 11:19 pm

Bullza wrote:Goku vs Eneru

Who wins that fight?
lol? 23rd Budokai/BoZ Goku wins
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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by RandomGuy96 » Thu Nov 06, 2014 11:34 pm

Darkron2151 wrote:
RandomGuy96 wrote: That's what Toriyama said, yeah. I guess it's because they were too old, so their training merely stopped them from slowly losing power, rather than actually gaining them any? Goku was about fifty at the EOZ, and Vegeta was a few years older. The younger of the two was a grandpa.
Couldn't that quote just mean that they were stronger at that point in the series than any other point before that (BOZ to Buu)? The context of the quote was stating how this movie took place years after the Buu arc, so it could just be comparing their powers now to what they had been just prior.
Nope. He specifically mentions that he didn't set it at the end because "Man, I sure made everyone old". He then immediately says that five years after Buu was where everyone was at maximum strength.
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dbgtFO wrote: Please elaborate as I do not know what you mean by "pushing Vegeta's destruction"
He's probably referring to the Bardock special. Zarbon was the one who first recommended destroying Planet Vegeta because the saiyans were rapidly growing in strength.
It was actually Beerus disguised as Zarbon #StayWoke
Herms wrote:The fact that the ridiculous power inflation is presented so earnestly makes me just roll my eyes and snicker. Like with Freeza, where he starts off over 10 times stronger than all his henchmen except Ginyu (because...well, just because), then we find out he can transform and get even more powerful, and then he reveals he can transform two more times, before finally coming out with the fact that he hasn't even been using anywhere near 50% of his power. Oh, and he can survive in the vacuum of space. All this stuff is just presented as the way Freeza is, without even an attempt at rationalizing it, yet the tone dictates we're supposed to take all this silly grasping at straws as thrilling danger. So I guess I don't really take the power inflation in the Boo arc seriously, but I don't take the power inflation in earlier arcs seriously either, so there's no net loss of seriousness. I think a silly story presented as serious is harder to accept than a silly story presented as silly.

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