Would you have preferred it if Roshi trained with Kami too?

Angelus · Post by **Angelus** » Fri Nov 07, 2014 8:02 pm

Logically, he was still significant at the the start of Z. Roshi was 139 while Krillin was 196. Same league. Yet Roshi was excluded.from the Saiyan invasion training.

How would you have liked it if Roshi was trained too? And if Roshi joined the fight too. Heck, even hire Tao to attack the Saiyans too. Tao won't know he's Worthless anyways.

How would you feel if that happened? Nappa would still win of course.

Artyom · Post by **Artyom** » Fri Nov 07, 2014 8:39 pm

I think it would have been a nice addition to the saiyan saga, however even keeping him in the same league as krillin during the nappa fight would have just equalled another casualty really.
The notion of keeping roshi relevant for a little longer is a nice thought but ultimately it would just be more clutter to the already over populated "people who aren't goku" group.

Enough respectable characters became failures and jokes without adding the legendary Roshi to the list .

Post by **TheDevilsCorpse** » Fri Nov 07, 2014 9:22 pm

He didn't need to. I don't think it's because he couldn't still be made relevant, he probably still could have gotten a decent chunk stronger even with his advanced age. But he chose to step down on his own because of the potential he saw in the next generation.

And if you're just going to add him to the list of casualties at Nappa's hand, there is really no reason to throw him into the mix. The Saiyans had a big enough slaughter count.

dbzfan7 · Post by **dbzfan7** » Fri Nov 07, 2014 9:52 pm

TheDevilsCorpse wrote:He didn't need to. I don't think it's because he couldn't still be made relevant, he probably still could have gotten a decent chunk stronger even with his advanced age. But he chose to step down on his own because of the potential he saw in the next generation.

This. Roshi already stepped down for the next generation. He was perfectly happy to see they would continue training and always try to better themselves. He was no longer needed and couldn't do much more at his age.

Angelus · Post by **Angelus** » Fri Nov 07, 2014 10:16 pm

Jackie Chun retired, not Roshi. Why else would Roshi bother with King Piccolo if he was to leave it to the next generation?

Post by **TheDevilsCorpse** » Fri Nov 07, 2014 10:25 pm

Angelus wrote:Jackie Chun retired, not Roshi. Why else would Roshi bother with King Piccolo if he was to leave it to the next generation?

They are the same person; it still applies. The only reason he stepped in for Daimao is because Goku "died" and Piccolo was a demon from his past. He felt responsible to take care of it, same as his master did. The Saiyans, and everyone thereafter, weren't "his" responsibility.

Cabel · Post by **Cabel** » Fri Nov 07, 2014 10:31 pm

Angelus wrote:Jackie Chun retired, not Roshi. Why else would Roshi bother with King Piccolo if he was to leave it to the next generation?

He had history with Piccolo and was the only one who knew the Mafuba, and he was going to attempt it knowing it would cost him his life. As far he was concerned, he was still ending his story on his own terms.

dbzfan7 · Post by **dbzfan7** » Fri Nov 07, 2014 10:53 pm

Angelus wrote:Jackie Chun retired, not Roshi. Why else would Roshi bother with King Piccolo if he was to leave it to the next generation?

As others have said he believed Goku probably died when he went after Tambourine when exhausted. Roshi also believed no one could beat Piccolo Daimao in a fight. However since he was the sole person who knew the Mafuba, he was the only one capable of sealing away Piccolo Daimao.

Angelus · Post by **Angelus** » Sat Nov 08, 2014 1:19 am

Well, okay. Still doesn't sound like a true retirement to me, but I got the gist of it. Jackie did retire from his WMAT career before the King Piccolo saga started but that act wasn't a "I won't ever step in ever again if anything comes up".

But anyways, let's get back to the main topic, would you have liked it?

Blade · Post by **Blade** » Sat Nov 08, 2014 10:06 am

In terms of actual battle power prohibiting his involvement in the early Saiyan battles, Roshi wasn't a world away from where Chaozu was at the time.

It makes sense to me that he didn't seek training from Kami, as he was an old man at the time and was well past his prime. I think, however, it would have been nice to see him more closely involved in the tactical aspects of those early battles - as perhaps more could have made of his wisdom.

Angelus · Post by **Angelus** » Sun Nov 09, 2014 11:22 pm

Blade wrote:In terms of actual battle power prohibiting his involvement in the early Saiyan battles, Roshi wasn't a world away from where Chaozu was at the time.

Exactly.

mAcChaos · Post by **mAcChaos** » Mon Nov 10, 2014 2:38 am

I always thought Roshi was as powerful as he was BECAUSE he was so old, not despite it. He had 300 years to train. He was probably around his prime... Or do you guys think he was actually stronger in his youth? It hasn't seemed to be an issue in Dragonball.

Artyom · Post by **Artyom** » Mon Nov 10, 2014 8:11 am

mAcChaos wrote:I always thought Roshi was as powerful as he was BECAUSE he was so old, not despite it. He had 300 years to train. He was probably around his prime... Or do you guys think he was actually stronger in his youth? It hasn't seemed to be an issue in Dragonball.

I haven't thought about that actually, good point though!
who knows if age affects roshi the same as a normal human due to his immortality?

Hitiro · Post by **Hitiro** » Mon Nov 10, 2014 8:26 am

mAcChaos wrote:I always thought Roshi was as powerful as he was BECAUSE he was so old, not despite it. He had 300 years to train. He was probably around his prime... Or do you guys think he was actually stronger in his youth? It hasn't seemed to be an issue in Dragonball.

He did say that he had gotten weaker through not training over the years. I feel it was his age that was a significant factor in this too. By the 22nd TB he had gotten back to his original strength. But I assume if he didn't keep up the training then that would steadily fall off again due to age.

Artyom wrote:I haven't thought about that actually, good point though!
who knows if age affects roshi the same as a normal human due to his immortality?

We know know if actually has eternal life though. While we can make the assumption that he won't die of old age I don't think there is any definitive proof that he won't. For all we know he and his sister can just live for a really long amount of time and will eventually succumb to the effects of age. It isn't really any different than a Namekian having a huge lifespan because that is their races attribute. Or Tenshinhan having a third eye and being able to spawn new arms from his body because he has alien ancestry. Daizenshu #4 and #7 say that Tenshinhan comes from an alien race called the "3-Eyed Tribe."

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