Unpopular DB opinions

[Kid Buu]

Except an interesting fight with interesting strategy/techniques and even an opportunity for two more secondary characters to shine. All in all, pretty much everything that later arcs lacked.

Much like every other quarter-final match in that tournament, it was a predictable stomp match. The only interesting part was the Sokidan.

[ABED]

The fight isn't that long, it lasts the length of an episode, so it doesn't overstay its welcome. What we do see is interesting, funny, and has some cool attacks. So what if it was a stomp match? if only all "stomp" fights were that good.

[Kid Buu]

I don't mind it once in a while, but it's literally every fight of the tournament until the final act. It gets tiring.

[ABED]

I don't mind it once in a while, but it's literally every fight of the tournament until the final act. It gets tiring.

But they're all different. The Kami vs. Piccolo match was hardly one sided, and while Goku was holding back in his match against Tenshinhan, it was a lot of fun to watch. Tenshinhan got in a fair bit of offense and it was great seeing how much Goku learned in the intervening years. The only things that get tiring is the one sided fights where the stronger opponent doesn't even flinch.

[rereboy]

Except an interesting fight with interesting strategy/techniques and even an opportunity for two more secondary characters to shine. All in all, pretty much everything that later arcs lacked.

Much like every other quarter-final match in that tournament, it was a predictable stomp match. The only interesting part was the Sokidan.

So, just because the winner was almost a given thing, its not interesting? Well, its very predictable that the good guys will win at the end in Dragon Ball. There, no fights in Dragon Ball are interesting according to your criteria. We don't know exactly how it will happen, but it will and its predictable, so... not interesting. Why do you even treat the fight with Goku and Piccolo Jr as different? It was very predicable that Goku would win and stop Piccolo from taking over the world. Even if he actually lost the fight, it would be predicable that he would somehow eventually stop him afterwards. So, why is it interesting?

Honestly, I don't even understand that notion...

[singsing]

Except an interesting fight with interesting strategy/techniques and even an opportunity for two more secondary characters to shine. All in all, pretty much everything that later arcs lacked.

Much like every other quarter-final match in that tournament, it was a predictable stomp match. The only interesting part was the Sokidan.

So, just because the winner was almost a given thing, its not interesting? Well, its very predictable that the good guys will win at the end in Dragon Ball. There, no fights in Dragon Ball are interesting according to your criteria. We don't know exactly how it will happen, but it will and its predictable, so... not interesting. Why do you even treat the fight with Goku and Piccolo Jr as different? It was very predicable that Goku would win and stop Piccolo from taking over the world. Even if he actually lost the fight, it would be predicable that he would somehow eventually stop him afterwards. So, why is it interesting?

Honestly, I don't even understand that notion...

But it took Goku 3 tournaments to win...

[rereboy]

But it took Goku 3 tournaments to win...

Doesn't matter, it was predictable that he was going to win, so the how doesn't matter, right? Who cares if it was only at his third or his first? We knew that he would, doesn't matter the how. Not to mention that it wasn't really predictable that he would win the 21st since it was against his master and nothing was at risk, so only the 22nd was somewhat surprising. So, at most, only that fight in the 22nd was slightly interesting, right?

Obviously, I don't agree with this, I'm just showing how this notion of "predictability" that forgets that the "how" is what matters the most is kind of ridiculous.

[Kid Buu]

Except an interesting fight with interesting strategy/techniques and even an opportunity for two more secondary characters to shine. All in all, pretty much everything that later arcs lacked.

Much like every other quarter-final match in that tournament, it was a predictable stomp match. The only interesting part was the Sokidan.

So, just because the winner was almost a given thing, its not interesting? Well, its very predictable that the good guys will win at the end in Dragon Ball. There, no fights in Dragon Ball are interesting according to your criteria. We don't know exactly how it will happen, but it will and its predictable, so... not interesting. Why do you even treat the fight with Goku and Piccolo Jr as different? It was very predicable that Goku would win and stop Piccolo from taking over the world. Even if he actually lost the fight, it would be predicable that he would somehow eventually stop him afterwards. So, why is it interesting?

Honestly, I don't even understand that notion...

I like fights that actually have tension and meaning. If something is built-up and nothing of consequences happens, it becomes anti-climatic and pointless. Like Piccolo against Freeza Form 2. I know Piccolo isn't going to beat Freeza, so I don't know why the narrative is trying to waste my time with the idea that he can.

[rereboy]

I like fights that actually have tension and meaning. If something is built-up and nothing of consequences happens, it becomes anti-climatic and pointless. Like Piccolo against Freeza Form 2. I know Piccolo isn't going to beat Freeza, so I don't know why the narrative is trying to waste my time with the idea that he can.

Yeah, I also don't understand the notion of everything having to be "serious business" to be liked. Especially in Dragon Ball. I don't need to have the fate of the world or people's lives to be at risk to enjoy an awesome fight, especially since that "tension" is only apparent because, like I stated, the good guys will win at the end.

Much rather have an awesome tournament with awesome fights with basically nothing at risk than a huge uninspired fight with much less strategy and less actual awesome fighting moves and techniques and such for the fate of the planet.

[Kid Buu]

Immediately your mind goes to "huge uninspired fight with much less strategy and less actual awesome fighting moves and techniques and such for the fate of the planet." So much shame.

[ABED]

When Piccolo and Freeza are fighting, do we know Freeza has two more transformations? While we know Piccolo won't win, it does buy Goku more time and gives the antagonist a fight. Up to that point, things looked hopeless, and if all we got was "it's hopeless" it gets boring. It was interesting to see a light at the end of the tunnel but have the rug pulled out from under the heroes. It's not about the destination, it's about the journey.

[rereboy]

Immediately your mind goes to "huge uninspired fight with much less strategy and less actual awesome fighting moves and techniques and such for the fate of the planet." So much shame.

Oh? Where is the shame in preferring a fight with more strategy and more awesome fighting moves and techniques and more inspiration, even if its not a huge fight and there's nothing at risk, and saying that a big uninspired fight with less awesome fighting moves and techniques where the fate of the world in on the line is kind of contrary to that? Ideally, I would rather it had it all, but if I had to choose, then I see no shame in choosing that. But I'm sure you actually have a very good reason to claim its shameful and will fully explain it, instead of just tossing the comment.

[Kid Buu]

You can have meaningful fights without it being apocalyptic is what I'm trying to say. The 22nd Budokai had plenty. Yamcha/Tenshinhan, Krillin/Chaozu, Jackie Chun/Tenshinhan, and Goku/Tenshinhan were all important to the story.

[rereboy]

You can have meaningful fights without it being apocalyptic is what I'm trying to say. The 22nd Budokai had plenty. Yamcha/Tenshinhan, Krillin/Chaozu, Jackie Chun/Tenshinhan, and Goku/Tenshinhan were all important to the story.

I was referencing the end of the spectrum so that my example was perfectly clear. As I'm sure you realized my point was that I don't need to have "serious business" to enjoy a fight, nor does that make automatically a fight good, nor do I understand the notion of having to have it and everything else just being superfluous.

Also, Yamcha / Tenshinhan only serves to build up Tenshinhan as a bad guy by having him break Yamcha's leg and it was obvious that Yamcha would lose (but it was also an interesting fight where both fighters got to shine). Yamcha / Kami also only serves to build up Kami as a surprise participant of the tournament who will influence things a great deal later on and it was also obvious that Yamcha would lose (but it was also an interesting fight where both fighters got to shine). I fail to see the real distinction.

[Kid Buu]

Yamcha/Tenshinhan also is what instigates the feud between Goku and Tenshinhan. Also how did Kami influence things later on?

[rereboy]

Yamcha/Tenshinhan also is what instigates the feud between Goku and Tenshinhan. Also how did Kami influence things later on?

Aka builds him as the bad guy, which is what I said.

Kami's presence comes as a surprise, provides two great fights, and builds Piccolo's evilness when Piccolo defeats Kami, swallows him and taunts Goku with it since Goku wants to save Kami but can't without killing Piccolo which would kill Kami. Not to mention that if Goku hadn't figured out how to free him, Piccolo would have essentially made Earth's god disappear, even if Goku managed to defeat him.

And it all started with Yamcha / Kami and the surprise of his presence in the tournament that is revealed in that fight. So, its as useful and relevant as Yamcha / Tenshinhan, imo. I don't see any real strong distinction.

[Kid Buu]

And it also establishes a reason for Goku fighting Tenshinhan, since he wanted to avenge Yamcha.

Kami builds Piccolo evilness? We already knew that from the beginning. Kamis role in the Budokai doesn't even make sense storywise. Why would he try to stop Piccolo Junior and not Piccolo senior?

[Nikkolas]

You know, GT gets a lot of flack for being "Goku Time" but let's examine the Buu Saga shall we? This is the arc some on here have said is about "the next generation."

Yes, it's about the next generation being royal fuck-ups, accomplishing nothing, and then Goku has to save everyone anyway. Goten and Trunks never beat Buu, Gohan never killed Buu, both of them actually made Buu stronger thus increasing his threat to the Earth and the universe as a whole... In the end Goku killed Buu after the next generation failed countless times.

Basically GT was just continuing the tradition. Only this time it was without the bait-and-switch. Goten and Trunks ARE useless and are never treated as anything else while Goku is the only one who could save us, just as he was in the Buu Saga.

Really, the Cell Saga was the only Z Arc about "the next generation."

[rereboy]

And it also establishes a reason for Goku fighting Tenshinhan, since he wanted to avenge Yamcha.

Kami builds Piccolo evilness? We already knew that from the beginning. Kamis role in the Budokai doesn't even make sense storywise. Why would he try to stop Piccolo Junior and not Piccolo senior?

Remove the scene where Tenshinhan breaks Yamcha's leg. Everything else turns out the same. Tenshinhan founds out about Tao Pai Pai and all that, the Roshi stuff, and Goku would fight him all the same and in the same manner. Tenshinhan's breaking his leg builds his evilness but it doesn't really establish anything nor provides something that wouldn't happen otherwise. It just builds it.

Piccolo defeating Kami, and Kami in general, is the same. It builds his evilness but it doesn't really establish anything.

So, no strong distinction.

[Kid Buu]

Remove the scene where Tenshinhan breaks Yamcha's leg. Everything else turns out the same. Tenshinhan founds out about Tao Pai Pai and all that, the Roshi stuff, and Goku would fight him all the same and in the same manner. Tenshinhan's breaking his leg builds his evilness but it doesn't really establish anything nor provides something that wouldn't happen otherwise. It just builds it.

Uh yeah it does. None of what you listed after gives Goku a reason to hate Tenshinhan.

Piccolo defeating Kami, and Kami in general, is the same. It builds his evilness but it doesn't really establish anything.

So, no strong distinction.

It doesn't establish anything and it retrospective it kind of makes Kami look like a dick if anything. Like why did Kami try to stop Ma Junior but he didn't attack Daimao?