DragonBall Z Abridged

[Dbzfan94]

Didn't Super Buu talk about the "intelligence of Piccolo" when he was planning to absorb him? I'm sure his personality much have changed. The fact that he was able to plan for Gohan from before suggests he's smart already, but did he get smarter yet again? The manga seems to suggest that IIRC.

You can't really add intelligence and/or memories with out changing your personality. You'll retain the core aspects of your old self, but you are certainly going to act differently, and how you act is part of your personality. Or maybe that's moot, because how the character acts is what makes people like or dislike them, so even if we say his personality is the same, and he's just showing different emotions and acting differently, then someone can easily dislike that side of the "same" character.

Actually, this all demonstrates how fluid the concept of a "personality" even is. It's really just short hand with a load of grey areas.

He said "The power of Gotenks and the mind of Piccolo...unstoppable!" in the dub, don't know if he said that in the original, nor do I have my volumes with me to check lol

[RandomGuy96]

Didn't Super Buu talk about the "intelligence of Piccolo" when he was planning to absorb him? I'm sure his personality much have changed. The fact that he was able to plan for Gohan from before suggests he's smart already, but did he get smarter yet again? The manga seems to suggest that IIRC.

You can't really add intelligence and/or memories with out changing your personality. You'll retain the core aspects of your old self, but you are certainly going to act differently, and how you act is part of your personality. Or maybe that's moot, because how the character acts is what makes people like or dislike them, so even if we say his personality is the same, and he's just showing different emotions and acting differently, then someone can easily dislike that side of the "same" character.

Actually, this all demonstrates how fluid the concept of a "personality" even is. It's really just short hand with a load of grey areas.

Nah, he just says "...and that Piccolo guy's brains"' while going over what he was absorbing. He never mentions "intelligence", or changing his personality. Later, Gohan comments on him being "sober" after absorbing Piccolo, which he says is surprising.

A lot of people like to take this to mean Buu absorbed Piccolo to get smarter, but I think that's a clear misinterpretation of the scene. Since he hadn't actually seen Piccolo be particularly smart (by contrast, he had seen him do one or two smart things and several dumb things), didn't get any smarter after absorbing him (as you said, he was already smart, and his most cunning actions came before absorbing anyone), and didn't act at all like Piccolo (aside from, again, the way he talked), it makes much more sense if he's saying it in the context of "I'll absorb the green guy so his brain can balance out the negative traits I'll gain from absorbing the kid's brain". He only knew Piccolo as that guy who kept getting annoyed with Gotenks' immaturity.

He's still the same character, with the same personality, acting in the same way he has always acted.

[Regarder]

Nah, he just says "...and that Piccolo guy's brains"' while going over what he was absorbing. He never mentions "intelligence", or changing his personality.

Ah, so I remembered wrong. He didn't actually get any smarter, he just learned facts that Piccolo knew and his attacks.

He's still the same character, with the same personality, acting in the same way he has always acted.

I feel like this is the fluid, grey area thing, because you also said:

He acts the exact same way, he's just in a different situation and so is showing different emotions. He has the upper hand after spending most of his screen time either being bored or getting beaten up, so he's more serious and smug.

Showing different emotions and being more serious and smug is the same as acting different to me. Of course, just "acting different" doesn't mean you have a different personality, since we act different moment to moment. I suppose a "personality" is all the different ranges of how you act averaged over time, so it's true that he doesn't necessarily have a different personality just because he's acting different, anymore than someone seeing me get angry could conclude I had a personality transplant just because they've only seen me be calm.

Even so, all that means is that you can reinterpret KaiserNeko's preference as not liking Buu when he's displaying those emotions or being more serious and smug, rather than saying that he doesn't like the Buu with the more cunning personality. Either way, after Super Buu absorbs Piccolo and Gotenks he's behaving differently.

[dbzfan7]

And this blew way out of proportion....and this isn't even a Boo strength deabte

[Polyphase Avatron]

No, it's a Buu personality debate... something a bit new and refreshing for a change

[DBZGTKOSDH]

That was hilarious.

... Also I fucked up. Evil Buu to me included the character up until he absorbs Piccolo. Which... after looking it up, is called Super Buu. Which makes it really hard to distinguish between the good version of Super Buu (aka before he absorbs Piccolo) and the one I find boring (everything after, until Pure/Kid Buu.)

In Japan, Super Boo is officially called Majin Boo (Evil), so you are not wrong by calling him Evil Boo. The gray Boo is called Majin Boo (Pure Evil), though the fans that use the term Super Boo usually call him Evil Boo, but he is actually Pure Evil Boo.

[RandomGuy96]

That was hilarious.

... Also I fucked up. Evil Buu to me included the character up until he absorbs Piccolo. Which... after looking it up, is called Super Buu. Which makes it really hard to distinguish between the good version of Super Buu (aka before he absorbs Piccolo) and the one I find boring (everything after, until Pure/Kid Buu.)

In Japan, Super Boo is officially called Majin Boo (Evil), so you are not wrong by calling him Evil Boo. The gray Boo is called Majin Boo (Pure Evil), though the fans that use the term Super Boo usually call him Evil Boo, but he is actually Pure Evil Boo.

Actually, he has been called both Evil Buu and Super Buu in Japanese media. The Grey Buu has also occasionally been referred to as just Evil Buu/Majin Buu (Evil), such as in Daizenshuu 2 and the Buu's Fury video game. Though I'm not sure if he (the tall, intelligent, muscular one) has ever been called Evil Buu specifically rather than just Majin Buu (Evil). Funnily enough, that generic title has been used by some some sources (most notably the Daizenshuu battle list, but there might be more that I'm missing) to refer to all of the non-fat forms of Buu.

[dbzfan7]

No, it's a Buu personality debate... something a bit new and refreshing for a change

True we don't have a CODE PINK. Personality is a new discussion, but that's not what this thread is about ^^;

[DBZGTKOSDH]

Actually, he has been called both Evil Buu and Super Buu in Japanese media.

He has? When was he called Super Boo in Japan?

[RandomGuy96]

Actually, he has been called both Evil Buu and Super Buu in Japanese media.

He has? When was he called Super Boo in Japan?

From Herms' thread "The Many Names of Majin Boo"

Guidebooks
As mentioned already, Daizenshuu 2 refers to Pure Evil Boo, Evil Boo, and Pure Boo as just “Majin Boo (evil)”, while Daizenshuu 4 and 7 use the “evil” label to refer specifically to this form of Boo, a tradition which continued into DB Forever and the SEGs. Daizenshuu 6's section on DBZ movie 12 says that the movies' events, while contradicting the series in many ways, would occur roughly before the battle with "Super Boo" reached its climax. Exactly which form "Super Boo" refers to isn't specified, but Daizenshuu 6 came out after the release of the games Ultimate Battle 22 and Shin Butouden, which used the term to refer to Evil Boo (as detailed below). So probably they meant Evil Boo too, but since they refer to the "climax" of the battle, perhaps they are using the term to refer to Pure Boo or as a catch-all phrase indicating all forms of Boo besides Innocent/Good Boo, similar to how Daizenshuu 2 uses "Majin Boo (evil)". At any rate, I'm pretty sure this is the only point where any guidebooks use the term "Super Boo".

[Polyphase Avatron]

I like to call him "Grey Buu", as it leaves less ambiguity about which form I'm referring to.

[rereboy]

I like Skinny Buu. After all, we call the other Fat Buu.

[DBZGTKOSDH]

Actually, he has been called both Evil Buu and Super Buu in Japanese media.

He has? When was he called Super Boo in Japan?

From Herms' thread "The Many Names of Majin Boo"

Guidebooks
As mentioned already, Daizenshuu 2 refers to Pure Evil Boo, Evil Boo, and Pure Boo as just “Majin Boo (evil)”, while Daizenshuu 4 and 7 use the “evil” label to refer specifically to this form of Boo, a tradition which continued into DB Forever and the SEGs. Daizenshuu 6's section on DBZ movie 12 says that the movies' events, while contradicting the series in many ways, would occur roughly before the battle with "Super Boo" reached its climax. Exactly which form "Super Boo" refers to isn't specified, but Daizenshuu 6 came out after the release of the games Ultimate Battle 22 and Shin Butouden, which used the term to refer to Evil Boo (as detailed below). So probably they meant Evil Boo too, but since they refer to the "climax" of the battle, perhaps they are using the term to refer to Pure Boo or as a catch-all phrase indicating all forms of Boo besides Innocent/Good Boo, similar to how Daizenshuu 2 uses "Majin Boo (evil)". At any rate, I'm pretty sure this is the only point where any guidebooks use the term "Super Boo".

Interesting, and a little weird.

And now, back to DBZA.

[Saiga]

I remember my first exposure to the term "Super Buu" was from an Australian kid's magazine that frequently ran Q & A's about Dragon Ball. From what I remember the people answering the columns were decently knowledgeable, aside from the completely made up battle powers for certain parts of the series (I definitely remember SS4 Goku/Vegeta being given battle powers of something like 18,000,000 or 180,000,000 and SS4 Gogeta double that). Anyway, one of the questions was which form of Boo "Super Buu" referred to, and the answer was that this referred to Boo after absorbing Gotenks - he takes the "Super" from "Super Gotenks". Given that SS3 Gotenks is actually referred to as Super Gotenks in the manga, I actually like using Super Boo for his Gotenks-absorbed form instead of his pre-absorption form. Then Ultimate Boo for the Ultimate Gohan absorbed form. I tend to just say "X-absorbed" though, just to be clearer.

I like Skinny Buu. After all, we call the other Fat Buu.

I do as well (especially since he might not even have meant to originally be grey) but I still generally use Grey Boo because most people are probably going to tell which one that is.

[RandomGuy96]

Skinny Buu could also be referring to Pure Buu or even Super Buu, so I don't really like that one.

[Kamiccolo9]

Skinny Buu could also be referring to Pure Buu or even Super Buu, so I don't really like that one.

As opposed to "Evil" Buu? At least with "Skinny" Buu, there is the super obvious example of the emaciated grey one.

[RandomGuy96]

Skinny Buu could also be referring to Pure Buu or even Super Buu, so I don't really like that one.

As opposed to "Evil" Buu? At least with "Skinny" Buu, there is the super obvious example of the emaciated grey one.

Evil Buu is the most common fan name used to refer to the dark skinned one. Skinny Buu, on the other hand... I can't recall anyone regularly using it. Heck, even "Pure Evil Buu" isn't really a good name. Super, Pure, and Grey are all referred to as pure evil.

The lesson here is: context is important when talking about the Buus.

[rereboy]

Skinny Buu could also be referring to Pure Buu or even Super Buu, so I don't really like that one.

They are not skinny at all, they are normal or even muscular. There is only one Buu that actually looks anorectic and that's done on purpose to make him be the opposite in appearance of Fat Buu.

I don't like to call him Gray Buu because he probably wasn't gray at all in the manga, only in the anime.

I also don't consider pure evil Buu to be a good way to refer to him since kid buu is also pure evil, its not a exclusive characteristic.

[RandomGuy96]

Skinny Buu could also be referring to Pure Buu or even Super Buu, so I don't really like that one.

They are not skinny at all, they are normal or even muscular. There is only one Buu that actually looks anorectic and that's done on purpose to make him be the opposite in appearance of Fat Buu.

I don't like to call him Gray Buu because he probably wasn't gray at all in the manga, only in the anime.

Super and Pure are clearly skinny. They're not anorexic-looking, but they are skinny.

[rereboy]

Skinny Buu could also be referring to Pure Buu or even Super Buu, so I don't really like that one.

They are not skinny at all, they are normal or even muscular. There is only one Buu that actually looks anorectic and that's done on purpose to make him be the opposite in appearance of Fat Buu.

I don't like to call him Gray Buu because he probably wasn't gray at all in the manga, only in the anime.

Super and Pure are clearly skinny. They're not anorexic-looking, but they are skinny.

This is not skinny:

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Neither is this:

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Those are average builds for a fit adult and for a young kid. The only places were those builds would be considered skinny instead of average or even fit, would be in a country of fat people.

This however, is a skinny build for an adult:

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