Official On-Going DBZ 2015 Movie Thread: "Resurrection 'F'"

[RandomGuy96]

Actually, scratch what I said earlier. This is a great concept for the more overtly comedic tone Toriyama is going for. The movie could consist entirely of the gang trolling Freeza. Like, hey Freeza, there are now four Super Saiyans instead of just one. They can all kill you by flexing, including the kids. The gang also now has a teenage girl and a fat pink man baby among their ranks. They can also kill you by flexing.

Unfortunately, I doubt that it will work like that.

Like what ?

Freeza should have been reincarnated a long time ago.

The all-too-common "Freeza is now a worthless weakling who means nothing" attitude among some fans being murdered and buried with the same shovel? Heck yes.

That isn't a fan attitude. It was the attitude Toriyama and Toei took the moment Goku turned Super Saiyan.

[Mr.Judge]

Freeza will supposedly have ki-sensing from the start. No explanation needed just like no explanation were needed by ssj2 Gohan becoming mystic mid production causing red herring in power tiers , and Vegeta being strong enough to take a punch to the face from Beerus(Vegeta's arm and 18's Kick tell a different story who ever close enough in power levels compared to Beerus-Vegeta).King Kai planet info by guide books.

[Kamiccolo9]

Does anyone else think were finally going to get that age old question of what their power levels are now, with the scouters making a come back?

I hope so. All the years of the internet inflating and deflating the power levels of character after the Freeza Arc have been an issue and have lead to people being misinformed. Maybe we'll finally get some closure and know exactly what the numbers are for certain characters and transformation.

You're waaaay too optimistic. Releasing new numbers at this point would cause a civil war amongst the battle power crowd. Half of them would insist that "the numbers are cannon because akira said so," while the other half would be violently frothing at the mouth because "his numbers don't make since because in volume 17 chapter 3 this number was so and so and he overpowererd a guy who was so and so so a difference of .035 is all that's needed for a stomp." It would be a nightmare.

Not to mention that Shenlon couldn't bring villains back, cuz they are evil.

Not sure where you got this idea from, since they make sure to include an "except the bad guys" clause in every mass revival wish. That would be kinda pointless if the balls couldn't revive bad people anyway.

Not to mention, Vegeta got brought back by Shenron in the Namek Arc, waaaay before anyone could really consider him to be "good."




As for the movie itself, yay Freeza! If only for more Chris Ayers, since he's my favorite actor in Kai.

[Chuquita]

My hopes for reality-warping aren't entirely dead due to bald-Kuririn there and Gohamcha.
I wonder if we're pulling in ideas from the now-dead DBO. There was a plot in there about Freeza remnants invading Earth (though everyone was elderly in that).
I'm still disappointed it's just Freeza, but I will hold out hope because whatever happens in this one impressed Torishima after all.

I won't get home to really look at that poster till mid-afternoon.
I am super-curious about that の on Gokû's new shirt. At least I think it's a "no". My kanji book is home. Could that symbol mean anything else?

[sintzu]

Story never goes anywhere?

For the most part when something big happens it gets retconned.

[Hellspawn28]

I just hope they don't give Freeza a 5th form and make him as strong as a SSjG. That would be total fan wank and I would turn off the movie if they do that. Half of the people on Earth can easily beat Freeza now.

Half of the people on earth? That's not true at all...

Well I meant was that pretty much any of the Z fighters expect for the humans can beat Freeza. Goku, Vegeta, Gohan, Piccolo, Goten, Trunks, #18 and Mr. Buu can beat Freeza in a single blow.

[UpFromTheSkies]

You guys are thinking of Freeza as just an old defeated enemy but he's actually a very mysterious character that we know almost nothing about.

He could be a god of destruction from one of the 12 universes.

If anyone else has an explanation for the god aura i'd like to hear it and keep in mind that Shenron now only grants one wish so him getting revived is the only wish in the movie.

Maybe his race is from another universe, and when Freezas family fails to report back after so many years, they send troops to check on him... after hearing he's been killed, they resurrect him and do something similar to the SSJG ritual to give Freeza godly power.

[Baggie_Saiyan]

You guys are thinking of Freeza as just an old defeated enemy but he's actually a very mysterious character that we know almost nothing about.

He could be a god of destruction from one of the 12 universes.

If anyone else has an explanation for the god aura i'd like to hear it and keep in mind that Shenron now only grants one wish so him getting revived is the only wish in the movie.

Maybe his race is from another universe, and when Freezas family fails to report back after so many years, they send troops to check on him... after hearing he's been killed, they resurrect him and do something similar to the SSJG ritual to give Freeza godly power.

I'd spin off this and say the way they resurrect him is done differently from the dragon ball routine and this new resurrection technique increases his power.

[Kaboom]

The all-too-common "Freeza is now a worthless weakling who means nothing" attitude among some fans being murdered and buried with the same shovel? Heck yes.

That isn't a fan attitude. It was the attitude Toriyama and Toei took the moment Goku turned Super Saiyan.

No, "Freeza is outclassed because Super Saiyan is a thing now" was the cold hard fact presented in the manga. But he was still repeatedly used as an impressive measuring stick in later chapters, and Toriyama obviously still holds him in high regard.

I'm talking about the common fan attitude that says, "Beerus' line in Battle of Gods is wrong because I say so because even the humans could beat Freeza now because I say so. OMG he's like SOOO weak. Base Goten could vaporize him with a finger-flick and Toriyama's a hack for even suggesting otherwise."

THAT kind of fan attitude. If the new movie invalidates it, I will be a happy camper.

[MagicBox]

It's not much to go on, but notice that Kuririn is missing his blue undershirt as well. Meaning, he's back in his Freeza arc clothes.

I can't help but think that we're either 1.) getting a lot of flashbacks or 2.) that wish is going to send us into an alternate-reality Freeza arc/aftermath.

[Kaboom]

You know, I'd actually be interested in seeing the movie pulling off an 'alternate reality' sort of thing, as long as it was done well. Where Freeza was never killed, or got his immortality on Namek. Maybe Beerus and Whis would get involved because they're the only ones to realize things aren't as they should be, or something.

[Doctor.]

2.) that wish is going to send us into an alternate-reality Freeza arc/aftermath.

Who would be revived then and why?

[sintzu]

It's not much to go on, but notice that Kuririn is missing his blue undershirt as well. Meaning, he's back in his Freeza arc clothes.

I can't help but think that we're either 1.) getting a lot of flashbacks or 2.) that wish is going to send us into an alternate-reality Freeza arc/aftermath.

3- He's just using it to fight in and there's nothing else to it.

[RandomGuy96]

The all-too-common "Freeza is now a worthless weakling who means nothing" attitude among some fans being murdered and buried with the same shovel? Heck yes.

That isn't a fan attitude. It was the attitude Toriyama and Toei took the moment Goku turned Super Saiyan.

No, "Freeza is outclassed because Super Saiyan is a thing now" was the cold hard fact presented in the manga. But he was still repeatedly used as an impressive measuring stick in later chapters, and Toriyama obviously still holds him in high regard.

I'm talking about the common fan attitude that says, "Beerus' line in Battle of Gods is wrong because I say so because even the humans could beat Freeza now because I say so. OMG he's like SOOO weak. Base Goten could vaporize him with a finger-flick and Toriyama's a hack for even suggesting otherwise."

THAT kind of fan attitude. If the new movie invalidates it, I will be a happy camper.

That's not a "Freeza is weak" attitude, that's a "base Saiyans are ungodly strong" attitude. The "Freeza is weak" attitude was Toriyama's, not a fan's. He has him get utterly humiliated in a hilariously one sided final battle with Goku, has him look extra pathetic by cutting himself in half and then begging for mercy, then has him get one-shotted casually by a mid level side character. Said side character then gets stronger, but still gets one-shotted by the androids, who get one-shotted by Imperfect Cell, who is one-shot material to Semi Cell, and so on. By the Buu arc, he's considered such a weakling that Toriyama goes out of his way to point out that even a weak whiny bitch like Kaioshin can still one-shot him.

If it was just meant to be a cold hard fact of power scaling, like, say, Daimao getting surpassed, Toriyama wouldn't take every opportunity to repeatedly humiliate Freeza and show him to be pathetic in every way.

[UpFromTheSkies]

My hopes for reality-warping aren't entirely dead due to bald-Kuririn there and Gohamcha.
I wonder if we're pulling in ideas from the now-dead DBO. There was a plot in there about Freeza remnants invading Earth (though everyone was elderly in that).
I'm still disappointed it's just Freeza, but I will hold out hope because whatever happens in this one impressed Torishima after all.

I won't get home to really look at that poster till mid-afternoon.
I am super-curious about that の on Gokû's new shirt. At least I think it's a "no". My kanji book is home. Could that symbol mean anything else?

The の is backwards on his shirt.

[JulieYBM]

It's not a の.

[singsing]

Holy crap gone one day and suddenly 10+ pages. I got a lot of reading to do...

[Kamiccolo9]

Does anyone else miss the ridiculously long over the top names the old movies had? Now we get "Kami to Kami" and "Resurrection of F." I want "Revival of the Galactic Emperor: The Ultimate Super Battle to Determine Fate," or something like that.

[Ajay]

Reassuring for dub fans:



I imagine that's pretty much confirmed then unless FUNi turn around and straight up force Sabat to cast someone else.

[ParkerAL]

I just hope they don't give Freeza a 5th form and make him as strong as a SSjG. That would be total fan wank and I would turn off the movie if they do that. Half of the people on Earth can easily beat Freeza now.

They pretty much have to make him as strong as a SSjG somehow in order for him to work as a villain, for reasons you've already touched on.

Personally, I can buy into anything that reverses Freeza's shameful villain decay. Although Toriyama had a fair share to do with this, and much of it was inevitable due to the need to introduce bigger threats, I still put most of the blame on Toei and their poor handling of his pointless post-Trunks cameos. A character with a theme song like this simply should not be treated like this:



Heck, even Raditz received a more dignified end than Freeza in the anime. At least he didn't come back to get humiliated time and again on screen. If Freeza had simply disappeared completely from the anime after his demise at Trunks hands (which was a fitting death for a character of such arrogance), I would probably be less enthusiastic about his return. But Toei did real damage to his character by turning him into comic afterlife relief, even if it was all non-canon appearances. Maybe now he can gain back a bit of dignity, though I fully expect him to still get his comeuppance in the end.