Official On-Going DBZ 2015 Movie Thread: "Resurrection 'F'"

[WittyUsername]

So they're bringing Freeza back? I don't know what to think about that honestly. On one hand, Freeza is my favorite villain in Dragon Ball, on the other hand, it seems kind of uncharacteristic of Toryiama to revive an old villain and have them be the big bad again.

In any case, I'm guessing this movie will have a darker tone than Battle of Gods because of Freeza's inclusion.

[goku the krump dancer]

Well it's not like Freeza new of any of the deities aside from Beerus who up until the Boo arc was the only god to make casual appearances in the mortal realm.

[Ryuman]

No, I'm pretty sure Toriyama had at least some interest in making Freeza look shitty. Let's be real here. If that wasn't the case, he wouldn't have done all that, from having Goku curb stomp him, to having Trunks mock and one-shot him, to having Kaioshin reveal that he was always full of shit when he bragged about being the strongest in the universe, because even a little bitch like him could one-shot a pathetic weakling like Freezy Pop. Plus, wasn't the 2008 special his idea?

Well, its nice that you would just assume things about people you don't know. A lot of that is really incidental to Freeza, not necessarily against him specifically. At any rate, I think I'm done talking about this.

Where the heck is this "You can't revive villains" idea coming from?

[Fizzer]

While Freeza being revived and somehow being brought up to the level of the BoG-era protagonists sounds absolutely awful and fanfictiony, I can't help but feel oddly excited and optimistic about this.

I'm actually hoping that the wish, rather than being "Please revive Freeza", is something cooler like "I wish Freeza had never been defeated on Namek" or "I wish Freeza had been immortal". Other than some sort of alternate reality stuff going on, the only way this can work is if there's a way for Freeza to become a god, or it isn't really Freeza.

[Lord Beerus]

Goku's beatdown was far more humiliating than anything Toei put him through. He's the only main villain who doesn't even get to put up a decently close fight in his final battle (unless you count Pilaf and Red). The others very nearly won, from Daimao to Buu. Freeza just gets curb stomped, and then brought back only to be curb stomped again.

Yes, the point was Goku intentionally humiliated Freeza so that he'd never like do bad again, Toriyama himself did not have some weird vendetta that you seem to imply. In the end though, it bit Goku in the ass because he nearly died along with him. When Freeza came back, I suppose that was less dignifying, but there he more or less is used as a measuring stick and an interesting reveal for Trunks. To this day Freeza's remark about Trunks' eyes is one of my favourite moments in the series.
Toei Freeza's appearances were just straight up goofy.

No, I'm pretty sure Toriyama had at least some interest in making Freeza look shitty. Let's be real here. If that wasn't the case, he wouldn't have done all that, from having Goku curb stomp him, to having Trunks mock and one-shot him, to having Kaioshin reveal that he was always full of shit when he bragged about being the strongest in the universe, because even a little bitch like him could one-shot a pathetic weakling like Freezy Pop. Plus, wasn't the 2008 special his idea?

Freeza was hardly curbstomped. Hell, 3/4 of the entire battle between Goku and Freeza, Goku was getting his ass kicked. Even when Goku transformed in a SSJ and the tides turned in the battle, Freeza still put up one hell a fight and if wasn't for the fact the Freeza's 100% Final Form was draining his stamina immensely, it really would have gone the distance with Goku winning but just barely.

Freeza only lost the way he did against Future Trunks is because Trunks is very pragmatic in battle and loves using sneak attacks.

[fps_anth]

Huh.

I would have liked something new, but I can't say no to Freeza. I'm curious to see how they'll handle this.

[Baggie_Saiyan]

How do you even revive a villain in the manga continuity? I mean it's not like the anime where the villains are just chilling with their bodies in Hell.

Well, it does appear as though Beerus and Whis are coming back. My guess is, gods can pull some strings.

But, Beerus seemed to hate the bastard as he put it, why would he help revive him? I doubt they could be manipulated into doing so.

[Kamiccolo9]

Where the heck is this "You can't revive villains" idea coming from?

I'm curious about that myself.

[Zephyr]

I'm sort of neutral to the premise of this. Not entirely digging the idea of retconning the reincarnation rules of old, but if its executed well it won't matter much to me. Also curious as to how they'll compensate Freeza for the 15 years of power creep that's happened. A new transformation would be cool, but it'd be weird for a single transformation to just conveniently match beings who are supposed to dwarf SSj Vegetto. That's stretching it even for Dragon Ball. On the other hand they could certainly give him a God form I guess, it's not like the rules regarding that stuff is entirely concrete in the first place. But how would he attain it?

Alternatively, if Toei/Toriyama remember this time that the Dragon Balls don't have the one wish limit anymore, mayhaps Freeza could wish for insane power or immortality with a second wish?

Though I am weary that my biggest complaint about the last film doesn't seem to have been fixed: the character designs. I'm not going to be pleased at all if Goten and Trunks are still dwarfs.

If it was just meant to be a cold hard fact of power scaling, like, say, Daimao getting surpassed, Toriyama wouldn't take every opportunity to repeatedly humiliate Freeza and show him to be pathetic in every way.

I was always under the impression that the purpose of such moments was to convey just how far everyone had come along, how strong these new guys were, etc. The point was to lift another character up, not put Freeza down. Sure, Freeza has to move down for another to move up, but the focal point of the relation seemed to be intended to be the upward movement of a character rather than the downward movement of Freeza.

I mean, there's a reason he's a good measuring stick - he was essentially the most powerful mortal being in the living realm, until an alien prophecy was realized and turned into a commodity.

[KaiserNeko]

Glad to see him back.

Really?

People are allowed to be excited about the return of one of the biggest villains of the franchise. You may not enjoy it, I'm certainly on the fence about it, but what's the point of challenging people who enjoy the prospect?

[Lord Beerus]

Where the heck is this "You can't revive villains" idea coming from?

That idea is coming from people who don't like Freeza and wanted to see another God Of Destrcution and another Super Saiyan God. I have mixed feelings about Freeza coming back not because I don't want to see Freeza again but because of how worried I am in how they will use him. He is in essence the most significant villain Dragon Ball has ever had and one of the most iconic villains in the history of anime or manga. I'm just hoping this movie treats him like that.

[TheBlackPaladin]

How do you even revive a villain in the manga continuity? I mean it's not like the anime where the villains are just chilling with their bodies in Hell.

Well, it does appear as though Beerus and Whis are coming back. My guess is, gods can pull some strings.

But, Beerus seemed to hate the bastard as he put it, why would he help revive him? I doubt they could be manipulated into doing so.

As chill as Beerus was, he seemed to be mildly interested in Goku, and mildly interested in the idea that anyone other than Whis could give him enough trouble to justify going up to even 70% of his power. Perhaps his interest has gone up to the point where he now wants to "stir things up a bit." It's also worth nothing that Whis, who's more powerful than Beerus, didn't really state his personal feelings about Freeza.

Also, I don't know if it's just me or not, but the aura that surrounds Freeza in that poster is reminiscent of Goku's SSJ God aurora. Could it be that Freeza ascends to the level of God in this movie?

[Attitudefan]

I had an idea for an animation/comic I wanted to work on based off Budokai 2's story line. You know, this film has brought my wet dream to life (but in my idea, the humans were going to have a major role, including Ten, Yamcha, and Krillin)!

Still, this is great news. He is the best villain in Dragonball (or equal to Piccolo). But he's my favourite villain by far, in almost any anime really. He defines villain. I always felt the subsequent villains couldn't hold a candle to Freeza, thus, parts of the villains that came after had many "plagarizations" of Freeza such as multiple forms, the calm, cool, sophisticated demeanour (Cell and Buu are guilty of this), living beyond being cut in half... the list goes on. What made Freeza great though was that he had a goal and a bunch of people who believed in him and his cult of personality. Freeza, the greatest villain ever

[Lord Beerus]

Still, this is great news. He is the best villain in Dragonball (or equal to Piccolo). But he's my favourite villain by far, in almost any anime really. He defines villain. I always felt the subsequent villains couldn't hold a candle to Freeza, thus, parts of the villains that came after had many "plagarizations" of Freeza such as multiple forms, the calm, cool, sophisticated demeanour (Cell and Buu are guilty of this), living beyond being cut in half... the list goes on. What made Freeza great though was that he had a goal and a bunch of people who believed in him and his cult of personality. Freeza, the greatest villain ever

All hail Lord Freeza!

[Zenkashuu]

Though I am weary that my biggest complaint about the last film doesn't seem to have been fixed: the character designs. I'm not going to be pleased at all if Goten and Trunks are still dwarfs.

Gohan's humiliation doesn't stop...

[Kamiccolo9]

I'm sort of neutral to the premise of this. Not entirely digging the idea of retconning the reincarnation rules of old, but if its executed well it won't matter much to me.

That's the thing though. What reincarnation rules? All we know is that reincarnation is a thing. We don't have any clue how long it takes, what exactly occurs, if it prohibits being revived, or anything.

There is a tidbit about evil people being purified faster, but without knowing what the baseline for reincarnation is to begin with, that doesn't really tell us anything other than "Freeza's reincarnation speed is x(baseline reincarnation speed) sped up by y(evilness speed-up factor.)" For all we know, "x" = a million years, or something like that. There's no point in people going on about how "he's broken the rules!" when we don't even know the rules to begin with.

[Ryuman]

As chill as Beerus was, he seemed to be mildly interested in Goku, and mildly interested in the idea that anyone other than Whis could give him enough trouble to justify going up to even 70% of his power. Perhaps his interest has gone up to the point where he now wants to "stir things up a bit." It's also worth nothing that Whis, who's more powerful than Beerus, didn't really state his personal feelings about Freeza.

But we already know it's Sorbet and Tagoma who revived him though.

[Zephyr]

Well Kid Buu was reincarnated in less than 10 years. Though, one could reconcile this as having to do with Goku's explicit desire to fight him again influencing Enma's speeding up of the process.

Granted, the series doesn't say this, but the fact that the possibility exists allows there to be breathing room.

[sintzu]

That idea is coming from people who don't like Freeza and wanted to see another God Of Destrcution and another Super Saiyan God.

New God of destruction : Frieza

New Super saiyan god : Vegeta

[TheBlackPaladin]

As chill as Beerus was, he seemed to be mildly interested in Goku, and mildly interested in the idea that anyone other than Whis could give him enough trouble to justify going up to even 70% of his power. Perhaps his interest has gone up to the point where he now wants to "stir things up a bit." It's also worth nothing that Whis, who's more powerful than Beerus, didn't really state his personal feelings about Freeza.

But we already know it's Sorbet and Tagoma who revived him though.

Yeah, I read that shortly after I made that last post. So, cancel that theory.

I'm still holding onto the theory that Freeza may become a god in this movie based on the aura surrounding him in the poster.

I'll make yet another theory--Vegeta seems to be featured as prominently as Goku this time around. Perhaps we're looking at Vegeta ascending to the level of god, and perhaps even an SSJ God fusion?