Official On-Going DBZ 2015 Movie Thread: "Resurrection 'F'"

Discussion regarding the entirety of the franchise in a general (meta) sense, including such aspects as: production, trends, merchandise, fan culture, and more.

Moderators: Kanzenshuu Staff, General Help

User avatar
Lord Beerus
Namekian Warrior
Posts: 20967
Joined: Sat Oct 25, 2014 5:20 pm
Location: A temple on a giant tree
Contact:

Re: Official On-Going DBZ 2015 Movie Thread

Post by Lord Beerus » Mon Nov 17, 2014 6:09 pm

jjgp1112 wrote:After my virulent initial reaction, I'm actually into this as long as it explores the backstory and the Vegeta/Freeza dynamic. Lord knows I've written and read enough fanfiction about it, lol.
I stay far away from Dragon Ball fanfiction. It's responsible for giving us Vegeta's brother Tarble and his robot wife. *shudders*

User avatar
Kamiccolo9
Namekian Warrior
Posts: 10275
Joined: Fri Jan 11, 2013 9:32 pm
Location: Regensburg, Germany

Re: Official On-Going DBZ 2015 Movie Thread

Post by Kamiccolo9 » Mon Nov 17, 2014 6:09 pm

Lord Beerus wrote:
Kamiccolo9 wrote: True, but how is that Goku being humiliated? Goku knew that he was beaten, and acknowledged that. He accepted the loss gracefully, and Beerus acknowledged what a good foe he was. Hell, Beerus's master congratulated Goku on his effort, and offered him Beerus's job!

How, in any way, does that translate into Goku being humiliated?
Because if that happens to any other character it's classified as a humiliating defeat. It's the sort of standard that many DB fans have these days. If you don't absolute own your opponent it battle, than any other outcome is seen as humiliating. I personally find that kind of mindset annoying.
No, Vegeta is humiliated because he doesn't accept it. Vegeta becomes so arrogant and overconfident that he gets in the mindset that he's unbeatable. That's why he's humiliated when he loses. Humiliation is a product of mindset, not physical fights. Goku, when he loses, accepts it and tries to get better. Vegeta whines about how it's impossible.

Vegeta gets humiliated, Goku gets humbled.
Champion of the 1st Kanzenshuu Short Story Tenkaichi Budokai
Kamiccolo9's Kompendium of Short Stories
Cipher wrote:If Vegeta does not kill Gohan, I will stop illegally streaming the series.
Malik_DBNA wrote:
Scarz wrote:Malik, stop. People are asking me for lewd art of possessed Bra (with Vegeta).
"Achievement Unlocked: Rule 34"

User avatar
DBZGTKOSDH
Namekian Warrior
Posts: 12401
Joined: Sat Jul 02, 2011 7:45 pm
Location: Greece

Re: Official On-Going DBZ 2015 Movie Thread

Post by DBZGTKOSDH » Mon Nov 17, 2014 6:10 pm

Lord Beerus wrote:
jjgp1112 wrote:After my virulent initial reaction, I'm actually into this as long as it explores the backstory and the Vegeta/Freeza dynamic. Lord knows I've written and read enough fanfiction about it, lol.
I stay far away from Dragon Ball fanfiction. It's responsible for giving us Vegeta's brother Tarble and his robot wife. *shudders*
Tarble's wife is an alien, not a robot.

And what does fan fiction has to do with it?
Last edited by DBZGTKOSDH on Mon Nov 17, 2014 6:11 pm, edited 1 time in total.
James Teal (Animerica 1996) wrote:When you think about it, there are a number of similarities between the Chinese-inspired Son Goku and that most American of superhero icons, Superman. Both are aliens sent to Earth shortly after birth to escape the destruction of their homeworlds; both possess super-strength, flight, super-speed, heightened senses and the ability to cast energy blasts. But the crucial difference between them lies not only in how they view the world, but in how the world views them.

Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.

User avatar
RandomGuy96
Kicks it Old-School
Posts: 8822
Joined: Sun Mar 03, 2013 3:57 pm
Location: San Diego, California, USA

Re: Official On-Going DBZ 2015 Movie Thread

Post by RandomGuy96 » Mon Nov 17, 2014 6:10 pm

The 2008 special already sort of used that concept, since the villains in that special were established as having been as strong as Freeza. Besides, the idea of devoting the story to having a joke villain may work for a 30 minute special, but for a two hour movie, there's going to have to be some genuine conflict if you ask me.
There was no real threat in BOG, it was just a series of gags, but people seemed to like it well enough.
The Monkey King wrote:
RandomGuy96 wrote:
dbgtFO wrote: Please elaborate as I do not know what you mean by "pushing Vegeta's destruction"
He's probably referring to the Bardock special. Zarbon was the one who first recommended destroying Planet Vegeta because the saiyans were rapidly growing in strength.
It was actually Beerus disguised as Zarbon #StayWoke
Herms wrote:The fact that the ridiculous power inflation is presented so earnestly makes me just roll my eyes and snicker. Like with Freeza, where he starts off over 10 times stronger than all his henchmen except Ginyu (because...well, just because), then we find out he can transform and get even more powerful, and then he reveals he can transform two more times, before finally coming out with the fact that he hasn't even been using anywhere near 50% of his power. Oh, and he can survive in the vacuum of space. All this stuff is just presented as the way Freeza is, without even an attempt at rationalizing it, yet the tone dictates we're supposed to take all this silly grasping at straws as thrilling danger. So I guess I don't really take the power inflation in the Boo arc seriously, but I don't take the power inflation in earlier arcs seriously either, so there's no net loss of seriousness. I think a silly story presented as serious is harder to accept than a silly story presented as silly.

User avatar
Mr.Judge
Beyond Newbie
Posts: 146
Joined: Wed Feb 12, 2014 5:39 am
Location: New Namek

Re: Official On-Going DBZ 2015 Movie Thread

Post by Mr.Judge » Mon Nov 17, 2014 6:10 pm

RandomGuy96 wrote: That's simply wrong. Freeza only got in 2-3 hits, none of which did any lasting damage to Goku (the most he managed was busting Goku's lip and giving him an "ow" face while stunning him very briefly). By contrast, Goku landed 9-10, all of which inflicted heavy injury, leaving him a bruised and bloody wreck by the end of the battle. A single jab from him made Freeza vomit blood. For Kami's sake, he sat there and let Freeza beat on him just so he could troll Freeza by pretending to be hurt before smiling and calling him weak.

No, he lost because Freeza was garbage by that point in the story. That was the whole point of the scene; Trunks outright told him to power up to 100%, and was still confident curb-stomping him that way (he might not have been considering the Mecha power-up, but that wasn't the point). Freeza scoffing at him and then getting killed in one hit, if anything, just makes him look more pathetic.

Stuff like him scoffing at Trunks and then getting one-shotted and begging for mercy from the guy who just kicked the shit out of him seem very specific to Freeza.

See, I would believe that if he was just given the treatment all the other past villains were. He'd put up a damn good fight and almost win in the final battle, and while someone would surpass him in the next arc, they wouldn't be overt or insulting about it. A good example is Daimao. The series makes it clear that Piccolo and Goku are way stronger than Daimao by the 23rd Budokai, but they don't take it to Freeza levels of mockery. If Daimao had gotten the same treatment as Freeza, he would have first gotten painfully curb stomped after Goku drank the water, rather than fighting evenly with him. He would hit himself with his own attack because he's a moron, despite Goku actually taking pity on him because of how much of a joke he is and trying to help him avoid it. He would then cry and beg for mercy, be a moron again, and get blown away. In the next arc, he would have showed up at the 23rd Budokai and talked shit only to get one-shotted and trash-talked by Tenshinhan. In the arc after that, Chaozu would call Daimao weak and casually mention that he can kill him in one hit.

Cell is another good example; he comes very close to winning that beam struggle with Gohan. By the Buu arc, Goku says they can handle him now, but he never says "yeah, Cell is totally weak, even a guy way weaker than the guy who's way weaker than me can kill him in one hit", and, unlike Freeza, Cell gets a stand-in who gets one-shotted by the new guy on the block rather than getting one-shotted himself. And said new guy is actually the main villain rather than a mid level side character who is immediately shown afterwards to be irrelevant garbage. Plus, Toriyama showing him to be dumb and cowardly on top of being weak can't really be explained by power scaling.
you had earlier dismissed my previous post from another thread with this.

But what I got from new info trickling down from the DBO timeline onwards, BOG interviews and guide books afterwards and the recent DB Minus new info about Freeza knowing about saiyan god, Akira Toriyama has been trying to retcon the 'Freeza character' as a whole. may be trying to do justice to that particular character the way he was killed off by Mirai Trunks. Akira Toriyama may be trying to effectively retcon, his mistreatment of Freeza character.

Moreover listening to Maximum the hormone F may have had an certain effect that changed his perspective. Who knows?

Whatever it may the case be,this movie apparently seems to imply Freeza may be getting a proper farewell this time, snake salute. the movie title even has a F as the song.
Last edited by Mr.Judge on Mon Nov 17, 2014 6:20 pm, edited 5 times in total.

User avatar
Baggie_Saiyan
Namekian Warrior
Posts: 10275
Joined: Sat Mar 30, 2013 5:22 pm
Location: Atlantis.

Re: Official On-Going DBZ 2015 Movie Thread

Post by Baggie_Saiyan » Mon Nov 17, 2014 6:11 pm

The way the poster is split, maybe Goku and Vegeta will take two different paths or have two completely different stories. Goku will maybe train or go on a mission with Beerus and Whis and Vegeta stays behind then the whole Freeza thing happens, but that means he won't be able to go SSG unless Bra is born or in Bulma at least.

User avatar
Thanos
Advanced Regular
Posts: 1458
Joined: Thu Jan 04, 2007 2:33 am
Location: San Antonio, TX

Re: Official On-Going DBZ 2015 Movie Thread

Post by Thanos » Mon Nov 17, 2014 6:12 pm

I think the most interesting result of this would be Freeza ultimately not being killed/dying and being let go or whatever. How crazy would it be if he were just out there, alive? :wtf:
Thanos before Thanos was cool.

Dbzk1999
Beyond-the-Beyond Newbie
Posts: 423
Joined: Mon Apr 28, 2014 5:05 pm

Re: Official On-Going DBZ 2015 Movie Thread

Post by Dbzk1999 » Mon Nov 17, 2014 6:12 pm

Baggie_Saiyan wrote:The way the poster is split, maybe Goku and Vegeta will take two different paths or have two completely different stories. Goku will maybe train or go on a mission with Beerus and Whis and Vegeta stays behind then the whole Freeza thing happens, but that means he won't be able to go SSG unless Bra is born or in Bulma at least.
Bulla had to be born by now if Beerus and whis are in it
Until the Battle is Won.

- WEST POINT, 2021

User avatar
Kamiccolo9
Namekian Warrior
Posts: 10275
Joined: Fri Jan 11, 2013 9:32 pm
Location: Regensburg, Germany

Re: Official On-Going DBZ 2015 Movie Thread

Post by Kamiccolo9 » Mon Nov 17, 2014 6:13 pm

The movie ends after 5 minutes with Freeza destroying the planet from orbit while everyone's asleep. All hail Lord Freeza!
Champion of the 1st Kanzenshuu Short Story Tenkaichi Budokai
Kamiccolo9's Kompendium of Short Stories
Cipher wrote:If Vegeta does not kill Gohan, I will stop illegally streaming the series.
Malik_DBNA wrote:
Scarz wrote:Malik, stop. People are asking me for lewd art of possessed Bra (with Vegeta).
"Achievement Unlocked: Rule 34"

WittyUsername
I Live Here
Posts: 2667
Joined: Sun Dec 22, 2013 12:09 am
Location: Houston, Texas

Re: Official On-Going DBZ 2015 Movie Thread

Post by WittyUsername » Mon Nov 17, 2014 6:13 pm

RandomGuy96 wrote:
The 2008 special already sort of used that concept, since the villains in that special were established as having been as strong as Freeza. Besides, the idea of devoting the story to having a joke villain may work for a 30 minute special, but for a two hour movie, there's going to have to be some genuine conflict if you ask me.
There was no real threat in BOG, it was just a series of gags, but people seemed to like it well enough.
Not really, BOG may have had a very comedic tone to it, but Beerus did provide a genuine conflict for the film. He was the strongest opponent Goku and the others had ever faced, and the Earth was in actual danger of being destroyed.

User avatar
Lord Beerus
Namekian Warrior
Posts: 20967
Joined: Sat Oct 25, 2014 5:20 pm
Location: A temple on a giant tree
Contact:

Re: Official On-Going DBZ 2015 Movie Thread

Post by Lord Beerus » Mon Nov 17, 2014 6:15 pm

DBZGTKOSDH wrote:
Lord Beerus wrote:
jjgp1112 wrote:After my virulent initial reaction, I'm actually into this as long as it explores the backstory and the Vegeta/Freeza dynamic. Lord knows I've written and read enough fanfiction about it, lol.
I stay far away from Dragon Ball fanfiction. It's responsible for giving us Vegeta's brother Tarble and his robot wife. *shudders*
Tarble's wife is an alien, not a robot.

And what does fan fiction has to do with it?
Because long lost Saiyan relatives was the most commonly use concept in Dragon Ball fanfiction. The 2008 OVA essentially ran with that idea Tarble and his alien wife were born.

User avatar
Lord Beerus
Namekian Warrior
Posts: 20967
Joined: Sat Oct 25, 2014 5:20 pm
Location: A temple on a giant tree
Contact:

Re: Official On-Going DBZ 2015 Movie Thread

Post by Lord Beerus » Mon Nov 17, 2014 6:16 pm

Kamiccolo9 wrote:The movie ends after 5 minutes with Freeza destroying the planet from orbit while everyone's asleep. All hail Lord Freeza!
Not a fan of Freeza I can tell.

User avatar
DBZGTKOSDH
Namekian Warrior
Posts: 12401
Joined: Sat Jul 02, 2011 7:45 pm
Location: Greece

Re: Official On-Going DBZ 2015 Movie Thread

Post by DBZGTKOSDH » Mon Nov 17, 2014 6:17 pm

Thanos wrote:I think the most interesting result of this would be Freeza ultimately not being killed/dying and being let go or whatever. How crazy would it be if he were just out there, alive? :wtf:
Goku tried this once, and learned his lesson. He is not against killing anymore, he even pushed his son to kill Cell, and tried to push his other son with his best friend to kill Boo!
Lord Beerus wrote:Because long lost Saiyan relatives was the most commonly use concept in Dragon Ball fanfiction. The 2008 OVA essentially ran with that idea Tarble and his alien wife were born.
I really doubt that Toriyama was reading fan-fiction on the Internet...
James Teal (Animerica 1996) wrote:When you think about it, there are a number of similarities between the Chinese-inspired Son Goku and that most American of superhero icons, Superman. Both are aliens sent to Earth shortly after birth to escape the destruction of their homeworlds; both possess super-strength, flight, super-speed, heightened senses and the ability to cast energy blasts. But the crucial difference between them lies not only in how they view the world, but in how the world views them.

Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.

User avatar
Kamiccolo9
Namekian Warrior
Posts: 10275
Joined: Fri Jan 11, 2013 9:32 pm
Location: Regensburg, Germany

Re: Official On-Going DBZ 2015 Movie Thread

Post by Kamiccolo9 » Mon Nov 17, 2014 6:17 pm

Lord Beerus wrote:
Kamiccolo9 wrote:The movie ends after 5 minutes with Freeza destroying the planet from orbit while everyone's asleep. All hail Lord Freeza!
Not a fan of Freeza I can tell.
The new movie should be called "Freeza's Return:Daddy always knew best." It'll be a 5 minute short film, in which Freeza has a short flasback to when King Cold said "let's just blow up the planet," and then Freeza blows up the planet, and goes to Freeza Planet 419 to drink a martini.
Champion of the 1st Kanzenshuu Short Story Tenkaichi Budokai
Kamiccolo9's Kompendium of Short Stories
Cipher wrote:If Vegeta does not kill Gohan, I will stop illegally streaming the series.
Malik_DBNA wrote:
Scarz wrote:Malik, stop. People are asking me for lewd art of possessed Bra (with Vegeta).
"Achievement Unlocked: Rule 34"

User avatar
dbgtFO
Kicks it Old-School
Posts: 7771
Joined: Thu Aug 26, 2010 5:07 pm
Contact:

Re: Official On-Going DBZ 2015 Movie Thread

Post by dbgtFO » Mon Nov 17, 2014 6:18 pm

RandomGuy96 wrote:I'm serious. I think that movie could be hilarious. They'd have to play Freeza himself seriously though. In filler, they make him too comedic; the main source of laughs would be how everyone realizes how weak he is except him. He'd be serious and think himself threatening while the kids, the teenage girl, the fat pink man baby, and his former servant all troll him, with the guy that curb-stomped him last time just laughing him off and treating him like a former friend because he's just not worth getting mad at. That would all match the humorous tone that they seem to be going for in BOG and the Jump special.
Yes, Freeza thinking he's the shit only to have everyone pointing out he really isn't. Eventually he retires, gets a son and manages to employ Vegeta to explore distant worlds.
Rather that, than this 'Freeza getting God-mode' bullshit.

I want to see new faces like Beerus and Whis, not an old enemy like Freeza getting revived so Vegeta can get his revenge because Toriyama has developed a soft spot for him. In the past additions to the "expanded universe" of DB, Freeza has got a lot of mentions and cameos and it has culminated with this disappointing news. I'm not saying it can't be good, but I expected DB to move on, not more of all this Freeza/Saiyan conflict crap.

User avatar
Lord Beerus
Namekian Warrior
Posts: 20967
Joined: Sat Oct 25, 2014 5:20 pm
Location: A temple on a giant tree
Contact:

Re: Official On-Going DBZ 2015 Movie Thread

Post by Lord Beerus » Mon Nov 17, 2014 6:19 pm

Thanos wrote:I think the most interesting result of this would be Freeza ultimately not being killed/dying and being let go or whatever. How crazy would it be if he were just out there, alive? :wtf:
That is a very scary thought. I mean is one tough bastard, that seemed capable of surviving anything. It wouldn't surprise me if somehow Freeza found a way to cheat death... again.

User avatar
SSJ God Gogeta
I Live Here
Posts: 3194
Joined: Wed Jul 16, 2014 6:33 am
Location: Canada

Re: Official On-Going DBZ 2015 Movie Thread

Post by SSJ God Gogeta » Mon Nov 17, 2014 6:19 pm

Thanos wrote:I think the most interesting result of this would be Freeza ultimately not being killed/dying and being let go or whatever. How crazy would it be if he were just out there, alive? :wtf:
I don't see that happening, it would just end up like this again:
Image
"I am neither Goku nor Vegeta! I am the one who will defeat you!!" - Gogeta


I'm that guy who makes the avatars

User avatar
Kamiccolo9
Namekian Warrior
Posts: 10275
Joined: Fri Jan 11, 2013 9:32 pm
Location: Regensburg, Germany

Re: Official On-Going DBZ 2015 Movie Thread

Post by Kamiccolo9 » Mon Nov 17, 2014 6:20 pm

SSJ God Gogeta wrote:
Thanos wrote:I think the most interesting result of this would be Freeza ultimately not being killed/dying and being let go or whatever. How crazy would it be if he were just out there, alive? :wtf:
I don't see that happening, it would just end up like this again:
Image
Unless Freeza just hangs around in space making faces at everyone.
Champion of the 1st Kanzenshuu Short Story Tenkaichi Budokai
Kamiccolo9's Kompendium of Short Stories
Cipher wrote:If Vegeta does not kill Gohan, I will stop illegally streaming the series.
Malik_DBNA wrote:
Scarz wrote:Malik, stop. People are asking me for lewd art of possessed Bra (with Vegeta).
"Achievement Unlocked: Rule 34"

User avatar
Marco Polo
I Live Here
Posts: 2965
Joined: Sun Feb 12, 2012 9:44 pm
Location: France

Re: Official On-Going DBZ 2015 Movie Thread

Post by Marco Polo » Mon Nov 17, 2014 6:21 pm

What if Goku and Freeza ally themselves against Beerus or something?

User avatar
Big Momma
Born 'n Bred Here
Posts: 5150
Joined: Tue Mar 14, 2006 6:21 pm
Location: Munciana

Re: Official On-Going DBZ 2015 Movie Thread

Post by Big Momma » Mon Nov 17, 2014 6:23 pm

B wrote:
dbgtFO wrote:It all makes sense given that Freeza was apparently still alive in Neko Majin and Vegeta worked for him, plus he had a son.
Forget everything I said; if Kreeza actually shows up and has father-son shenanigans, then best movie of the year
If we get Kuriza and Tarble, then I'll be sold. :thumbup:
Rocketman(In response to a post about Pandora's Box) wrote: I sat here for ten damn minutes wondering what the hell God of War had to do with any of this.
Insertclevername wrote:I plan to lose my virginity to Dragon Box 2.
Youtube | Art/Animation Blog
Want to join the (Un)Official Kanzenshuu Discord Server?~Click Here~

Post Reply