Sorry, but I'm not as forgiving as you seem to be when companies produce potentially misleading marketing and justify it by including the actual correct details in the fine print of the announcements. Most marketing they do is not that detailed and that's the type of marketing most people come into contact with at first.
And I obviously am all for fans being informed and for them to research stuff but I don't agree when fans shrug off situations like this saying that its the fans' own fault. Especially when there's a clear example of a release of Dragon Ball Kai in the US being renamed Dragon Ball Z Kai in an apparent attempt to not be as misleading as it was.
Is there a new DB series to boost Japan's economy?
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Re: Is there a new DB series to boost Japan's economy?
I'm not forgiving at all, it's just that I don't see how this is misleading. Show me one promo of Kai that doesn't make it clear that DBKai isn't a re-edited version of DBZ.
James Teal (Animerica 1996) wrote:When you think about it, there are a number of similarities between the Chinese-inspired Son Goku and that most American of superhero icons, Superman. Both are aliens sent to Earth shortly after birth to escape the destruction of their homeworlds; both possess super-strength, flight, super-speed, heightened senses and the ability to cast energy blasts. But the crucial difference between them lies not only in how they view the world, but in how the world views them.
Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.
Re: Is there a new DB series to boost Japan's economy?
Pretty much every piece of marketing besides of the episodes itself that doesn't include a detailed explanation of what it is or actual footage of Kai besides the new animation.DBZGTKOSDH wrote:I'm not forgiving at all, it's just that I don't see how this is misleading. Show me one promo of Kai that doesn't make it clear that DBKai isn't a re-edited version of DBZ.
What you think when somebody shows you this and says it will air on TV?:
Most of the marketing for Dragon Ball Kai is like that. If its detailed enough it might have a proper explanation of what Kai is and maybe actual clips of the actual footage, and in that case, the fans probably won't be mislead if they are paying attention. If not, well, there's a real chance for misleading and making it appear more than it is, namely a remake, which is intentional since marketing usually tries to make the product look better than it is.
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Re: Is there a new DB series to boost Japan's economy?
I didn't have promotional art in my mind, but OK. This could mislead someone, but you don't buy something when all you know about it is a poster. And the promotional art usually doesn't come alone, except if you are checking things on the Internet.
James Teal (Animerica 1996) wrote:When you think about it, there are a number of similarities between the Chinese-inspired Son Goku and that most American of superhero icons, Superman. Both are aliens sent to Earth shortly after birth to escape the destruction of their homeworlds; both possess super-strength, flight, super-speed, heightened senses and the ability to cast energy blasts. But the crucial difference between them lies not only in how they view the world, but in how the world views them.
Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.
Re: Is there a new DB series to boost Japan's economy?
Honestly, don't know why what am saying is such a problem for you... You are basically bending yourself backwards just to deny or excuse what I say...DBZGTKOSDH wrote:I didn't have promotional art in my mind, but OK. This could mislead someone, but you don't buy something when all you know about it is a poster.
What I'm trying to say is simple:
- Dragon Ball Kai is misleading in its marketing on purpose, trying to give a impression of something that its not, namely a remake, and justifies that action by periodically explaining what it really is in the fine print of its more elaborate marketing.
- As such, I think even less of it that I would think otherwise.
- And even the US release thought that misleading fans was an actual factor and tried to correct it by adding Z to its name. This alone should be enough to demonstrate that its a significant enough factor.
(And, like I said before, I don't agree with blaming fans for it instead of the company, so to me a fan not properly researching Dragon Ball Kai before buying it or seeing it somewhere, doesn't excuse misleading marketing).
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Re: Is there a new DB series to boost Japan's economy?
I just don't see it. It may have new art, like every single thing in the franchise has (like DB/Z/GT home releases, video games, etc), but outside of the art and the title, nothing implies that it's a remake. So, saying that it was branded as a remake is false.
James Teal (Animerica 1996) wrote:When you think about it, there are a number of similarities between the Chinese-inspired Son Goku and that most American of superhero icons, Superman. Both are aliens sent to Earth shortly after birth to escape the destruction of their homeworlds; both possess super-strength, flight, super-speed, heightened senses and the ability to cast energy blasts. But the crucial difference between them lies not only in how they view the world, but in how the world views them.
Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.
Re: Is there a new DB series to boost Japan's economy?
Such is your right. To me its obvious, as are their intentions. Not sure how you can miss it, with even the US release going out of its way to be less misleading, but ok.
To me its clear that Dragon Ball Kai was a cash grab by the company more than anything else and their efforts to make a repacked DBZ look more than that in their marketing was pretty obvious.
To me its clear that Dragon Ball Kai was a cash grab by the company more than anything else and their efforts to make a repacked DBZ look more than that in their marketing was pretty obvious.
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Re: Is there a new DB series to boost Japan's economy?
When I first heard about Dragon Ball Kai, my initial impression was that it was a remake. I agree with rereboy that it was their intention to draw people in that way. But every company does that to some extent. It's really not a big deal to me because we all know they are trying to make a profit. I think the people that hate on Kai for that reason are just upset that we didn't get an actual new remake or series. I would love for that to happen and I think TOEI is foolish for having never executed a decent series after Z. But Kai judged on its own merits is actually pretty good, and the new dub is vastly superior to the original.