Official On-Going DBZ 2015 Movie Thread: "Resurrection 'F'"

[Doctor.]

I can't see an alternate reality where Freeza not getting defeated doesn't involve him slaughtering the heroes on Namek. And if you're only talking about when he actually died as Mecha Freeza, then he should still be Mecha Freeza (and probably still have killed all the people of Earth).

I'm not really feeling it. I'm going with no reality warping, just doesn't feel like a Toriyama thing for this film.

He could teleport a Freeza from an alternate timeline to the current one, a timeline where he won and somehow achieved enough power to deal with the heroes.

Way unlikely though, I'm still sticking with the simple answer that he was just revived.

[TheDevilsCorpse]

He could teleport a Freeza from an alternate timeline to the current one, a timeline where he won and somehow achieved enough power to deal with the heroes.

Way unlikely though, I'm still sticking with the simple answer that he was just revived.

I'm not entirely ruling it out, but it seems beyond his powers to me. If he could do something like that, I think Toriyama would have had Trunks' timeline fixed way back in the Cell Arc.

[Sinestro]

@Reality altering wish:

I think that's a very good idea to begin with. I that case so many questions will get explained. For example, that Freeza can not be reusrrected, but with reality altering he can be alive once again.

I imagine a dialog between Shenlon and the henchmen:

[*]I am Shenlon, I grant you any one single wish only! Speak!
[*]Shenlon, I want you to resurrect our master, Freeza!
[*]This wish can not be granted!
[*]What? But we want our master back, what we should do then, tell us?
[*]Do you have any other wishes?
[*](Angry) I wish that Saiyan never defeated Freeza!
[*]Your wish has been granted! The most terrible wish in history! Now, the despair begins! Farewell!

This actually made me laugh. I know the consequences would be horrible, but that exchange is funny to me.

[Low Tone G]

He could teleport a Freeza from an alternate timeline to the current one, a timeline where he won and somehow achieved enough power to deal with the heroes.

Way unlikely though, I'm still sticking with the simple answer that he was just revived.

I'm not entirely ruling it out, but it seems beyond his powers to me. If he could do something like that, I think Toriyama would have had Trunks' timeline fixed way back in the Cell Arc.

I think it's not beyond his power. In Cell Arc someone mentioned after learning that Shelon can not revive Goku fot the secod time that Shenlon should bring them back in time when Goku was alive. And maybe Dende upgraded Shenlon as he can grant literally any wish right after the Buu saga where used to be 3 wishes.(That would explain why didn't Shelon grant only a single wish in BOG).

[Marco Polo]

If he could do something like that, I think Toriyama would have had Trunks' timeline fixed way back in the Cell Arc.

How??

[Doctor.]

In Cell Arc someone mentioned after learning that Shelon can not revive Goku fot the secod time that Shenlon should bring them back in time when Goku was alive.

I don't recall this at all, are you sure it wasn't in the anime?

[Gaffer Tape]

I'm not entirely ruling it out, but it seems beyond his powers to me. If he could do something like that, I think Toriyama would have had Trunks' timeline fixed way back in the Cell Arc.

As has already been asked, how? There are no earth DBs in Trunks's timeline. If you're talking about using the main timeline's DBs, you could still easily say that Shenlong can't affect things outside of his own reality. But even disregarding all that, it's not exactly unprecedented in this series for characters not to do something they easily could have or most likely should have done.

[Low Tone G]

In Cell Arc someone mentioned after learning that Shenlon can not revive Goku for the second time, that Shenlon should bring them back in time when Goku was alive.

I don't recall this at all, are you sure it wasn't in the anime?

I'm not sure of manga, but in anime it was an idea of Krillin. But I think Piccolo was the one to stop them doing that because with that wish Cell would also come back. After that I remember Dende suggested to call for Porunga because he can bring back Goku.... in that moment Goku started to speak from other world that he doesn't want to come back.

I've found it:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t66akC5oEy4 the relevant part is at 3:00. Krillin is the one to have that idea.

[Sanity's_Theif]

and Gohan is pretty much fodder now too.. "Mystic" is nothing fanboys have to deal with it.

It is the Goku and Vegeta show...

I'm honestly happy with this lol, I thought Gohan was such a stupid character

[sintzu]

I thought Gohan was such a stupid character

Good thing Toriyama knows this.

[SSJ God Gogeta]

I never did care for Gohan.
What really pissed me off was that he had his so called "hidden potential" unlocked in every single saga...
He doesn't deserve the power.

[sintzu]

What really pissed me off was that he had his so called "hidden potential" unlocked in every single saga...

And every time he did nothing with it.

[SSJ God Gogeta]

What really pissed me off was that he had his so called "hidden potential" unlocked in every single saga...

And every time he did nothing with it.

Well he defeated Cell....
But on the other hand, he got his dad killed.

[TheDevilsCorpse]

I'm not entirely ruling it out, but it seems beyond his powers to me. If he could do something like that, I think Toriyama would have had Trunks' timeline fixed way back in the Cell Arc.

As has already been asked, how? There are no earth DBs in Trunks's timeline. If you're talking about using the main timeline's DBs, you could still easily say that Shenlong can't affect things outside of his own reality. But even disregarding all that, it's not exactly unprecedented in this series for characters not to do something they easily could have or most likely should have done.

That's my point. Doctor mentioned having Shenlong zap a Freeza from an alternate timeline where he wasn't defeated into the main time for this movie. If Shenlong could do that, and meddle in the affairs of another plane of reality, why wouldn't Toriyama have had Trunks wish to restore his Earth from the destruction of the robits when they used the DBs at the end of the Cell Games? To me, it seems like Shenlong's powers should be tied to the universe/timeline where he belongs. Thus my statement.

[sintzu]

Well he defeated Cell....

Cell only lost because of Goku&Vegeta stepping in and after that he let his power drop down leaving earth in Vegeta's hands.

[Marco Polo]

Well he defeated Cell....

Which wouldn't have happened without Goku&Vegeta stepping in.

Yeah, Cell wouldn't have happened if Goku had stopped Dr. Gero from creating the Androids. And Perfect Cell wouldn't have happened if Vegeta had used his power against 2nd form Cell instead of doing nothing.

[Gaffer Tape]

That's my point. Doctor mentioned having Shenlong zap a Freeza from an alternate timeline where he wasn't defeated into the main time for this movie. If Shenlong could do that, and meddle in the affairs of another plane of reality, why wouldn't Toriyama have had Trunks wish to restore his Earth from the destruction of the robits when they used the DBs at the end of the Cell Games? To me, it seems like Shenlong's powers should be tied to the universe/timeline where he belongs. Thus my statement.

Ah, sorry. Misunderstood. I thought you were referring to the idea of Shenlong changing reality to a world where Freeza wasn't defeated.

[Marco Polo]

Well he defeated Cell....

Cell only lost because of Goku&Vegeta stepping in and after that he let his power drop down leaving earth in Vegeta's hands.

And then Vegeta proceeded to blast a stadium full of innocent people and let an evil alien take over his mind to reawaken his evil nature. Good job

[Retan]

Maybe one of his henchman (The Koala guy/Sorbet perhaps ) can do something with reality (or something else), kinda like Guldo can stop time, and then throughout the movie he keeps loosing cantrol, and that's where some of the humor comes in too.

[sintzu]

Yeah, Cell wouldn't have happened if Goku had stopped Dr. Gero from creating the Androids. And Perfect Cell wouldn't have happened if Vegeta had used his power against 2nd form Cell instead of doing nothing.

At least at the end they fixed their mess unlike Gohan.

And then Vegeta proceeded to blast a stadium full of innocent people and let an evil alien take over his mind to reawaken his evil nature. Good job

Exactly,You don't leave earth to someone like that.

But look on the bright side they're all alive again and Vegeta is a good guy now.