Do "gags" count? Did they "happen"?

[Friezacooler]

As for this example, Beerus could clearly destroy a planet. But could he destroy that many in quick succession like that just by running into them? I doubt it, because planets don't work like that. You can't destroy a planet by knocking a hole the size of a person through it.[/quote]

Bills is not just a person do, and it is not like he had control over it.

[Saiga]

I don't like drawing arbitrary lines. As far as I'm concerned, if it's a gag feat, then it doesn't count. Otherwise, you get into arguements about implications, and statements, and scaling, and whatnot. It's much easier to just cut out gag feats in general.

As for this example, Beerus could clearly destroy a planet. But could he destroy that many in quick succession like that just by running into them? I doubt it, because planets don't work like that. You can't destroy a planet by knocking a hole the size of a person through it.

Just saying all gags don't count seems far more arbitrary to me than saying only the contradictory ones are discounted. But then, it's true that their are gags that lie in a grey area between those two points so I can see where you're coming from. I think whether something is a gag or not could also lend itself to some grey areas though.

[Kamiccolo9]

I don't like drawing arbitrary lines. As far as I'm concerned, if it's a gag feat, then it doesn't count. Otherwise, you get into arguements about implications, and statements, and scaling, and whatnot. It's much easier to just cut out gag feats in general.

As for this example, Beerus could clearly destroy a planet. But could he destroy that many in quick succession like that just by running into them? I doubt it, because planets don't work like that. You can't destroy a planet by knocking a hole the size of a person through it.

Just saying all gags don't count seems far more arbitrary to me than saying only the contradictory ones are discounted. But then, it's true that their are gags that lie in a grey area between those two points so I can see where you're coming from. I think whether something is a gag or not could also lend itself to some grey areas though.

Fair enough. It's not like I expect everyone to share my viewpoint, after all.

[xmysticgohanx]

Gag feat DB Manga volume 1 chapter 008 page 14: Goku using Jan-ken to slap Yamcha across breaking the manga panel, is more impressive than what Saiyan saga and Freeza saga characters have shown I guess.

Easily labeled as an outlier just like Roshi's moon buster.

[DBZGTKOSDH]

It's a little complicated for me.

If we had a gag scene with Goku & Kuririn breathing in space, it would mean that they can only breath because it's a gag (Kuririn, and Earthling, shouldn't be able to breath in space). If we had a gag scene with only Goku breathing in space, while Kuririn can't, that would mean that Goku can actually breath in space because he is an alien.

To take examples from the manga itself, Goku & the Rabbit Gang can breath in space, even though the Rabbit Gang is a group of Earthlings that shouldn't be able to breath in space. So, nothing counts as a feat here. Lunch shoots Goku, Kuririn, and Kame-sennin, and we have Kuririn & Kame-sennin bleeding, while Goku isn't bleeding. This means to me that Kuririn & Kame-sennin would be dead if this wasn't a gag scene, because if they could tank bullets like Goku can, Toriyama wouldn't have them bleeding. Of course, this only counts for Kame-sennin when he isn't using ki, so this leads me to the conclusion that even Oob would die if he gets shot in the head and isn't protecting his body with his ki (when he is sleeping for example).

[Hitiro]

It's a little complicated for me.

If we had a gag scene with Goku & Kuririn breathing in space, it would mean that they can only breath because it's a gag (Kuririn, and Earthling, shouldn't be able to breath in space). If we had a gag scene with only Goku breathing in space, while Kuririn can't, that would mean that Goku can actually breath in space because he is an alien.

To take examples from the manga itself, Goku & the Rabbit Gang can breath in space, even though the Rabbit Gang is a group of Earthlings that shouldn't be able to breath in space. So, nothing counts as a feat here. Lunch shoots Goku, Kuririn, and Kame-sennin, and we have Kuririn & Kame-sennin bleeding, while Goku isn't bleeding. This means to me that Kuririn & Kame-sennin would be dead if this wasn't a gag scene, because if they could tank bullets like Goku can, Toriyama wouldn't have them bleeding. Of course, this only counts for Kame-sennin when he isn't using ki, so this leads me to the conclusion that even Oob would die if he gets shot in the head and isn't protecting his body with his ki (when he is sleeping for example).

I don't necessarily believe that just because Kuririn and Kame-sennin were bleeding because they got shot at they can't tank bullets. To me that just says they can't tank bullets as well as Goku. Because Goku is stronger than both of them or if you want to consider Saiyan physiology in the Dragon Ball era then Goku has a stronger body due to his home world having 10x gravity. So if Goku is weaker than Roshi then his ability to tank bullets wouldn't be affected due to his additional physical make-up protecting him.

Frankly I am still of the mind that if the gag happens and is never mentioned again outside of the gag setting then it can't be counted as a feat. But if you take Gotenks going off to fight Fat Boo as a gag fight they still reference it later outside that gag setting. A couple of times in-fact. So Gotenks surviving the fight against Fat Boo is a feat.

[FortuneSSJ]

"How is this canon? Bulma slaps Bills, little to no effect.
Bulma slaps Goku, bitch starts tearing up."

"Because Bills is a God & Goku is a mortal Saiyan? I don't know, that's the best I can come up with." - Another guy reply

Found this gem in a BOG clip. Some people just don't get it.

[Logan]

Let's see if I can explain my thoughts.

Gags happen in the sense that they play out in the manga/anime, but non-sequitur when looking at the big picture. If one were to summarize each story arc, more often than not, the gags would only be tangential and not of any consequence. If that makes any sense.

[White Oni]

Here's how I think of it, Gag scenes are like Miricles.

They're abnormalities in an otherwise contained universe, which can only occur when the author of that universe specifically wills it.

If we take the scenes "Seriously" and count them towards our analysis of each character and their abilities then the following wacky stuff happens.

1) The Budakai announcer is faster than anyone pre namek saga. (Dodges Goten's KMHMH)
2) Pilaff and his henchmen are aware of the fact that they're in a manga, and even know of their creator and his other published works.
3) Krillin is not only aware he's in a manga, but criticizes AT.
4) Satan can take a hit from cell.

The list goes on and on.

[RandomGuy96]

No DB feat is more impressive than Freeza arc feats.

SS Gotenks' speed feat (showing SS3 Gotenks is FTL if speed scales linearly), Super Buu's processing/ki sensing feat, and Pure Buu's* planet busting feat (which displayed red dwarf busting levels of power) all would like to have a word with you. Actually, now that I think about it, Roshi's moon busting shits all over every feat in the Freeza arc.

*explicitly weaker than those other guys.

[Rocketman]

SS Gotenks' speed feat (showing SS3 Gotenks is FTL if speed scales linearly)

No it doesn't.

[RandomGuy96]

SS Gotenks' speed feat (showing SS3 Gotenks is FTL if speed scales linearly)

No it doesn't.

In the calcs I saw, it did. But I'm really not interested in this debate right now. Whatever the case may be, it's a better speed feat than anything in the Freeza arc.

[Hitiro]

No DB feat is more impressive than Freeza arc feats.

SS Gotenks' speed feat (showing SS3 Gotenks is FTL if speed scales linearly), Super Buu's processing/ki sensing feat, and Pure Buu's* planet busting feat (which displayed red dwarf busting levels of power) all would like to have a word with you. Actually, now that I think about it, Roshi's moon busting shits all over every feat in the Freeza arc.

*explicitly weaker than those other guys.

I actually did the speed calcs for Gotenks a while ago. In fact it was last year around this time. Here is the thread. SSJ3 puts Gotenks travel speed at 1% of the speed of light. As a SSJ his travel speed is at 0.125% the speed of light. Of course this is assuming he was going all out. Maybe he was holding back? But regardless, his travel speed isn't anywhere near FTL status.

[White Oni]

No DB feat is more impressive than Freeza arc feats.

SS Gotenks' speed feat (showing SS3 Gotenks is FTL if speed scales linearly), Super Buu's processing/ki sensing feat, and Pure Buu's* planet busting feat (which displayed red dwarf busting levels of power) all would like to have a word with you. Actually, now that I think about it, Roshi's moon busting shits all over every feat in the Freeza arc.

*explicitly weaker than those other guys.

I actually did the speed calcs for Gotenks a while ago. In fact it was last year around this time. Here is the thread. SSJ3 puts Gotenks travel speed at 1% of the speed of light. As a SSJ his travel speed is at 0.125% the speed of light. Of course this is assuming he was going all out. Maybe he was holding back? But regardless, his travel speed isn't anywhere near FTL status.

You can't just assume how long his nap was... So, no offense but the calc is worthless.

[Hitiro]

You can't just assume how long his nap was... So, no offense but the calc is worthless.

Naps are generally 20 mins. It wasn't really an assumption. I read up on what is generally considered a nap and I found they generally come out at 20 mins. I suppose he could have Napped for longer but 20 mins is fair enough. That leaves 9 minutes to circle the world 5 times and 1 minute to get from where he was to Boo's place because Piccolo tells us he only has a minute left. I suppose he could have had a slightly longer nap. But this calc was for the low estimate. It isn't really worthless.

[xmysticgohanx]

No DB feat is more impressive than Freeza arc feats.

SS Gotenks' speed feat (showing SS3 Gotenks is FTL if speed scales linearly), Super Buu's processing/ki sensing feat, and Pure Buu's* planet busting feat (which displayed red dwarf busting levels of power) all would like to have a word with you. Actually, now that I think about it, Roshi's moon busting shits all over every feat in the Freeza arc.

*explicitly weaker than those other guys.

I meant DB as in pre Z. Anyway DBZ is ftl pre BoG because of Kaioken scaling + piccolo's moon buster.

[Rocketman]

Anyway DBZ is ftl pre BoG because of Kaioken scaling + piccolo's moon buster.

The only people FTL in DB are the teleporters.

[RandomGuy96]

Anyway DBZ is ftl pre BoG because of Kaioken scaling + piccolo's moon buster.

The only people FTL in DB are the teleporters.

Piccolo's beam reached the moon in like a second, and pretty much everyone can dodge both Piccolo's attacks and attacks that are faster. Plus, I'm pretty sure power scaling from Saiyan arc Goku's travel feat on Snakeway gets you FTL somewhere along the line.

[Rocketman]

Piccolo's beam reached the moon in like a second, and pretty much everyone can dodge both Piccolo's attacks and attacks that are faster. Plus, I'm pretty sure power scaling from Saiyan arc Goku's travel feat on Snakeway gets you FTL somewhere along the line.

Goku can't have crossed the 20,000 km from his landing site to the Turtle House and back as fast as he did in any way but teleporting. Everybody is convinced of this.

Light would cross that distance in 0.06 seconds.

[dbzfan7]

Toriyama doesn't give much of a crap about feats...he just does random stuff that would make someone's eyes widen.

Anyways I guess gags kinda depend....though you could maybe rationalize them I guess....except for the Rabbit Gang surviving in space somehow...I got nothing for that.