Dragon Ball Z "Seasons" On Blu-ray: News & Discussion

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Re: Dragon Ball Z "Seasons" On Blu-ray: News & Discussion

Post by Daimo-Rukiri » Tue Nov 18, 2014 2:50 am

theoriginalbilis wrote:In retrospect, the colors and contrast on the Blu-Ray Season Sets never bothered me. Sure they're a little inconsistent, but so were the Orange Bricks and even the Dragon Boxes to an extent. I think the colors look far better on FUNimation's release than say... what Toei has done with the Buu arc of Kai.

Of course, Kai "1.0" still wins IMO by having the best colors and remastering quality out of all the various DragonBall releases.

For DBZ TV: Kai 1.0>>Levels>>Dragon Boxes>>FUNi DVD singles>>Season Blu-Rays>>Kai Buu arc>>Orange Bricks
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To bad Kai 2.0 didn't get that treatment :cry:

In terms of the DBZ BDs I'd take em over the Orange Bricks any day, it's to bad Toei simply couldn't release a raw 1080p scan and call it a day...

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Post by dbboxkaifan » Tue Nov 18, 2014 7:48 am

Daimo-Rukiri wrote:In terms of the DBZ BDs I'd take em over the Orange Bricks any day, it's to bad Toei simply couldn't release a raw 1080p scan and call it a day...
Maybe the Japanese are more considerable towards that but the western tend to bitch when it looks "old" (4x3 AR) or "dirty" (grain) so what FUNimation did was to counteract these issues with their Dragon Ball Z Season Blu-ray release. And hey, people love the Season Blu-rays so they're quite satisfied with the result.

P.S.: What the 4x3 fans think doesn't matter to them since the profit is from the 16x9 fans, so yeah, there's like two or more type of fanbases. One defends that the 4x3 AR keeps all of the picture while 16x9 maintains the show up to date, clean and with all the important details. I personally have no problems with Kai 2.0 being 16x9 AR only because Toei's doing a great job with their selective cropping.
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Post by Kojiro Sasaki » Wed Nov 19, 2014 10:40 am

dbboxkaifan wrote:Maybe the Japanese are more considerable towards that but the western tend to bitch when it looks "old" (4x3 AR) or "dirty" (grain) so what FUNimation did was to counteract these issues with their Dragon Ball Z Season Blu-ray release. And hey, people love the Season Blu-rays so they're quite satisfied with the result.
That's a good point! It's possible that the cost of the remastering process wasn't the main reason of FUNimation's decision to cancel the Level sets. Maybe, after big success of Orange Bricks and low sales of Level sets, they concluded that the only way to be successful is producing the release...
FUNimation wrote:with a brand new remaster using new technology to make the show look brighter and crisper.
It sounds like it was targeted at people who weren't happy with an “old remaster” which lacked brightness and crispness (?). There was only one HD remaster available before FUNimation announced this...
I see two variants to be considered:
1. New manager/producer took over the project. He said: “Fully professional, frame-by-frame restoration process for some old kids show? Are you kidding me? Where the hell have you learned how to make business? Do the job as cheap as possible, market it as “modern experience“ because it's popular these days, give more episodes per set, lower price and call it a day! You know how to do it, you did it before!”
2. (Let's suppose that the restoration process was affordable) Producers: “Hmmm... Look at the sales. It seems that classic look and the idea of restoration to make the show look as it was meant to be doesn't appeal to people. We need to change that strategy. It didn't work - let's just stick with our good ol' standards.”

The idea that the restoration process was too expensive sounds logic, but yet - they did it. They remastered ~40 episodes of their most damaged film prints and sold them for ~$22 per 17 episodes. I guess that FUNimation is a business company, not a charity foundation.

Dragon Ball Z on Blu-ray? That's how it should look and sound: Eyecatch 1&2 (22Mb/s 1080p AVC + 384Kb/s 44,1kHz/16 bit Dolby Digital stereo)
(Watching it on mediafire will give you crappy quality. You need to download the file to make use of my example)

Unfortunately, most of us don't want a release like this, another part of us claims to want it , but they vote against it with their wallets. What about the rest of us?
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We should forget about getting a proper HD release of this show or we should get our lazy and fat asses up and start to do something really serious. We have 0,0000001% chance to succeed, but it's possible that we would get some “official” statement. For example, I heard that they damaged some film prints when they did transfers for Kai. It would be nice to get this kind of info from an official source.
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Post by eledoremassis02 » Wed Nov 19, 2014 2:10 pm

If I recall, three things people massively complained about with the old with the Level blurays were the fact it looked old, 4:3 not HD (people changed there minds after the Spimpsons FXX fisasco) and too much grain.

I think FUNimation was listening to their market on this. Now, even if it's limited edition, finish the level sets (even if it's raw scans)!! lol But please let us know if it would be limited edition this time...lol

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Post by dbboxkaifan » Wed Nov 19, 2014 3:39 pm

eledoremassis02 wrote:If I recall, three things people massively complained about with the old with the Level blurays were the fact it looked old, 4:3 not HD (people changed there minds after the Spimpsons FXX fisasco) and too much grain.

I think FUNimation was listening to their market on this. Now, even if it's limited edition, finish the level sets (even if it's raw scans)!! lol But please let us know if it would be limited edition this time...lol
I remember that time too when people were moaning that the DBZ Level Blu-rays weren't "HD" but old and 4x3 due to the grain, proper remasterisation and aspect ratio.

Let's just call it a day and be happy they released the Dragon Boxes, Level Blu-rays 1.1/1.2, DBZ Movie Singles and Kai 1.0 all in 4x3 AR. It's somewhat interesting watching the DBZ films in 4x3 as you see the whole picture even though the originally intended aspect ratio is 16x9.

Now here's something interesting; From FUNimation's Dragon Ball Z Season 1 Trailer:
Uncut Footage · Newly Remastered in High Definition on DVD · From the Japanese Film Masters · On DVD · In Widescreen Format · Digitally Restored · New Video, New Audio, Completely New Experience · The Definitive Dragon Ball Z Collection · Experience the Classic Series as it was Originally Intended
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JDelwuyToVw

So FUNimation was telling us that the originally intended aspect ratio of the DBZ series is in fact Widescreen.

I guess Toei's got more credibility than FUNimation but I like seeing it all in 4x3 AR if possible.
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Post by BlazingFiddlesticks » Wed Nov 19, 2014 7:42 pm

Kojiro Sasaki wrote:Unfortunately, most of us don't want a release like this, another part of us claims to want it , but they vote against it with their wallets.
Which is what happens when you release your expensive blu-rays a month and change after you release your last Dragon Box. They wanted- expected- the Dragon Box audience to double-dip on command, it didn't, because that audience had just spent $200-$300 on DBZ over the past 18 months or so, or was in the process of doing do. FUNI jumped the gun. There's no version of this story where that's not the punchline.
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Post by Kendamu » Thu Nov 20, 2014 2:05 am

I wouldn't be surprised if, sometime next year, we get an announcement that there'll be some limited Blu-ray release in minimal packaging with Steve's transfer in a reasonable 4:3 AR (the raw scans have those round corners to them and wouldn't look right) with subtitles attached and the dub thrown on as an afterthought. It would pretty much take almost no effort relatively speaking. I'm talking minimal color correction, image stabilization (if any), and the edges cut off enough to make it a real 4:3 frame that cuts off the worst of the tape and glue from parts of the frame that nobody would've seen on TV in the 90s anyway.

I also wouldn't be surprised if some other new "definitive release" was announced instead. I just have a hard time believing that FUNimation will actually be done re-releasing non-Kai DBZ next year.

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Post by Kingdom Heartless » Thu Nov 20, 2014 3:26 am

Okay, so I haven't gotten any of these... but if they were to drop to around $15 a pop in the coming sale weeks, should I grab them up, flaws and all?
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Post by Kendamu » Thu Nov 20, 2014 3:39 am

Kingdom Heartless wrote:Okay, so I haven't gotten any of these... but if they were to drop to around $15 a pop in the coming sale weeks, should I grab them up, flaws and all?
I initially had a couple because the Japanese audio was cleaner than the DBox audio. That's about the only thing that makes them stand out above other releases.

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Post by Kingdom Heartless » Thu Nov 20, 2014 3:45 am

I already have all the Dragon Boxes.... so there may be no point.
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Post by Kendamu » Thu Nov 20, 2014 3:55 am

Kingdom Heartless wrote:I already have all the Dragon Boxes.... so there may be no point.
Then I suggest saving that cash for Xenoverse or something. Maybe you can start collecting the manga or whatever if you haven't already.

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Post by JackyBoi99 » Thu Nov 20, 2014 3:59 am

Give it about three or four years and we will see a 4x3 release, possibly Steve's transfer. Or Funimation might just leave it as it is and have these blu rays as the permanent home release.
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Post by Kingdom Heartless » Thu Nov 20, 2014 4:37 am

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Kingdom Heartless wrote:I already have all the Dragon Boxes.... so there may be no point.
Then I suggest saving that cash for Xenoverse or something. Maybe you can start collecting the manga or whatever if you haven't already.
Which I will do... if I can ever make up my mind between an X-Box One or PS4! Seriously, I play PS3 and think "oh, I've been an X-Box gamer for half a decade, but I'm digging Sony right now!" Then I play my 360, and go "I still love this... and I've spent years achievement hunting... I HAVE to get an X-Box One."

Rinse and repeat.
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Kingdom Heartless wrote:Which I will do... if I can ever make up my mind between an X-Box One or PS4! Seriously, I play PS3 and think "oh, I've been an X-Box gamer for half a decade, but I'm digging Sony right now!" Then I play my 360, and go "I still love this... and I've spent years achievement hunting... I HAVE to get an X-Box One."
The PS4 is the frontrunning console in terms of both developer focus and hardware. Seems silly to me to buy an Xbox One unless you're diehard into Halo. Considering few titles can actually hit 1080p 60fps on the Xbox One, the longevity isn't there and developers are left frustrated at the device already.

Indie game focus, free titles from PS+, lead platform in a majority of games. Decision seems pretty simple.

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Post by dbboxkaifan » Thu Nov 20, 2014 7:14 am

AjayLikesGaming wrote:The PS4 is the frontrunning console in terms of both developer focus and hardware. Seems silly to me to buy an Xbox One unless you're diehard into Halo. Considering few titles can actually hit 1080p 60fps on the Xbox One, the longevity isn't there and developers are left frustrated at the device already.

Indie game focus, free titles from PS+, lead platform in a majority of games. Decision seems pretty simple.

No bias here. PC Gamer. Just listing facts.
PS4's the 360 of this generation for multiplatforms but it's seriously lacking in having exclusives to make it worth owning one which is why I'm yet to purchase, PS4 has way too much focus on indie titles and hardly any actual new PS4 exclusives for god sakes the PS3 makes PS4 look pale in comparison to its solid exclusive library of games that PS3 has. PS4 only has like two exclusives now (Driveclub, inFamous Second Son) while the other two exclusives are tech demos (Killzone Shadowfall, Knack).

This is a list of upcoming PS4 exclusives: The Order (2015), Uncharted IV (2015), Bloodborne (2015), Disgaea 5 (2015), God Eater 2 (2015), Rime (2015), Gran Turismo 7 (2015), Everybody's Gone to the Rapture (2015), New Dimension Neptune VII (2015), Ratchet and Clank (2015) and Until Dawn (2015).

Xbox One: Sunset Overdrive, Quantum Break, Killer Instinct, Forza 5, Crimson Dragon, Scalebound (2015) Crackdown III (2015), Halo V (2015), Fable Legends (2015) and a new Battletoads game (2015).

But anyway, my console of choice for the 8th gen is Wii U because it has the exclusives I definitely want and couldn't get elsewhere (Smash, Bayonetta, Wonderful, Xenoblade, Shin Megami X Fire Emblem, Mario Kart, Mario 2D/3D, Zelda, Kirby, Star Fox, Yoshi's Wolly World , etc)

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Post by rereboy » Thu Nov 20, 2014 7:57 am

PS3 also had no big list of exclusives when it was released. Hence the meme "PS3 has no games" of the time. And yet today you are praising its list of exclusives. PS4 will be the same. It just takes time to build a library of exclusives games.

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Post by dbboxkaifan » Thu Nov 20, 2014 8:07 am

It's already been a year and PS3 during its early days already had more and better exclusives (Uncharted, MotorStorm, Ridge Racer 7, Genji, Untold Legends, Metal Gear 4, etc.) than PS4 is right now, then again, Sony's probably riding on the success and cutting down the costs of making too many exclusives because that'd cost them.

It's accurate to call PS4 as the "IndieStation 4" considering its grand focus is on indies.
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Post by Kingdom Heartless » Thu Nov 20, 2014 8:18 am

I'll probably try and get both consoles pre-owned, and get Xenoverse for X-Box One.

A plan that would be made easier if someone would give me a damn job.

Didn't realise how soon we were getting a new Ratchet and Clank though.... I adore that series.

Sunset Overdrive though... argh, Infamous: Second Son though.... Halo though.... Uncharted 4 though.... round and round and ROUND!

But for multiplatform games like Dragon Ball, I'd prefer to stick with X-Box.

So I think I'll probably skip the season sets for another year and try and keep some money for a console.
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Post by dbboxkaifan » Thu Nov 20, 2014 8:24 am

Online Play is now a paid service whether on PlayStation or Xbox (so much for PlayStation fans bashing Xbox'ers having to pay and now they do too).

Although, for multiplatforms PS4 seems like the ideal console so Xenoverse might get better performance on PS4 over XO.
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Post by ParkerAL » Thu Nov 20, 2014 10:34 am

Kendamu wrote:I also wouldn't be surprised if some other new "definitive release" was announced instead. I just have a hard time believing that FUNimation will actually be done re-releasing non-Kai DBZ next year.
If the cow can keep giving milk, Funimation will find a way to draw out every last drop. Thankfully, now that they've put casual releases on both DVD and Blu ray, they have no choice but to focus on hardcore niche re-releases in the future.
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