Official On-Going DBZ 2015 Movie Thread: "Resurrection 'F'"

[Low Tone G]

I don't see any Vegeta hater here.

Neither do I.

[RandomGuy96]

Except it's not, because we already saw him absorb people, detach body parts, use them to restrain enemies, and use sneak attacks. He's just utilizing the abilities he already had in another way. This isn't a new power; if we hadn't already seen his absorption ability used, Super Buu wouldn't even exist.

We only knew Candy beam affected Fat Boo and he got special treatment. Everyone else simply died. Nowhere was anyone aware he could absorb someone to get stronger. At most detaching a body part and grabbing someone would trap them, not absorb them. Kaioshin would have mentioned this ability earlier if he were aware of it, but the plot calls he doesn't know about it so Super Boo could pull out of his ass a way to win. Then Later Kaioshin was always aware of the ability, yet told no one because? He coulda just candy beamed someone as it's practically a one hit kill by itself, but instead we have him magically get stronger with an ability from out of nowhere.

Oh wow, because we want a Goku clone

We don't want a Goku clone, we would have wanted an educated, smart and genius superhero, which Goku has never been. So we would have wanted him to not only replace his fater but to surpass him in every way not only in power, but intelligence, but he became only a scientist who dissipates his great fighting powers. He could have found a perfect balance between an eveyday life person and a martial artist.

So you want a Spider-Man knock off. Also Vegeta is already considered the fighting genius as well as Goku. Gohan being school smart is not going to help him.

Again, the ability doesn't come out of nowhere. We clearly see him absorb someone earlier (we didn't learn Fat Buu got special treatment until way later), and gain power from it. We also clearly see him detach a piece of his body to trap someone in it. Finally, we see him shrink people. He very clearly can do everything associated with his absorption technique before he we see him use it. He's just combining them here. It's actually one of the more well foreshadowed trump cards in the series.

Kaioshin just didn't see it as being notable enough to mention. He also didn't warn them about Dabra's spit. Or Buu's magic.

[dbzfan7]

And when Vegeta gets this "Bullshit Boost" that defies logic and surpasses SSJ3, everyone's all "Wooo hooo so awesome."

It was awesome especially the look on Beerus's face when his punch didn't do anything to Vegeta.

So what your saying is it's bullshit when Vegeta is able to surpass ssj3 but it's ok when Gohan does ? All i have to say is it must suck right now to be a Vegeta hater.

Gohan has always been portrayed like this. Since his introduction he always had rage boosts that tap into his hidden power. Vegeta does not. Vegeta doesn't have that hidden power which half breeds have. Hell he once made a speech about Gohan was beneath him but if he snapped, perhaps Gohan would be something. Guess that was bullshit as he can snap like that too and surpass a whole other level of super saiyan. Also I am not a Vegeta hater, I said this last time.

Again, the ability doesn't come out of nowhere. We clearly see him absorb someone earlier (we didn't learn Fat Buu got special treatment until way later), and gain power from it. We also clearly see him detach a piece of his body to trap someone in it. Finally, we see him shrink people. He very clearly can do everything associated with his absorption technique before he we see him use it. He's just combining them here. It's actually one of the more well foreshadowed trump cards in the series.

Via Candy beam. And even then it was stupid as he didn't get stronger from eating Dabura. It's out of nowhere. It's also an ability Kaioshin would have mentioned earlier as THIS is a pretty big detail to miss that Boo can absorb people even if you overpower them. We expect Boo to be a special case because both Boo's were once one. Everyone else eaten didn't do shit for Boo besides feed his hunger. The most he could have logically done is trap people inside him and suffocate them, or eat them via candy beam. That's it. There is no excuse Kaioshin would miss this important of an ability.

So you want a Spider-Man knock off.

Not, but he was presented in the Saiyan saga to be have higher potential in every ways than Goku has ever had. I honestly was thinking that Gohan was the one who had the features that Goku has always lacked.

His smarts in society mean jack shit when Goku is still a genius fighter. Goku is not an idiot when it comes to fighting, he's the smartest. So Gohan being a scolar and fighter would give him a more active role, but it's not going to really make him have something Goku doesn't really need as Goku's battle smarts are all that really counts for fighting.

[sintzu]

I see a Gohan hater who loves to repeat in every goddamn post how much he thinks Gohan is a lame character.

It's not that i think that it's a fact.

[sintzu]

I am not a Vegeta hater.

Sure your not.

[Jackal puFF]

Who's hoping Vegeta is the one to finish Frieza off?

I mean he never did get his revenge on him, after all he's been thru with him.

I would really like if the other characters got more than 5 seconds of fighting time too.

[VegettoEX]

That's more than enough of these poorly-written, sarcastic, dismissive posts. Keep your nonsense to yourself.

All eyes are on this website and its discussions. Don't make it embarrassing to look at.

[dbzfan7]

I see a Gohan hater who loves to repeat in every goddamn post how much he thinks Gohan is a lame character.

Perhaps what I see. I can pick apart things I don't like about Gohan too, I also wouldn't call Vegeta lame.

I am not a Vegeta hater.

Sure your not.

I'm indifferent to Goten too, guess I'm also a Goten hater.

[sintzu]

Who's hoping Vegeta is the one to finish Freeza off.

If Vegeta is to get to shine this will be the perfect time to and from what Toriyama said i think he will end up killing him and other then that it would be repetitive to have him killed by Goku.

[Friezacooler]

Who's hoping Vegeta is the one to finish Freeza off.

If Vegeta is to get to shine this will be the perfect time to and from what Toriyama said i think he will end up killing him and other then that it would be repetitive to have him killed by Goku.

Umm Goku never killed him, Gohan and Trunks did.

[Low Tone G]

Who's hoping Vegeta is the one to finish Freeza off?

Me too. By the way, I think no one will finish Freeza off, I think they will solve the Frieza problem somehow, but not kill him. Knowing Toriyama he will surprise us, just like he did with Beerus.

Umm Goku never killed him, Gohan and Trunks did.

Gohan? I think you meant Movie 12 Gohan, but in Toriyama's works only Trunks did it.

[sintzu]

Umm Goku never killed him.

I know he didn't but he beat him which is something i doubt will happen again.

[RandomGuy96]

And when Vegeta gets this "Bullshit Boost" that defies logic and surpasses SSJ3, everyone's all "Wooo hooo so awesome."

It was awesome especially the look on Beerus's face when his punch didn't do anything to Vegeta.

So what your saying is it's bullshit when Vegeta is able to surpass ssj3 but it's ok when Gohan does ? All i have to say is it must suck right now to be a Vegeta hater.

Gohan has always been portrayed like this. Since his introduction he always had rage boosts that tap into his hidden power. Vegeta does not. Vegeta doesn't have that hidden power which half breeds have. Hell he once made a speech about Gohan was beneath him but if he snapped, perhaps Gohan would be something. Guess that was bullshit as he can snap like that too and surpass a whole other level of super saiyan. Also I am not a Vegeta hater, I said this last time.

Again, the ability doesn't come out of nowhere. We clearly see him absorb someone earlier (we didn't learn Fat Buu got special treatment until way later), and gain power from it. We also clearly see him detach a piece of his body to trap someone in it. Finally, we see him shrink people. He very clearly can do everything associated with his absorption technique before he we see him use it. He's just combining them here. It's actually one of the more well foreshadowed trump cards in the series.

Via Candy beam. And even then it was stupid as he didn't get stronger from eating Dabura. It's out of nowhere. It's also an ability Kaioshin would have mentioned earlier as THIS is a pretty big detail to miss that Boo can absorb people even if you overpower them. We expect Boo to be a special case because both Boo's were once one. Everyone else eaten didn't do shit for Boo besides feed his hunger. The most he could have logically done is trap people inside him and suffocate them, or eat them via candy beam. That's it. There is no excuse Kaioshin would miss this important of an ability.

So you want a Spider-Man knock off.

Not, but he was presented in the Saiyan saga to be have higher potential in every ways than Goku has ever had. I honestly was thinking that Gohan was the one who had the features that Goku has always lacked.

His smarts in society mean jack shit when Goku is still a genius fighter. Goku is not an idiot when it comes to fighting, he's the smartest. So Gohan being a scolar and fighter would give him a more active role, but it's not going to really make him have something Goku doesn't really need as Goku's battle smarts are all that really counts for fighting.

We had no idea at the time if Dabra made him stronger (even if he did, Buu was so strong no one would really notice the difference). We did however have it explicitly stated to us that him absorbing Good Buu made him stronger. The candy beam is just a way Buu uses his magic, we had no reason to believe it was the ONLY way he could use his ability to shrink people. Dabra's spit wasn't mentioned by Kaioshin either. Buu's ability was foreshadowed very well, and completely possible going by what we had already seen from him. It's not an ass pull.

[dbzfan7]

We had no idea at the time if Dabra made him stronger (even if he did, Buu was so strong no one would really notice the difference). We did however have it explicitly stated to us that him absorbing Good Buu made him stronger. The candy beam is just a way Buu uses his magic, we had no reason to believe it was the ONLY way he could use his ability to shrink people. Dabra's spit wasn't mentioned by Kaioshin either. Buu's ability was foreshadowed very well, and completely possible going by what we had already seen from him. It's not an ass pull.

It did not make Boo stronger. It was never mentioned too, therefore it's unlikely it did. Good Boo is a different story as these were two Boo's who separated, so it's not to hard to believe Boo could affect another Boo in a strange way as they're two halves split from a being which had them both originally. Also Boo needs to be killed with every little piece of him dying, so being chewed up would not kill him anyways. However having a random bodily absorption ability just to extend the fight is silly. Boo's ability was not foreshadowed very well. That's your opinion and looking into things. It's a total ass pull to pull out of nowhere an absorption ability like this when he could just zap people with candy beam and be done with them. If candy beam let him absorb other people the same way, he could have just used that trick again no problem and it wouldn't have come out of nowhere as we're all aware of the candy beam. But instead we have a whole random absorption because we needed a way to bring Goku back into the plot and have Gohan lose. If Fat Boo used this absorption trick before or if we say Dabura get absorbed this way, then it wouldn't have been an ass pull.

Also Kaioshin forgetting about Dabura's spit doesn't make things any less stupid.

[RandomGuy96]

We had no idea at the time if Dabra made him stronger (even if he did, Buu was so strong no one would really notice the difference). We did however have it explicitly stated to us that him absorbing Good Buu made him stronger. The candy beam is just a way Buu uses his magic, we had no reason to believe it was the ONLY way he could use his ability to shrink people. Dabra's spit wasn't mentioned by Kaioshin either. Buu's ability was foreshadowed very well, and completely possible going by what we had already seen from him. It's not an ass pull.

It did not make Boo stronger. It was never mentioned too, therefore it's unlikely it did. Good Boo is a different story as these were two Boo's who separated, so it's not to hard to believe Boo could affect another Boo in a strange way as they're two halves split from a being which had them both originally. Also Boo needs to be killed with every little piece of him dying, so being chewed up would not kill him anyways. However having a random bodily absorption ability just to extend the fight is silly. Boo's ability was not foreshadowed very well. That's your opinion and looking into things. It's a total ass pull to pull out of nowhere an absorption ability like this when he could just zap people with candy beam and be done with them. If candy beam let him absorb other people the same way, he could have just used that trick again no problem and it wouldn't have come out of nowhere as we're all aware of the candy beam. But instead we have a whole random absorption because we needed a way to bring Goku back into the plot and have Gohan lose. If Fat Boo used this absorption trick before or if we say Dabura get absorbed this way, then it wouldn't have been an ass pull.

Also Kaioshin forgetting about Dabura's spit doesn't make things any less stupid.

See, you're making assumptions. Fact is, we saw him get stronger by eating one strong guy, and nothing is stated about the other. Again, by the time Super Buu used it, it was already firmly established that Buu could absorb people (or at least the evil-controlled ones could).

He could only regenerate because of his unique body. Cookie Buu wouldn't be able to regenerate.

It's not an ass pull. It's just an application of abilities he explicitly already had, and his plan to do it was foreshadowed in the Gotenks fight. That's pretty much the opposite of an ass pull (do you seriously think Toriyama intended to have Gohan kill Buu right there until the past minute?). The Candy Beam wouldn't work in that situation. He needed to catch everyone off guard, and the Candy Beam is a slow, bright, easily-deflected beam. Trying to use it in the same way he used that absorption technique would just result in Gotenks dodging and then Gohan getting annoyed and beating his face in.

It proves that Kaioshin's negligence isn't evidence of a last second ass pull. He didn't tell then about Dabra's spit in the same chapter that he first uses it. Which was also the first time they encountered him. He also didn't say anything about the Candy Beam of even regeneration.

[Cold Skin]

Somehow, I don't think international titles will keep the "F" title.
It would surprise me if western titles were something like "the resurrection of F" or "F returns".

But I might be wrong, but I don't see Freezer being mentionned as just "F" in our title, it doesn't feel like something we'd see in a title over here.

This might explain why there's no English title this time, perhaps they're waiting for foreign countries (and mostly the US) to come up with their own natural English title.
Perhaps because some felt that Battle of Gods was also a bit weird compared to "A Battle of Gods" or "Battle of the Gods" (some even believed the title would be tweaked that way for the US release), so maybe this time Toei said "we'll let them make the international titles".

[FortuneSSJ]

The English title will be something like: Revival of Frieza...

[TheDevilsCorpse]

Yeah, the "F" loses a lot of context outside of Japan. It'll probably just become some variation of "Revival of Freeza".
Revival, resurrection, reappearance, rebirth, restoration, resurgence, revival, reawakening, or whatever else you can find in the thesaurus.

[FortuneSSJ]

Fanart of Goku's new outfit, using pre-ticket bonus as reference.

[Low Tone G]

The English title will be something like: Revival of Frieza...

For me it's interesting that the title contain only the first letter of Freeza's name. Maybe Toriyama wanted not only to bring back Frieza, but also wanted that letter to be associated with other meanings like: Freezer, the one who makes to chilled of fear, or even the rivival of Fear...