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DBZGTKOSDH
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by DBZGTKOSDH » Wed Nov 19, 2014 12:22 pm
RandomGuy96 wrote:DBZGTKOSDH wrote:RandomGuy96 wrote:Beerus gets turned into candy, and because he lacks Potara magic, he stays that way.
Do we know that it is because of Potara magic? I always thought it is because Vegetto is so strong, plus, the Potara seem to be weak to Boo's magic, since the atmosphere in Boo's body broke its power.
The Daizenshuu bio for Vegetto heavily implies it has nothing to do with strength. Otherwise, it wouldn't be a certain special property of Vegetto, any more than his ability to punch hard would be a "certain special property". Which makes sense, both logically, and because even Vegetto didn't know why he was still able to fight.
It could be a special characteristic thanks to his great power. Besides, Vegetto is the only one shown to resist it, which makes him really special. If the Potara could help him resist Boo's magic, I don't think their power would be broken by Boo's body's atmosphere, which normally isn't harmful at all.
But that's just my personal opinion on this. Personally, I don't buy that the Potara gave Vegetto special powers, since we were never told that the Potara give special powers to begin with, and the whole fight was about how mighty Vegetto was against Boo. Maybe it was the Potara, maybe it was his power, maybe it was just a gag, or maybe it was something else. My personal guess is his power.
James Teal (Animerica 1996) wrote:When you think about it, there are a number of similarities between the Chinese-inspired Son Goku and that most American of superhero icons, Superman. Both are aliens sent to Earth shortly after birth to escape the destruction of their homeworlds; both possess super-strength, flight, super-speed, heightened senses and the ability to cast energy blasts. But the crucial difference between them lies not only in how they view the world, but in how the world views them.
Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.
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by singsing » Wed Nov 19, 2014 2:37 pm
I'm a bit rusty with the Kaioshins and Buu, did any of the Kaioshins ever get turned into candy and eaten, or just straight up absorbed? Because if not, then maybe it's Kaioshin magic in general that have that special characteristic.
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by SSJ God Gogeta » Wed Nov 19, 2014 2:40 pm
singsing wrote:I'm a bit rusty with the Kaioshins and Buu, did any of the Kaioshins ever get turned into candy and eaten, or just straight up absorbed? Because if not, then maybe it's Kaioshin magic in general that have that special characteristic.
They just got absorbed by him.
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by Darkron2151 » Fri Nov 21, 2014 1:17 am
Super Saiyan Goku (Cell Games) vs. East Kaioshin
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by SSJ God Gogeta » Fri Nov 21, 2014 1:41 am
Darkron2151 wrote:Super Saiyan Goku (Cell Games) vs. East Kaioshin
East Kaioshin wins this one, if it was Buu saga Goku then it would have been an entirely different story.
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by Kaboom » Fri Nov 21, 2014 1:50 am
Given how much of a power disparity there was in total between Kaioshin, Dabra, and SS Goku/Vegeta, I'm gonna say that even seven years prior, Goku was already a good chunk ahead of the Kaioshin in power. Combine that with his superior battle prowess and we have a winner.
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by RandomGuy96 » Fri Nov 21, 2014 2:04 am
Kaioshin stomps. He can just raise his hand to paralyze Goku, and then kick him in the head until he dies. I think he rivals CG SS Goku in power, so this should be trivial for him.
The Monkey King wrote:RandomGuy96 wrote:dbgtFO wrote:
Please elaborate as I do not know what you mean by "pushing Vegeta's destruction"
He's probably referring to the Bardock special. Zarbon was the one who first recommended destroying Planet Vegeta because the saiyans were rapidly growing in strength.
It was actually Beerus disguised as Zarbon #StayWoke
Herms wrote:The fact that the ridiculous power inflation is presented so earnestly makes me just roll my eyes and snicker. Like with Freeza, where he starts off over 10 times stronger than all his henchmen except Ginyu (because...well, just because), then we find out he can transform and get even more powerful, and then he reveals he can transform two more times, before finally coming out with the fact that he hasn't even been using anywhere near 50% of his power. Oh, and he can survive in the vacuum of space. All this stuff is just presented as the way Freeza is, without even an attempt at rationalizing it, yet the tone dictates we're supposed to take all this silly grasping at straws as thrilling danger. So I guess I don't really take the power inflation in the Boo arc seriously, but I don't take the power inflation in earlier arcs seriously either, so there's no net loss of seriousness. I think a silly story presented as serious is harder to accept than a silly story presented as silly.
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by GogesusSSG » Fri Nov 21, 2014 12:37 pm
I think Goku takes this, otherwise why would Kaioshin be impressed with Gohan if he himself was in the same power range.
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by singsing » Fri Nov 21, 2014 12:41 pm
GogesusSSG wrote:I think Goku takes this, otherwise why would Kaioshin be impressed with Gohan if he himself was in the same power range.
Because Gohan was a mere mortal.
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by White Oni » Fri Nov 21, 2014 2:10 pm
RandomGuy96 wrote:Kaioshin stomps. He can just raise his hand to paralyze Goku, and then kick him in the head until he dies. I think he rivals CG SS Goku in power, so this should be trivial for him.
We can't rely on Kaioshin Magic for what if battles because he was shitting his pants over the likes of yokkon.
If "paralyze" magic is so effective in battle, he wouldn't give 2 fucks about him.
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by RandomGuy96 » Fri Nov 21, 2014 2:11 pm
GogesusSSG wrote:I think Goku takes this, otherwise why would Kaioshin be impressed with Gohan if he himself was in the same power range.
Because Gohan would eviscerate Cell Games Goku. He wouldn't be in the same range.
The Monkey King wrote:RandomGuy96 wrote:dbgtFO wrote:
Please elaborate as I do not know what you mean by "pushing Vegeta's destruction"
He's probably referring to the Bardock special. Zarbon was the one who first recommended destroying Planet Vegeta because the saiyans were rapidly growing in strength.
It was actually Beerus disguised as Zarbon #StayWoke
Herms wrote:The fact that the ridiculous power inflation is presented so earnestly makes me just roll my eyes and snicker. Like with Freeza, where he starts off over 10 times stronger than all his henchmen except Ginyu (because...well, just because), then we find out he can transform and get even more powerful, and then he reveals he can transform two more times, before finally coming out with the fact that he hasn't even been using anywhere near 50% of his power. Oh, and he can survive in the vacuum of space. All this stuff is just presented as the way Freeza is, without even an attempt at rationalizing it, yet the tone dictates we're supposed to take all this silly grasping at straws as thrilling danger. So I guess I don't really take the power inflation in the Boo arc seriously, but I don't take the power inflation in earlier arcs seriously either, so there's no net loss of seriousness. I think a silly story presented as serious is harder to accept than a silly story presented as silly.
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by Angelus » Fri Nov 21, 2014 5:00 pm
Android 16, 17, 18, 19, and 20 VS Pre-2nd day ROSAT ASSJ Future Trunks (with no sword and Saiyan armor)
No stone spit. No power-absorptions of any kind. No self-destructing. No blowing up of planets. No full nelsons or headlocks to try to keep Future Trunks immobilized.
Setting, on an empty Earth. All are fully-bloodlusted, no playing around or holding back. Gero won't be barking orders. Everyone just gangs up on Future Trunks.
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by Darkron2151 » Fri Nov 21, 2014 5:47 pm
Angelus wrote:Android 16, 17, 18, 19, and 20 VS Pre-2nd day ROSAT ASSJ Future Trunks (with no sword and Saiyan armor)
No stone spit. No power-absorptions of any kind. No self-destructing. No blowing up of planets. No full nelsons or headlocks to try to keep Future Trunks immobilized.
Setting, on an empty Earth. All are fully-bloodlusted, no playing around or holding back. Gero won't be barking orders. Everyone just gangs up on Future Trunks.
Trunks, in this form, is shown to be even stronger than Full-Power Semi-Cell. The same guy who, while suppressed, literally DID NOT MOVE when 16 punched him in the face. This is an absolute Cakewalk for Trunks. And Bloodlusted to boot? I give the Androids like, 10 seconds maximum.
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by Kaboom » Fri Nov 21, 2014 5:56 pm
Angelus wrote:Android 16, 17, 18, 19, and 20 VS Pre-2nd day ROSAT ASSJ Future Trunks (with no sword and Saiyan armor)
So... all the manga-featured Androids sans Cell, versus "Super Trunks."
There's about a minute, maybe a minute and a half of indiscernible chaos. After the dust clears, Trunks is standing there virtually unharmed, with a vast amount of both mechanical and biological gore spread around him being all that's left of the Androids.
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by Darkron2151 » Fri Nov 21, 2014 6:19 pm
Kaboom wrote:
So... all the manga-featured Androids sans Cell, versus "Super Trunks."
There's about a minute, maybe a minute and a half of indiscernible chaos. After the dust clears, Trunks is standing there virtually unharmed, with a vast amount of both mechanical and biological gore spread around him being all that's left of the Androids.
And that's if Trunks doesn't just blast them all to ashes. A better match-up would be just regular SSJ Trunks Post ROSAT vs. The Android Lot, and even that still might be too much of a stomp.
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by GogesusSSG » Fri Nov 21, 2014 8:07 pm
Angelus wrote:Android 16, 17, 18, 19, and 20 VS Pre-2nd day ROSAT ASSJ Future Trunks (with no sword and Saiyan armor)
No stone spit. No power-absorptions of any kind. No self-destructing. No blowing up of planets. No full nelsons or headlocks to try to keep Future Trunks immobilized.
Setting, on an empty Earth. All are fully-bloodlusted, no playing around or holding back. Gero won't be barking orders. Everyone just gangs up on Future Trunks.
I think even USS Trunks with extra strain on his stamina and speed would have no problem one shotting all of them.
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by ZombieVito » Fri Nov 21, 2014 8:57 pm
Zombie wrote:Yajirobe vs Yamcha.
Both BoZ.
I'm just going to quote myself since no one cared for this one haha.
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by RandomGuy96 » Fri Nov 21, 2014 9:00 pm
Zombie wrote:Zombie wrote:Yajirobe vs Yamcha.
Both BoZ.
I'm just going to quote myself since no one cared for this one haha.
Yamcha trips and breaks his own neck. Yajirobe eats his corpse.
The Monkey King wrote:RandomGuy96 wrote:dbgtFO wrote:
Please elaborate as I do not know what you mean by "pushing Vegeta's destruction"
He's probably referring to the Bardock special. Zarbon was the one who first recommended destroying Planet Vegeta because the saiyans were rapidly growing in strength.
It was actually Beerus disguised as Zarbon #StayWoke
Herms wrote:The fact that the ridiculous power inflation is presented so earnestly makes me just roll my eyes and snicker. Like with Freeza, where he starts off over 10 times stronger than all his henchmen except Ginyu (because...well, just because), then we find out he can transform and get even more powerful, and then he reveals he can transform two more times, before finally coming out with the fact that he hasn't even been using anywhere near 50% of his power. Oh, and he can survive in the vacuum of space. All this stuff is just presented as the way Freeza is, without even an attempt at rationalizing it, yet the tone dictates we're supposed to take all this silly grasping at straws as thrilling danger. So I guess I don't really take the power inflation in the Boo arc seriously, but I don't take the power inflation in earlier arcs seriously either, so there's no net loss of seriousness. I think a silly story presented as serious is harder to accept than a silly story presented as silly.
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by SSJ God Gogeta » Fri Nov 21, 2014 9:04 pm
The difference is that Yamcha doesn't fight back.
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by GogesusSSG » Fri Nov 21, 2014 9:20 pm
Zombie wrote:Zombie wrote:Yajirobe vs Yamcha.
Both BoZ.
I'm just going to quote myself since no one cared for this one haha.
I think powerlevel wise they're very similar but I'd say Yamcha only because he can use ki amplificated attacks and he can likely fly as well at this point.
