Gyt Kaliba wrote:Attitudefan wrote:I agree 100 percent. It's fiction and the characters should be as strong as the author needs them to be.
Hell, All the characters catching up to Freeza's power is illogical if Freeza cannot have a power boost now. Gohan, for example, should have never been able to lay his hands on Recoome if Vegeta couldn't just a few days ago. Haha.
It's all fiction. If Freeza is going to be strong, then that is that. I don't see why people complain about this.
I'm glad someone gets it at least.
I mean, don't get me wrong - the reason for Freeza getting stronger in this movie? For all we know at this point in time, it could turn out to be the stupidest, most contrived reason imaginable, and thus, not worth the story going that route at all. But at the same time, for all we know, it'll turn out to be something truly
amazing - and the fact that it's impressed Torishima is enough to keep me banking on the latter for now.
All this negativity about it right from the get go though, makes it where a lot of you aren't going to be able to enjoy the movie no matter what they do with it. At that point, why even continue to follow along about it, or even watch it when int comes out? Save yourself the headache and just ditch it.
I'm pretty sure most people get that, actually. But all of that is only talking from an out of universe perspective - and the problems come from the in-universe side.
Sure an author can do whatever the fuck they want with a story, but the physical capability to do so doesn't justify it. Everyone is aware that Toriyama can pull an endless amount of power ups from his ass and slap them on whatever character he wants, that's not the problem. If someone says "how can Freeza be relevant when he's so weak?" they mean "how can he can be relevant without some serious bullshit?" The fact that Freeza right now, is so laughably irrelevant, makes the power up he'd need to compete even more ridiculous.
The series had plenty of power ups before... but there were quite a number of those that were ass pulls, and hurt the story. The fact that the series has used them liberally doesn't make shitty power ups okay.
There's a lot of negativity right now because it'd be far easier to screw this up than to make it work. I, personally have little faith in Toriyama after Battle of Gods - none of the boosts there were particularly well written. Even at his best he came up with some pretty bad ideas and nothing he has done lately has matched the quality of his previous work - so I can only expect it will be worse than those.
The only thing in his favour is Torishima's praise, which everyone loves to get repeating, but how much does that actually matter? He's apparently quite strict, but that doesn't mean his praise is inherently more valuable or that he's a better judge - else that would make everyone here criticizing these developments a better judge than those accepting the new material.
Maybe Torishima didn't praise Toriyama's previous work very often because he wasn't coming up with stupid fucking ideas like this. Just wasn't hitting the right notes with him.
And the only other thing I know about Torishima - he's directly responsible for the Android arc turning into a complete clusterfuck and Cell's character diminishing. So I don't value his praise very highly at all with everything I know of him in mind.
). In particular, I don't understand the "well this power-up was also BS!" defense. Not only because whatever power-up this hypothetical boost is being compared to isn't in the same league of BS, but because this argument assumes that the person making the criticism can't be annoyed by both a hypothetical power-up that brings Freeza to SS3 Vegetto+ levels and, say, Goku's last zenkai in the Freeza arc. Just because the original work had a flaw doesn't mean said flaw should be repeated.