Dragon Ball Dubs when compared to One Piece & Naruto Dub

Anonymous Friend · Post by **Anonymous Friend** » Sun Oct 01, 2006 12:49 am

When I first found out about the changes that were made to Dragonball Z, I didn't sweat it too much. I was just so happy to have had what I could get. I just figured it to be a type of localization. I mean, hey, there's a lot of craziness that goes on in Japan. I thought maybe there was something there they didn't think that us westerners couldn't handle or maybe they weren't going to be allowed to show things. After checking some of it out, I've come to understand that they just made a lot of bad judgement calls.

Looking back on it, I wonder if it had been anything else besides Dragonball would it still have survived the chopping and screwing that Funi did to it. I can't be mad at them, because without them I don't know if I would have found Dragonball. And atleast I have you guys to let me know what I missed and to straighten me out when the Funi Dragonball Universe deviates from the Original.

In the end, we could bitch and moan all we want but what has happened has happened, Funi seems to be trying to rectify matters and those who have come after them seem to understand how to dub a little bit better so that hopefully the next generation won't have the same horror stories as we do.

Super Sonic · Post by **Super Sonic** » Sun Oct 01, 2006 12:55 am

Majin Buu wrote:Call me stubbron if you will but I'll never forgive Funimation for ruining DBZ (call it the permenant effect of being converted by Chris Psaros and the DBZOA from a DBZ dubbie into a DBZ dub hater).

You're aware that Chris Psaros got a few things wrong in his writings right?

Also regarding dialogue changes, it worked for Shin-chan.

GI_Judd2287 · Post by **GI_Judd2287** » Sun Oct 01, 2006 7:11 am

I honestly don't think they ruined Dragon Ball. If it wasn't for them, almost nobody on these forums would have seen it. You have to remember that they also respect the material enough to present it in it's original language with subtitles.

Majin Buu · Post by **Majin Buu** » Sun Oct 01, 2006 11:41 am

Super Sonic wrote:
Majin Buu wrote:Call me stubbron if you will but I'll never forgive Funimation for ruining DBZ (call it the permenant effect of being converted by Chris Psaros and the DBZOA from a DBZ dubbie into a DBZ dub hater).
You're aware that Chris Psaros got a few things wrong in his writings right?

Also regarding dialogue changes, it worked for Shin-chan.

I'm well aware of that. Like EX said in one of the podcasts, he isn't infallable.

I can't comment on Shin-chan since I don't know what it is. All I know is it didn't work for Dragonball.

GI, I believe they decided to release the origional version because the fans bitched at them with that huge petition from Toriyama.org to do so. Not because they genuinely like the origional. If they did they wouldn't have changed the music and done all the other stuff they did to it.

Tsukento · Post by **Tsukento** » Sun Oct 01, 2006 11:48 am

Super Sonic wrote:Also regarding dialogue changes, it worked for Shin-chan.

Big difference between changing the dialogue for a show that can be translated 100% and a show that has way too many jokes based off of the Japanese language, puns and pop-culture.

Look at how "well received" Milk-chan was when adult swim decided to air the non-Americanized version.

Sebastian (SB) · Post by **Sebastian (SB)** » Sun Oct 01, 2006 4:39 pm

I pretty much agree for what Tsukento said, but I'm pretty two-sided about dialogue changes for what GI_Judd2287 said. I admit if it wasn't for FUNi bringing the series here I'd probably wouldn't be the fan that I am now, but on the flip side much of the dialogue changes prevented me from enjoying it at a second viewing after watching the original version. I can't really look back at it the same way anymore. I give its recongition for starting my fandom, but I have a little trouble being merciful or forgiving of its treatment. Overall, this is probably one of the essential reasons I brought up a topic like this, to hear other opinions on the topic. Rather than "bitch & whine" about it, I wanted to have formal discussion to see if others sypathise & understand my feelings on treatments of dubs, how it interprets its original counterparts, & how they've improve over the years. Yet, even to this day, there's still fans complaining about how the dubs, rather than realizing how they've improved over the years. Yet, these same fans that complain about the other respective dubs (specifically, Naruto), have probably only seen the Dragon Ball dub, then when viewing upon the original version, they seem to complain & concentrate upon Nozawa's voice, the music, & various other reasons, that the irony of it all drives me up the fucking wall...... Don't get me wrong I understand most of these fans feelings. It's just that it's a helluva a lot better than what we got & that's faithfulness to the original intent. One Piece fans have every right to be really pissed right now (cause I know I am) even more so than us.

Casual Matt · Post by **Casual Matt** » Sun Oct 01, 2006 4:52 pm

GI_Judd2287 wrote:I honestly don't think they ruined Dragon Ball. If it wasn't for them, almost nobody on these forums would have seen it. You have to remember that they also respect the material enough to present it in it's original language with subtitles.

I have to say, I don't hate FUNimation because of their dub. Sure, they're dub sucks, but like you said, they give us the Japanese version.

However, I am starting to hate FUNimation because of their assbackwards release order and seeming not to know what the heck they're doing.

Super Sonic · Post by **Super Sonic** » Sun Oct 01, 2006 5:10 pm

I also must say on topic, if it weren't for Funimation's licensing of the series, I would never heard of DB/DBZ. One Piece and Naruto, I was introduced to through Shonen Jump USA.

Duo · Post by **Duo** » Mon Oct 02, 2006 12:33 am

Super Sonic wrote:I also must say on topic, if it weren't for Funimation's licensing of the series, I would never heard of DB/DBZ. One Piece and Naruto, I was introduced to through Shonen Jump USA.

Or, perhaps, your first exposure to DragonBall would have been via SJ USA just like the others. Hypothetically.

Anonymous Friend · Post by **Anonymous Friend** » Mon Oct 02, 2006 2:01 am

an article with interviews with FUNimation staff from back in January 2000

Majin Buu · Post by **Majin Buu** » Mon Oct 02, 2006 12:30 pm

But he notes that FUNimation is about to expand into the anime-snob market by releasing the unedited Japanese series with English subtitles on DVD.

I don't like how Mr.Sabat ignorantly reffers to fans of the origional as "anime snobs". Especially since most REAL anime snobs hate DBZ.

And that entire article in general seems to put a negative stigma on fans of the Japanese version.

Duo · Post by **Duo** » Mon Oct 02, 2006 2:06 pm

Majin Buu wrote:
But he notes that FUNimation is about to expand into the anime-snob market by releasing the unedited Japanese series with English subtitles on DVD.
I don't like how Mr.Sabat ignorantly reffers to fans of the origional as "anime snobs". Especially since most REAL anime snobs hate DBZ.

And that entire article in general seems to put a negative stigma on fans of the Japanese version.

Ignorance is bliss.

_Jrinu_ · Post by **_Jrinu_** » Mon Oct 02, 2006 2:22 pm

I dunno, I think it's kind of funny how he calls people anime-snobs.

It's kinda true if you think about it. I can why someone would say that about someone like me.

I know, that I personally cringe whenever I hear someone say...

...well, I'm not going to say it, but it's what 4Kids decided to call Zoro.

Sebastian (SB) · Post by **Sebastian (SB)** » Mon Oct 02, 2006 2:39 pm

I generally agree with what Duo & Majin Buu has said, though it's interesting to see it from a perspective of someone who works behind the scenes. You can kinda relate to the work they put ont these things. Though I disagree with some comments Sabat made, especially being insistined on changing the music. While what he says, rings some truth, it can't be applied to all of American audiences.

Duo · Post by **Duo** » Mon Oct 02, 2006 2:49 pm

I understand his point of view, I just disagree with most of his opinions on the matter of dubbing, especially in regard to "silent" pan shots.

But to be judged as a snob because I prefer the Japanese version? That is why I call him ignorant.

Ironically, I didn't even know the Japanese version existed when that article was written.

Rocketman · Post by **Rocketman** » Mon Oct 02, 2006 3:36 pm

Majin Buu wrote:And that entire article in general seems to put a negative stigma on fans of the Japanese version.

I think the constant bitching does that.

Super Sonic · Post by **Super Sonic** » Mon Oct 02, 2006 3:41 pm

You're aware that article is over 6 years old and his opinion probably changed since then right? Why are you bringing up old stuff?

Sebastian (SB) · Post by **Sebastian (SB)** » Mon Oct 02, 2006 4:40 pm

Rocketman wrote:
Majin Buu wrote:And that entire article in general seems to put a negative stigma on fans of the Japanese version.
I think the constant bitching does that.

Yep, apparently there's good & bad fans of each respective versions, so in a sense we're all in the same boat.

Super Sonic wrote:You're aware that article is over 6 years old and his opinion probably changed since then right? Why are you bringing up old stuff?

Who are you directing this to? Is was Anonymous Friend whom brought up this article...

Anonymous Friend · Post by **Anonymous Friend** » Mon Oct 02, 2006 5:34 pm

I was trying to find any article that i could find that was from the point of view of FUNi. The agruements here are powerfully one sided and that's really not fair. Give them a change to defend themselves I say.

It was interresting to me that the article was printed around the time that Cartoon Network finished up the Freeza Saga. I have been checking out http://dbzuncensored.dbzoa.net/ where they list the differences of the Japanese Original and the FUNi remix episode to episode. From what i can tell this saga was when they started doing a little better one tiny step at a time.

There is a chance that opinions have changed from then to now.

Duo · Post by **Duo** » Tue Oct 03, 2006 3:20 am

Anonymous Friend wrote:I was trying to find any article that i could find that was from the point of view of FUNi. The agruements here are powerfully one sided and that's really not fair. Give them a change to defend themselves I say.

It was interresting to me that the article was printed around the time that Cartoon Network finished up the Freeza Saga. I have been checking out http://dbzuncensored.dbzoa.net/ where they list the differences of the Japanese Original and the FUNi remix episode to episode. From what i can tell this saga was when they started doing a little better one tiny step at a time.

There is a chance that opinions have changed from then to now.

Whereas visual edits were reduced, script buturing remained and voice acting fell to a significantly lower level than it was before. I actually prefer the Saban-Nazi Ocean version.

People don't have these opinions for no reason. I'm not a dub basher or a basher of dub fans, but I, personally, don't like the dub. Am I justified? I've seen all of DragonBall Z and GT in Dub form, and never watched the Japanese version until about a year and a half ago. Yet, in that short time, it overwrote almost a decade of personal fandom.

Like I said, people don't have these opinions for no reason. At least, I don't.