The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by RandomGuy96 » Sun Nov 23, 2014 6:42 pm

Angelus wrote:Saiyan Saga Great Ape Vegeta VS Ginyu Force, Dodoria, Cui, transformed Zarbon. No body change or time stop.

Recoome VS Nappa, Raditz, start of Z Goku and Gohan. All great apes with control. No tail cutting/grabbing

Majin Spopovich VS Bacterian

Ranfan VS Videl

Ginyu Frog VS Turtle. Both no anime feats.

Burter VS Fat base Gotenks

Skinny base Gotenks VS Nail
The Ginyus should be able to cut off his tail fairly easily.

Nappa would be about equal with him in strength and durability, but Recoome's considerable speed and maneuverability advantage would give him the victory. The other three don't matter.

Bacterian could at least hurt 21st Budokai Krillin. Spopovich dies.

Ranfan could hurt Nam and seemingly move at superhuman speeds. Videl gets curb-stomped.

The turtle's bigger, so the turtle I guess.

No way to know.

No way to know.
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dbgtFO wrote: Please elaborate as I do not know what you mean by "pushing Vegeta's destruction"
He's probably referring to the Bardock special. Zarbon was the one who first recommended destroying Planet Vegeta because the saiyans were rapidly growing in strength.
It was actually Beerus disguised as Zarbon #StayWoke
Herms wrote:The fact that the ridiculous power inflation is presented so earnestly makes me just roll my eyes and snicker. Like with Freeza, where he starts off over 10 times stronger than all his henchmen except Ginyu (because...well, just because), then we find out he can transform and get even more powerful, and then he reveals he can transform two more times, before finally coming out with the fact that he hasn't even been using anywhere near 50% of his power. Oh, and he can survive in the vacuum of space. All this stuff is just presented as the way Freeza is, without even an attempt at rationalizing it, yet the tone dictates we're supposed to take all this silly grasping at straws as thrilling danger. So I guess I don't really take the power inflation in the Boo arc seriously, but I don't take the power inflation in earlier arcs seriously either, so there's no net loss of seriousness. I think a silly story presented as serious is harder to accept than a silly story presented as silly.

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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by Super Saiyan Turlast x4 » Sun Nov 23, 2014 7:01 pm

1. Oozaru Vegeta has the power necessary to crush them all, but he can't sense at this point. The Ginyu Force are a team, so with Ginyu, Reacoom and Jheese creating a diversion, Butta would be able to use his great speed to get rid of Vegeta's tail. If they can't do that, they're done.

2. I'm guessing Reacoom would be right around Oozaru Nappa's power, or one would be somewhat more powerful than the other. Either way, an Eraser Gun would do some significant damage to Nappa, but I could see Nappa's own ultimate technique doing great damage to Reacoom as well. Reacoom has the ability to speed-up, so I could see him being faster than Oozaru Nappa. The others wouldn't be relevant. Reacoom wins after a tough fight.

3. I doubt Bacterian would be able to shake off a Chi-blast to the face, much less keep Spopo down with any of his attacks. So, Majin Spopovitch.
4. Videl can fight and fly, but Ranfan is pretty fast and tough. Ranfan is a better fighter, so she wins.
5. Turtle because he's bigger.
6. Butta wins in a racing contest, at least.
7. Nail looks cooler. Aside from that, Gotenks still wins, even though he looks like shit.
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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by Kaboom » Sun Nov 23, 2014 7:41 pm

Angelus wrote:Saiyan Saga Great Ape Vegeta VS Ginyu Force, Dodoria, Cui, transformed Zarbon. No body change or time stop.
Recoome VS Nappa, Raditz, start of Z Goku and Gohan. All great apes with control. No tail cutting/grabbing.
Majin Spopovich VS Bacterian
Ranfan VS Videl
Ginyu Frog VS Turtle. Both no anime feats.
Burter VS Fat base Gotenks
Skinny base Gotenks VS Nail
Colonel Silver VS Pintar
1. I think I'm with RandomGuy on this one. It's probably fairly well-known how Saiyans' tails and transformation work.
2. The Saiyans win, but Nappa does most of the work.
3. Spopovich. He's superhuman, and I think already too crazy to be affected by Bacterian's stink tactics. One quick rush and it's over.
4. Lanfan was strong, but I think Videl's basic ki use makes her stronger. Lanfan relies on her seduction tactics when she's otherwise outmatched, but I assume that won't work on Videl...
5. Frog-Ginyu runs away and Turtle's too slow to catch him.
6. When a Fusion fails, it REALLY fails. There's no good way to tell how much power skinny Gotenks had, but my gut tells me it was practically nothing. I'll give this one to Nail.
7. Pre-Raditz power comparisons give me a headache. Pass.
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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by Angelus » Sun Nov 23, 2014 9:27 pm

Giran VS Two Pre-Roshi training Krillins

Videl, Blonde Launch, and Mr. Satan VS Pamput

Mercenary Tao VS 8 Billion Farmers with shotgun

22nd WMAT Jackie Chun and Krillin VS 23rd WMAT Naked Chi Chi

Ox King VS Bora

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#8 VS Giran

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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by RandomGuy96 » Sun Nov 23, 2014 9:41 pm

Angelus wrote:Giran VS Two Pre-Roshi training Krillins

Videl, Blonde Launch, and Mr. Satan VS Pamput

Mercenary Tao VS 8 Billion Farmers with shotgun

22nd WMAT Jackie Chun and Krillin VS 23rd WMAT Naked Chi Chi

Ox King VS Bora

Giran, Bacterian, Pamput, Ranfan, Nam, Videl, Mr. Satan, Colonel Silver, General White, Blonde Launch, Pintar, Jewel, Killa VS Bandages the Mummy

#8 VS Giran
Giran stomps. That Krillin was weaker than BODB Goku, and I have a hard time believing that someone who can pose a challenge to 21st Budokai would have any trouble with a much weaker version.

Panput, since he was actually strong enough to clear the preliminaries.

He gets shot to death even if it's just 80 farmers. Also, that farmer had a rifle IIRC...

Roshi should be distracted enough for Chi Chi to knock him out of the fight fairly early. From there, it's just her vs Krillin, and she's much stronger. Krillin's skill advantage won't matter when he can't even hurt her.

Well, Ox-King did smash tanks in that one filler sequence... so I'll just go with him.

No weapons, I assume? Well, Roshi made it sound like 21st Budokai Goku would have a chance against the Mummy. Nam and Giran could give Goku trouble. I see the team being able to knock around the Mummy for a while by coming at him from all angles, but not really do any lasting damage. Mummy then kills them all relatively quickly. Unless, of course, Pamput is secretly super badass and capable of slaughtering the Mummy alone. Nothing supports or contradicts that.

Goku said #8 was stronger than him. He stomps Giran.
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dbgtFO wrote: Please elaborate as I do not know what you mean by "pushing Vegeta's destruction"
He's probably referring to the Bardock special. Zarbon was the one who first recommended destroying Planet Vegeta because the saiyans were rapidly growing in strength.
It was actually Beerus disguised as Zarbon #StayWoke
Herms wrote:The fact that the ridiculous power inflation is presented so earnestly makes me just roll my eyes and snicker. Like with Freeza, where he starts off over 10 times stronger than all his henchmen except Ginyu (because...well, just because), then we find out he can transform and get even more powerful, and then he reveals he can transform two more times, before finally coming out with the fact that he hasn't even been using anywhere near 50% of his power. Oh, and he can survive in the vacuum of space. All this stuff is just presented as the way Freeza is, without even an attempt at rationalizing it, yet the tone dictates we're supposed to take all this silly grasping at straws as thrilling danger. So I guess I don't really take the power inflation in the Boo arc seriously, but I don't take the power inflation in earlier arcs seriously either, so there's no net loss of seriousness. I think a silly story presented as serious is harder to accept than a silly story presented as silly.

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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by Galan007 » Sun Nov 23, 2014 10:46 pm

Angelus wrote:Mr. Buu VS Kibito Kai

Mr. Buu VS Cell Games SSJ2 Gohan, SSJ2 Majin Vegeta, SSJ2 Goku, Piccolo, Post-ROSAT SSJ Goten and Trunks, USSJ Future Trunks, Android 17 and 18, Tenshinhan, Krillin, Yamcha, Chiaotzu, Android 16, Android 19, Dodoria
Mr. Buu was able to stall Pure Buu for over 30 pages in the manga--long enough for a bit of monologuing to occur, the Eternal Dragon to be summoned, TWO wishes to be made, and even more monloguing to occur--before he was beaten. For a point of comparison, SSJ2 Vegeta only stalled Pure Buu for around 10 pages--less than a minute--before he was KTFO. Long story short: Mr. Buu stomps Kibito Kai.

The only potential threats to Mr. Buu here are Gohan/Vegeta/Goku--the rest are fodder. Regardless, Mr. Buu is still more powerful than the aforementioned, and possesses ridiculous damage-soak/regen, and can transmute them to chocolate if need be. Mr. Buu takes this one as well.

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Post by Lord Beerus » Sun Nov 23, 2014 11:16 pm

Super Saiyan God Goku, Beerus and Whis vs Omega Shenron

Mystic/Ultimate/Super Gohan and SSJ3 Goku vs Super 17

Gogeta (SSJ) vs Oozaru Baby Vegeta

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Post by Galan007 » Sun Nov 23, 2014 11:23 pm

Lord Beerus wrote:Super Saiyan God Goku, Beerus and Whis vs Omega Shenron

Mystic/Ultimate/Super Gohan and SSJ3 Goku vs Super 17

Gogeta (SSJ) vs Oozaru Baby Vegeta

Broly vs Super Buu (w/Gohan, Piccolo, Goten and Trunks)
Omega Shenron wins. Reason: GT power-scaling.

S17 wins. Reason: see above.

Oozaru Baby wins. Reason: see above.

Super Buu wins. Reason: Broly was Cell-level at most--Super Buu was, to put it mildly, far beyond that.

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Post by KentalSSJ6 » Sun Nov 23, 2014 11:28 pm

Broly is wrecked by anything SP Cell and up.
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Post by RandomGuy96 » Sun Nov 23, 2014 11:54 pm

Lord Beerus wrote:Super Saiyan God Goku, Beerus and Whis vs Omega Shenron

Mystic/Ultimate/Super Gohan and SSJ3 Goku vs Super 17

Gogeta (SSJ) vs Oozaru Baby Vegeta

Broly vs Super Buu (w/Gohan, Piccolo, Goten and Trunks)
Syn Shenron can one-shot all of them. Giving him a x10+ power boost is just cruel.

Super Baby 1 was stronger than Buuhan, yet still weaker than Super 17's base power. These guys stand no chance.

SS4 Goku > SS3 Gogeta by a lot IMO, assuming the base forms of Goku are equal in both cases. Gogeta dies.

Any form of Buu absolutely rape-stomps the strongest version of Broly. Why'd you put the strongest form of Buu up against such a weakling?
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Mr. Buu put up a fight against Pure Buu. He doesn't notice any of these weaklings attacking him. That's the best they can hope for, anyway.
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dbgtFO wrote: Please elaborate as I do not know what you mean by "pushing Vegeta's destruction"
He's probably referring to the Bardock special. Zarbon was the one who first recommended destroying Planet Vegeta because the saiyans were rapidly growing in strength.
It was actually Beerus disguised as Zarbon #StayWoke
Herms wrote:The fact that the ridiculous power inflation is presented so earnestly makes me just roll my eyes and snicker. Like with Freeza, where he starts off over 10 times stronger than all his henchmen except Ginyu (because...well, just because), then we find out he can transform and get even more powerful, and then he reveals he can transform two more times, before finally coming out with the fact that he hasn't even been using anywhere near 50% of his power. Oh, and he can survive in the vacuum of space. All this stuff is just presented as the way Freeza is, without even an attempt at rationalizing it, yet the tone dictates we're supposed to take all this silly grasping at straws as thrilling danger. So I guess I don't really take the power inflation in the Boo arc seriously, but I don't take the power inflation in earlier arcs seriously either, so there's no net loss of seriousness. I think a silly story presented as serious is harder to accept than a silly story presented as silly.

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Post by Darkron2151 » Sun Nov 23, 2014 11:58 pm

KentalSSJ6 wrote:Broly is wrecked by anything SP Cell and up.
Depends on which Broly you're talking about. I have Movie 8 Broly ~ Full Power Perfect Cell, but I have Movie 10 Broly slightly stronger than SSJ2 Goku, mostly because of the movie's description saying that Broly was the most powerful Saiyan, while at the same time, SSJ3 Goku wasn't revealed yet. But I don't have him anywhere NEAR Kid Buu, much less Super Buu.

Food for thought, how would a "LSSJ3" Broly do against SSJ3 Goku or Kid Buu?

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Post by SSJ God Gogeta » Mon Nov 24, 2014 12:00 am

Lord Beerus wrote:Super Saiyan God Goku, Beerus and Whis vs Omega Shenron

Mystic/Ultimate/Super Gohan and SSJ3 Goku vs Super 17

Gogeta (SSJ) vs Oozaru Baby Vegeta

Broly vs Super Buu (w/Gohan, Piccolo, Goten and Trunks)
Omega, because of the GT power-scaling.

S17 wins.

Without the Stardust Breaker, Gogeta loses this one.

Broly gets sent to the next dimension and is never heard of again.
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KentalSSJ6 wrote:Broly is wrecked by anything SP Cell and up.
Depends on which Broly you're talking about. I have Movie 8 Broly ~ Full Power Perfect Cell, but I have Movie 10 Broly slightly stronger than SSJ2 Goku, mostly because of the movie's description saying that Broly was the most powerful Saiyan, while at the same time, SSJ3 Goku wasn't revealed yet. But I don't have him anywhere NEAR Kid Buu, much less Super Buu.

Food for thought, how would a "LSSJ3" Broly do against SSJ3 Goku or Kid Buu?
For me, SS2 Goku > LSS Broly (which I just see as a mutant version of SS2). So SS3 Goku > SS3 Broly.
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dbgtFO wrote: Please elaborate as I do not know what you mean by "pushing Vegeta's destruction"
He's probably referring to the Bardock special. Zarbon was the one who first recommended destroying Planet Vegeta because the saiyans were rapidly growing in strength.
It was actually Beerus disguised as Zarbon #StayWoke
Herms wrote:The fact that the ridiculous power inflation is presented so earnestly makes me just roll my eyes and snicker. Like with Freeza, where he starts off over 10 times stronger than all his henchmen except Ginyu (because...well, just because), then we find out he can transform and get even more powerful, and then he reveals he can transform two more times, before finally coming out with the fact that he hasn't even been using anywhere near 50% of his power. Oh, and he can survive in the vacuum of space. All this stuff is just presented as the way Freeza is, without even an attempt at rationalizing it, yet the tone dictates we're supposed to take all this silly grasping at straws as thrilling danger. So I guess I don't really take the power inflation in the Boo arc seriously, but I don't take the power inflation in earlier arcs seriously either, so there's no net loss of seriousness. I think a silly story presented as serious is harder to accept than a silly story presented as silly.

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Post by Angelus » Mon Nov 24, 2014 12:09 am

#8 VS Mercenary Tao

USSJ Future Trunks VS Future 17 and 18 and later on Imperfect Cell (Would it take him longer to finish them off because of his lack of speed or much faster because of more power?)

Drum, Tambourine, and Cymbal VS Korin

First form Frieza VS Ginyu Force, Great Apes Vegeta, Nappa, King Vegeta, Bardock, and Raditz, Saiyan Saga Great Apes with full control Goku (can still use Kaioken x4 with it) and Gohan , Dodoria, transformed Zarbon, Cui, Nail, Saiyan Saga Z Fighters (Tien, Krillin, Yamcha, Chiaotzu, Yajirobe), 6 Saibamen, and 130 Namekians. No body change or tail cutting.

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Angelus wrote:#8 VS Mercenary Tao

USSJ Future Trunks VS Future 17 and 18 and later on Imperfect Cell (Would it take him longer to finish them off because of his lack of speed or much faster because of more power?)

Drum, Tambourine, and Cymbal VS Karin

First form Freeza VS Ginyu Force, Great Apes Vegeta, Nappa, King Vegeta, Bardock, and Raditz, Saiyan Saga Great Apes with full control Goku (can still use Kaioken x4 with it) and Gohan , Dodoria, transformed Zarbon, Cui, Nail, Saiyan Saga Z Fighters (Tenshinhan, Krillin, Yamcha, Chiaotzu, Yajirobe), 6 Saibamen, and 130 Namekians. No body change or tail cutting.
There's no way to tell. Probably Tao, though.

Doesn't really matter. He'd still kill them.

Drum can beat Karin alone. Throwing in the rest just turns it into a curb stomp.

Freeza kills them all with one finger.
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dbgtFO wrote: Please elaborate as I do not know what you mean by "pushing Vegeta's destruction"
He's probably referring to the Bardock special. Zarbon was the one who first recommended destroying Planet Vegeta because the saiyans were rapidly growing in strength.
It was actually Beerus disguised as Zarbon #StayWoke
Herms wrote:The fact that the ridiculous power inflation is presented so earnestly makes me just roll my eyes and snicker. Like with Freeza, where he starts off over 10 times stronger than all his henchmen except Ginyu (because...well, just because), then we find out he can transform and get even more powerful, and then he reveals he can transform two more times, before finally coming out with the fact that he hasn't even been using anywhere near 50% of his power. Oh, and he can survive in the vacuum of space. All this stuff is just presented as the way Freeza is, without even an attempt at rationalizing it, yet the tone dictates we're supposed to take all this silly grasping at straws as thrilling danger. So I guess I don't really take the power inflation in the Boo arc seriously, but I don't take the power inflation in earlier arcs seriously either, so there's no net loss of seriousness. I think a silly story presented as serious is harder to accept than a silly story presented as silly.

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Post by SSJ God Gogeta » Mon Nov 24, 2014 12:29 am

Angelus wrote:#8 VS Mercenary Tao

USSJ Future Trunks VS Future 17 and 18 and later on Imperfect Cell (Would it take him longer to finish them off because of his lack of speed or much faster because of more power?)

Drum, Tambourine, and Cymbal VS Karin

First form Freeza VS Ginyu Force, Great Apes Vegeta, Nappa, King Vegeta, Bardock, and Raditz, Saiyan Saga Great Apes with full control Goku (can still use Kaioken x4 with it) and Gohan , Dodoria, transformed Zarbon, Cui, Nail, Saiyan Saga Z Fighters (Tenshinhan, Krillin, Yamcha, Chiaotzu, Yajirobe), 6 Saibamen, and 130 Namekians. No body change or tail cutting.
Tao wins.

Trunks tanks them all.

Karin loses all of his 9 lives.

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Post by Angelus » Mon Nov 24, 2014 12:32 am

RandomGuy96 wrote:Drum can beat Karin alone. Throwing in the rest just turns it into a curb stomp.
Didn't you say Karin is more powerful than anyone in the 22nd WMAT? Goku was the most powerful one there. Yet Karin is still superior to him. Drum was superior to Tien.

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Post by RandomGuy96 » Mon Nov 24, 2014 12:51 am

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RandomGuy96 wrote:Drum can beat Karin alone. Throwing in the rest just turns it into a curb stomp.
Didn't you say Karin is more powerful than anyone in the 22nd WMAT? Goku was the most powerful one there. Yet Karin is still superior to him. Drum was superior to Tenshinhan.
Yeah, but only slightly. Drum on the other hand was at least moderately stronger than Ten.
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dbgtFO wrote: Please elaborate as I do not know what you mean by "pushing Vegeta's destruction"
He's probably referring to the Bardock special. Zarbon was the one who first recommended destroying Planet Vegeta because the saiyans were rapidly growing in strength.
It was actually Beerus disguised as Zarbon #StayWoke
Herms wrote:The fact that the ridiculous power inflation is presented so earnestly makes me just roll my eyes and snicker. Like with Freeza, where he starts off over 10 times stronger than all his henchmen except Ginyu (because...well, just because), then we find out he can transform and get even more powerful, and then he reveals he can transform two more times, before finally coming out with the fact that he hasn't even been using anywhere near 50% of his power. Oh, and he can survive in the vacuum of space. All this stuff is just presented as the way Freeza is, without even an attempt at rationalizing it, yet the tone dictates we're supposed to take all this silly grasping at straws as thrilling danger. So I guess I don't really take the power inflation in the Boo arc seriously, but I don't take the power inflation in earlier arcs seriously either, so there's no net loss of seriousness. I think a silly story presented as serious is harder to accept than a silly story presented as silly.

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Post by Angelus » Mon Nov 24, 2014 12:54 am

Ah, so Drum>Karin then. Maybe it should have been a Tambourine and Cymbal VS Karin instead. XD

Another set:

Mr. Buu/Good Buu VS SSJ Gotenks (No time limit)

Dabura VS SSJ Vegeta (not SSJ2 or Majin; Buu Saga)

Babidi VS Nappa

USSJ Future Trunks VS Semi-Perfect Cell (does all that loss of speed matter now?)

SSJ Future Trunks (with sword) VS Mecha Frieza, King Cold, Final Form Cooler, Android 19, Android 20. No absorbing.

999 Centillion Saibamen VS ASSJ Vegeta

Pui Pui VS Burter

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Post by Super Saiyan Turlast x4 » Mon Nov 24, 2014 1:11 am

1. I think Super Saiyan Gotenks is stronger than Fat Boo, so the weaker Mr. Boo has no chance.
2. Super Saiyan Vegeta is stronger than Super Saiyan Gohan, and Gohan was about equal to Dabra. Vegeta demolishes Dabra with ease.
3. Bobbidi would just convert Nappa to become one of his minions. In terms of raw power, Nappa would be able to vaporize him instantly. Nappa's
4. Trunks easily wins. The speed loss wouldn't make any difference here.
5. I don't think Trunks would be able to take them all.
6. Lol, I dunno. Vegeta could probably use an explosive wave to finish them or something.
7. I see Pui-Pui being way more powerful than Butta, so easy win for him.
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