How powerful did Yamcha, Ten, Chaozu, and Krillin get?

[CaptainKatsura]

In Kai Krillin was shown to train on Master Roshi's island, so most likely his power level didn't drop like Gohan's after Cell Arc.

[Piccolo Daimao]

In Kai Krillin was shown to train on Master Roshi's island, so most likely his power level didn't drop like Gohan's after Cell Arc.

Is that during the three years of training for the Androids, or between the end of the Cell Games and the beginning of the Boo arc?

Personally, I don't think Gohan or anyone in their prime's power really physically dropped due to lack of training. I think that Gohan just lost the ability to gain power from rage. Likewise, I think that, after training for the 22nd TB, Kame-sennin reached 139 (don't know whether or not he reached or surpassed his strength in his prime) and stayed there for quite a while. He only would've actually dropped in power once he really started getting old and, perhaps, close to death (if he even can die).

[CaptainKatsura]

I mean, Krillin was shown to train even before Goku got back from Yardrat. So he probably stayed in shape and retained power level of 75.000, or even increased it during Goku's absence. Though I think it wasn't huge increase.

[Titan]

They would have to progress faster than Goku to possibly catch up with Krillin

Well, they have done that in the past. They gained strength faster training under Kami in one year than Goku did in three. Of course, Kami apparently left Goku's training to Popo when he realized that Goku wouldn't go through with killing Piccolo, so maybe he just got a raw deal...? They also asked Kaio for tougher training than he gave Goku, for whatever that's worth.

I suppose there's another way of looking at this, however. Goku got about twenty times stronger from his training with Kaio, right? He was there for 158 days, so we could break that down and say that he got something like 1.018889 times stronger each day. If we then assume that Tenshinhan would increase at the same rate, while also taking into account that he was there for 266 days and had a battle power of around 1830 when he got there, then we get something like...

1830 * (1.018889)^266 = 265,582

However, that's assuming the rate of growth would be the same from day to day rather than it slowing down the stronger he got, which would probably be more likely. If we take the growth as a whole into account instead of breaking it down into days, then saying he'd get forty times stronger (as opposed to Goku's twenty) would be pretty generous considering he wasn't there twice as long as Goku had been, and a forty times increase would still only put him up to 73,200. Personally, I could believe that, and if I'm generous enough to assume that he made really good progress with his mountain training, I don't have too much of a problem thinking he may have been in a low millions by the arrival of the androids.

But I do admit that I'm being really generous when I say that.

Good post!

They would have to progress faster than Goku to possibly catch up with Krillin

Well, they have done that in the past. They gained strength faster training under Kami in one year than Goku did in three. Of course, Kami apparently left Goku's training to Popo when he realized that Goku wouldn't go through with killing Piccolo, so maybe he just got a raw deal...? They also asked Kaio for tougher training than he gave Goku, for whatever that's worth.

I suppose there's another way of looking at this, however. Goku got about twenty times stronger from his training with Kaio, right? He was there for 158 days, so we could break that down and say that he got something like 1.018889 times stronger each day. If we then assume that Tenshinhan would increase at the same rate, while also taking into account that he was there for 266 days and had a battle power of around 1830 when he got there, then we get something like...

1830 * (1.018889)^266 = 265,582

However, that's assuming the rate of growth would be the same from day to day rather than it slowing down the stronger he got, which would probably be more likely. If take the growth as a whole into account instead of breaking it down into days, then saying he'd get forty times stronger (as opposed to Goku's twenty) would be pretty generous considering he wasn't there twice as long as Goku had been, and a forty times increase would still only put him up to 73,200. Personally, I could believe that, and if I'm generous enough to assume that he made really good progress with his mountain training, I don't have too much of a problem thinking he may have been in a low millions by the arrival of the androids.

But I do admit that I'm being really generous when I say that.

You forgot to factor in Tenshinhan stating that he would USE Goku's training regiment, and highlight the key points, in order to progress faster, then you also have to factor in that Tenshinhan has training partners which would enhance his growth even further than Goku who trained alone. However, with the departure of Yamcha the rate would have slow down a bit, for the remaining 6 months.

Good point!

The last worthwhile thing he did with his own power was beat a Saibaiman. Yay. (And even THAT looked pathetic compared to Kuririn's Saibaimen-slaughtering feat)

I don't know why you are comparing apples with oranges.
Tenshinhan defeated a Saibaman with a single shot, on the other hand, Krillin used a ki attack. Two different things.

Following your logic Piccolo's performance vs the Saibamen was pathetic as well, furthermore, you fail to address the fact
that Krillin attack did nothing to Nappa's armour while Tenshinhan weakened Kihoho actually broke his armor.

And the last worthwhile thing Tenshinhan did with his own power was to stop Cell or to deflect Majin Buu ki blast.

I wouldn't read into Piccolo's post-training battle power too much. All he needs to be for it to work is stronger than the average Namekian.

Plus, he gets stronger at a much faster rate than the humans anyway if we take the Saiyan arc timeskip into consideration.

If the argument that Nails comment towards Piccolo was a suggestion that he was stronger than himself (and I haven't paid enough attention to see if that theory was proven or not) then Piccolo's growth rate in comparison to the Humans in the lead up to Vegeta and Nappa's arrival definitely is more supportive of the idea that the humans are stronger than most give them credit for after Kaio's training. Piccolo was on a level above the human fighters during the Saiyan arc, but he wasn't that far ahead of them.

That's true!

Of course, I understand that everyone has different battle powers lists and opinions on how fast characters' strengths can improve, since it's pretty much free game post-Freeza, when battle powers dropped off the map. I'm actually one of those people who think Piccolo post-Kaiou's training was stronger than Nail at the least, because Nail's "I don't know what kind of training you had" is basically the same as what Kuririn asks about Gokuu after he beats him at running, or what Kuririn says when he sees Piccolo beating #20, and in both those cases, the fighters he was talking about were stronger than him.

That kind of draws similarities to the "was Piccolo saying that Kaioushin was stronger than him, or just of a higher godly/otherworldly status?" debate, but let's not get into that now.

I think the same way.

[DBZGTKOSDH]

To be fair, we have no idea on how much stronger Goku or Piccolo, Yamcha, Tenshinhan & Chaozu got when they were running through the Serpentine Road. Goku run for 6 months I think, and the rest Z-Senshi run for 1 month. We know that the Serpentine Road is there for training, right? Maybe a big part of their power-up was thanks to that running, maybe Piccolo & co. got a bigger boost from that because they were stronger than Goku.

This argument doesn't work because COMMON SENSE<<< PLOT INDUCED POWER UPS.

But there's nothing in the plot that shows they got such a power up.

There is in the anime. Like it or not, filler are part of the anime, they do not separate. Of course, we have no clue how strong they got in the manga.

Not that I believe that they were as strong as the Ginyu Tokusentai, not yet at least. I'm still thinking this through.

[Saiga]

To be fair, we have no idea on how much stronger Goku or Piccolo, Yamcha, Tenshinhan & Chaozu got when they were running through the Serpentine Road. Goku run for 6 months I think, and the rest Z-Senshi run for 1 month. We know that the Serpentine Road is there for training, right? Maybe a big part of their power-up was thanks to that running, maybe Piccolo & co. got a bigger boost from that because they were stronger than Goku.

That doesn't make sense. If anything, they'd get a lower power up than Goku, because being stronger already means the training is easier for them and so not as beneficial. They were only on the road for 1/6th the time Goku was.

This argument doesn't work because COMMON SENSE<<< PLOT INDUCED POWER UPS.

But there's nothing in the plot that shows they got such a power up.

There is in the anime. Like it or not, filler are part of the anime, they do not separate. Of course, we have no clue how strong they got in the manga.

I'm only talking about the manga.

[MajinAsura]

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[Kaboom]

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