Is Tenshinhan considered human? Tenshinhan vs Kuririn

Mr.Piccolo · Post by **Mr.Piccolo** » Mon Oct 02, 2006 4:01 pm

Is it ever really mentioned that Goku's takeover on Earth was Freeza's intent? Also, what ever happened to the buyers of planet earth. After about 20 years, one would believe they would get very impatient.

Bura · Post by **Bura** » Mon Oct 02, 2006 4:07 pm

Mr.Piccolo wrote:Is it ever really mentioned that Goku's takeover on Earth was Freeza's intent? Also, what ever happened to the buyers of planet earth. After about 20 years, one would believe they would get very impatient.

Well, many Saiyajin babies were launched into space so I don't think Freeza knew where everyone was going exactly. I also do believe that the planet doesn't go up for sale before the original inhabitants are killed and the planet is taken over by the Saiyajin in question.

Olivier Hague · Post by **Olivier Hague** » Mon Oct 02, 2006 6:51 pm

Godo wrote:You made it hard when you wrote everything splitted apart.

Yeah. Sure.

If Dragonball wasn't that popular, and Toriyama still made the series as they look now, no Daizenshuu had been made to say that Tenshinhan is an alien and no videogames to "back it up" either.

If "Dragon Ball" hadn't been that popular, chances are it would have ended far earlier, and Gokû would have never been an alien either. 'Seems kinda pointless to go there.

It's like, I can give someone permission to write a sequel to one of my books, and I can bless the outcome, but still there may be some mistakes (factual errors).

So mistakes are factual errors after all? When did that change?

Mr.Piccolo · Post by **Mr.Piccolo** » Mon Oct 02, 2006 6:58 pm

Bura wrote:
Mr.Piccolo wrote:Is it ever really mentioned that Goku's takeover on Earth was Freeza's intent? Also, what ever happened to the buyers of planet earth. After about 20 years, one would believe they would get very impatient.
Well, many Saiyajin babies were launched into space so I don't think Freeza knew where everyone was going exactly. I also do believe that the planet doesn't go up for sale before the original inhabitants are killed and the planet is taken over by the Saiyajin in question.

But I'm sure Freeza would have to have known at least some sort of information about a planet that would be taken over, especially by the saiyans who he was cautious about (Well at least during Bardock's time,anyway).

Drunken Master · Post by **Drunken Master** » Mon Oct 02, 2006 7:22 pm

I can't see how anyone can compare the legitimacy of the Daizenshuu to the filler-filled Dragon Ball(Z) anime. It's just plain ridiculous.

Sorry, but you don't need written or said proof to show that Yamcha couldn't beat Reccome, because it's backed by common sense. It's filler, it doesn't have to make sense, and you don't have to have proof to negate it. Yamcha beat up Olibu (sp? On another note, who actually cares? He's filler!) and some other dude at the same time. Pikkon had to actually try a little to beat Olibu. Does that mean Yamcha is somehow pretty strong? Even though he didn't train for seven years and his power level should have dropped significantly? No. Yamcha is worth crap in the Buu saga, power-wise. He's still pretty cool otherwise.

Vegeta couldn't harm Reccome. Yamcha wasn't up there that long. There's NO WAY that Yamcha could have touched Reccome, and it isn't even debatable because it never happened. You don't use filler for debates, so why use it as backup to try to kill the Daizenshuu's legitimacy? It doesn't make much sense.

Casual Matt · Post by **Casual Matt** » Mon Oct 02, 2006 7:35 pm

Drunken Master wrote:I can't see how anyone can compare the legitimacy of the Daizenshuu to the filler-filled Dragon Ball(Z) anime. It's just plain ridiculous.

Sorry, but you don't need written or said proof to show that Yamcha couldn't beat Reccome, because it's backed by common sense. It's filler, it doesn't have to make sense, and you don't have to have proof to negate it. Yamcha beat up Olibu (sp? On another note, who actually cares? He's filler!) and some other dude at the same time. Paikuhan had to actually try a little to beat Olibu. Does that mean Yamcha is somehow pretty strong? Even though he didn't train for seven years and his power level should have dropped significantly? No. Yamcha is worth crap in the Buu saga, power-wise. He's still pretty cool otherwise.

Vegeta couldn't harm Reccome. Yamcha wasn't up there that long. There's NO WAY that Yamcha could have touched Reccome, and it isn't even debatable because it never happened. You don't use filler for debates, so why use it as backup to try to kill the Daizenshuu's legitimacy? It doesn't make much sense.

In my fanon, people get weaker when they go to filler Hell.

As for Yamcha beating Olibu... yeah, I'm going with the Olibu wasn't trying theory.

Yes, I like to try to explain filler because I'm more familiar with the anime.

Anonymous Friend · Post by **Anonymous Friend** » Mon Oct 02, 2006 9:26 pm

Kinda of topic ... but who is Olibu?

Mr. Announcer · Post by **Mr. Announcer** » Mon Oct 02, 2006 9:41 pm

Anonymous Friend wrote:Kinda of topic ... but who is Olibu?

The other fighter from earth that Gokuh meets at the filler-tastic Other World Tournament. He's at least 10 feet tall, doesn't wear pants, and has long flowing golden locks. Seriously though, I actually liked that arc.

Mr.Piccolo · Post by **Mr.Piccolo** » Mon Oct 02, 2006 9:46 pm

Kinda of topic ... but who is Olibu?

My first picture post..!

IMO, they recycled No.16's character design. What anime characters looking alike..!

Casual Matt · Post by **Casual Matt** » Mon Oct 02, 2006 10:02 pm

In other words, he's freaking Hercules.

... Wait, holy crap, he does look like #16.

Anonymous Friend · Post by **Anonymous Friend** » Mon Oct 02, 2006 11:50 pm

and someone actually says that Yamcha can take him??

um, i don't think so ... Tenshinhan, maybe

kinoko · Post by **kinoko** » Tue Oct 03, 2006 12:00 am

(Hey, Bura! ^^)

Random question: Do power levels actually drop if you stop training for a while, or do they become "stagnant?"

Wow, I completely don't remember Olibu at all... ><

Er, where exactly are we in the discussion?

Rocketman · Post by **Rocketman** » Tue Oct 03, 2006 12:01 am

kinoko wrote:(Hey, Bura! ^^)

Random question: Do power levels actually drop if you stop training for a while, or do they become "stagnant?"

They drop severely.

kinoko · Post by **kinoko** » Tue Oct 03, 2006 12:15 am

Rocketman wrote: They drop severely.

Ah, ok! Thanks. ^^ +is such a bad fan+ I don't doubt you at all, but I am interested where it's said in the series?

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I think the shift toward sci-fi elements in the latter half of DB is very interesting. We know Mr. Toriyama was asked by his editors to continue writing DB, and in an article about the domestic Shonen Jump Launch party at Chelsea Piers (it was in the March 2003 issue of SJ,) Toriyama was answer to if he'll ever create more DB was that "10 ten years really was my limit," and even at the three-year mark he was beginning to push it.

Aliens is a fun way to explain Son Goku's tail, and Piccolo's origins (tied in with the Dragon Balls themselves,) while diverging from the story's root in The Journey to the West. But, early on was Piccolo Daimaou based on Eastern mythology of demons?

Does early DB + Dr. Slump wacky style = characters with odd characteristics (such as, three-eyes)

(I hope I don't sound as brain-farted as I feel... If my post doesn't make sense, please forgive me.. XD;;;)

Godo · Post by **Godo** » Tue Oct 03, 2006 12:42 am

You all talk against me because of that you are angry because you know that I am always right. That's the only reason.

Drunken Master · Post by **Drunken Master** » Tue Oct 03, 2006 1:25 am

Godo wrote:You all talk against me because of that you are angry because you know that I am always right. That's the only reason.

I don't understand that statement, but it seems like you're trying to say that your always right...

Godo wrote:Well, I think that Vegeta and Nappa probably made some
research about the Dragonballs before starting to look for them. That sounds logical as Vegeta (not Nappa) seem to be a smart guy.
Vegeta probably found out the location of planet Namek, the strenght of the people there, the dragonballs and the quantity of the population as a plan B. So that's how they knew what Piccolo was.
Their primary objectives were to have revenge on Radditz, and punish Goku for his foolishness. Then, as a plus, they could get immortal and kill Freezer.

Vegeta isn't smart. Also, Vegeta nor Nappa gave a damn about Raditz death. Also, even if they became immortal, it would mean nothing. They couldn't be killed, but there's no way that they could kill Freeza. Infact, Freeza would make Vegeta and Nappa welcome death by beating them senseless. Freeza would have enjoyed that a little too much. More than caressing his dragon balls.

Bura · Post by **Bura** » Tue Oct 03, 2006 3:36 am

Mr.Piccolo wrote:
Bura wrote:
Mr.Piccolo wrote:Is it ever really mentioned that Goku's takeover on Earth was Freeza's intent? Also, what ever happened to the buyers of planet earth. After about 20 years, one would believe they would get very impatient.
Well, many Saiyajin babies were launched into space so I don't think Freeza knew where everyone was going exactly. I also do believe that the planet doesn't go up for sale before the original inhabitants are killed and the planet is taken over by the Saiyajin in question.
But I'm sure Freeza would have to have known at least some sort of information about a planet that would be taken over, especially by the saiyans who he was cautious about (Well at least during Bardock's time,anyway).

We're talking about the babies here. I don't think Freeza cared too much for them, because he would've gone after them when he destroyed planet Vegeta and killed all the Saiyajin. It could even be that Freeza simply forgot about them. Remember, it was Raditz(Goku's brother, so he knew of his existence) that had come looking for Goku, not Freeza or one of his henchmen.

kinoko wrote:(Hey, Bura! ^^)

Hey there.

Victator Supreme · Post by **Victator Supreme** » Tue Oct 03, 2006 3:37 am

Vegeta isn't smart. Also, Vegeta nor Nappa gave a damn about Raditz death. Also, even if they became immortal, it would mean nothing. They couldn't be killed, but there's no way that they could kill Freeza. Infact, Freeza would make Vegeta and Nappa welcome death by beating them senseless. Freeza would have enjoyed that a little too much. More than caressing his dragon balls.

Vegeta was smart. A sadistic, arrogant ass, but still intelligent.

To paraphrase Vegeta about becoming immortal "I'll beat you Freeza. I'll wear you down and eventually I'll become stronger than you."

Godo · Post by **Godo** » Tue Oct 03, 2006 7:01 am

Victator Supreme wrote:
Vegeta isn't smart. Also, Vegeta nor Nappa gave a damn about Raditz death. Also, even if they became immortal, it would mean nothing. They couldn't be killed, but there's no way that they could kill Freeza. Infact, Freeza would make Vegeta and Nappa welcome death by beating them senseless. Freeza would have enjoyed that a little too much. More than caressing his dragon balls.
Vegeta was smart. A sadistic, arrogant ass, but still intelligent.

To paraphrase Vegeta about becoming immortal "I'll beat you Freeza. I'll wear you down and eventually I'll become stronger than you."

Precisely my point. Agreed.

Rocketman · Post by **Rocketman** » Tue Oct 03, 2006 10:39 am

kinoko wrote:
Rocketman wrote: They drop severely.
Ah, ok! Thanks. ^^ +is such a bad fan+ I don't doubt you at all, but I am interested where it's said in the series?

Gohan in the Buu Saga is stated several times to be much weaker than his Cell Games self, since he sat on his ass for seven years.

Vegeta isn't smart.

Maybe not genius smart, but he's quite clever, especially on Namek.

Also, even if they became immortal, it would mean nothing. They couldn't be killed, but there's no way that they could kill Freeza. Infact, Freeza would make Vegeta and Nappa welcome death by beating them senseless. Freeza would have enjoyed that a little too much. More than caressing his dragon balls.

The Zenkai is what Vegeta was counting on. Vegeta figured Freeza would beat him down several times, but with the huge Zenkais he'd be getting from those beatdowns, Vegeta would eventually become stronger.