The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

[Diotor]

Comic book level is pretty tough, actually:

Ronan has superhuman strength, endurance, speed and reflexes, which are enhanced by devices in his suit of full-body exoskeleton armor. Ronan's armor can also create fields of invisibility, and his gauntlets can generate sufficient coldness to place certain life forms into a state of suspended animation. Ronan possesses a weapon called the "Universal Weapon"; at its wielder's will, this device uses cosmic energy for a variety of effects, including the disintegration, rearrangement, or transmutation of matter; projection of concussive energy blasts; absorption of energy; control over gravity; creation of force fields and "time-motion displacement fields"; and interstellar teleportation along hyperspatial passages. Ronan is a highly skilled soldier and a military genius with Kree military combat training.

Transmutation of matter, gravity control, teleporation and cryokinesis enabling gloves would be difficult for most of the Z-Senshi to deal with and Thanos would absolutely stomp all over Ronan.

Of couse, GOTG film Ronan is nowhere near that level.

[Angelus]

21st WMAT Great Ape Goku VS Old King Piccolo (No tail cutting or grabbing)

Great Ape Gohan (start of Z) VS Nappa (No tail cutting or grabbing))

Saibaman VS Saiyan Saga Yajirobe (no sword)

Imperfect Cell (post-absorptions) VS Android 17, 18, 19, 20, and Future Android 17 and 18 (Cell won't attempt to absorb them)

Super Android 13 VS Android 16

Immortal Garlic Jr (same power except not being actually immortal/unkillable) VS Vegeta (post-Dende healing)

Jaco VS Mercenary Tao

Mr. Popo VS Korin, Youthful King Piccolo, Cyborg Tao, Crane Hermit, Spike the Devilman, Bandages the Mummy, Fangs the Vampire, Invisible Man

23rd WMAT Chi Chi VS Drum, Tambourine, Cymbal

Bora VS Nam and Giran

Final Form Frieza (No blowing up of planets) VS End of Z Base Goku, Vegeta, Goten, Trunks, Krillin, Yamcha, Yajirobe, Chiaotzu, Tien (no tri-beam), Cell Games Base Gohan and Future Trunks, With control Great Apes Raditz, Nappa, Bardock and his team with King Vegeta

[dbzfan7]

21st WMAT Great Ape Goku VS Old King Piccolo (No tail cutting or grabbing)

Great Ape Gohan (start of Z) VS Nappa (No tail cutting or grabbing))

Saibaman VS Saiyan Saga Yajirobe (no sword)

Imperfect Cell (post-absorptions) VS Android 17, 18, 19, 20, and Future Android 17 and 18 (Cell won't attempt to absorb them)

Super Android 13 VS Android 16

Immortal Garlic Jr (same power except not being actually immortal/unkillable) VS Vegeta (post-Dende healing)

Jaco VS Mercenary Tao

Mr. Popo VS Karin, Youthful King Piccolo, Cyborg Tao, Crane Hermit, Spike the Devilman, Bandages the Mummy, Fangs the Vampire, Invisible Man

23rd WMAT Chi Chi VS Drum, Tambourine, Cymbal

Bora VS Nam and Giran

Final Form Freeza (No blowing up of planets) VS End of Z Base Goku, Vegeta, Goten, Trunks, Krillin, Yamcha, Yajirobe, Chiaotzu, Tenshinhan (no tri-beam), Cell Games Base Gohan and Future Trunks, With control Great Apes Raditz, Nappa, Bardock and his team with King Vegeta

I'd say Goku cause he probably at least tripled his power from training or more, so he'd be too strong for Daimao to kill as an Oozaru.

Nappa moon busts then kills Gohan.

I think the Saibaman may be too strong for him.

Cell demolishes them all. He pretty much owned 17 and Piccolo with no trouble, so more weaklings won't help.

16 was called the strongest Android of Gero's in the Daizenshuu, so he wins.

I think Vegeta can take this. I see Garlic around second form Freeza.

I dunno, I didn't really follow Jaco. I guess Tao Pai Pai as Jaco can only beat saiyan children...I dunno maybe Jaco has good feats I missed. He could blow up the world with one button I suppose.

Mr. Popo. He's in a whole other league from Goku who beat Young Daimao so I think he'd own the rest of them just as easy.

I think Chi Chi goes down...but I don't know how she scales.

I think Bora may have this. Dude is really strong and resists gunfire without trouble.

I think the team takes this. They could overwhelm him and have several techniques that could kill him.

[Mr.Judge]

1. Can roshi escape a black hole?
2. Considering thor has been able to physically hurt galactus with his strikes, yes he should be able to bonk their heads off (IF and I mean IF he could hit them, and
3. he HAS thrown mjolnir to the end if the galaxy before I believe)

1. hulk fights with thor disagrees with fictional black-hole stupidity. roshi with dbz space ship can escape because anything above light speed can escape black hole in comics. you are using the plot device of travel speed which in only meant to cover the vast distances of space getting from point a to point b which are separated by space and hyperspace. thor will need vast distance between roshi and himself and roshi should be in space because hyperspace in marvel exists outside earth atmosphere, prep time to start swinging hammer and roshi should be unaware. considering these fights are close quarters, thor is basically a statue much like hulk is for master roshi. but roshi will not beat thor and thor will never tag roshi.

2. also you are generalizing the character galactus and using particular instance of hungry galactus . SSJ2 Cell games gohan slap to thor face is more than enough to separate thor's head from his body.

3.the detailed scans which show thor threw mjolnir around galaxy and the context behind those thor fan edited scans.it was classic donald blake thor who depended on mjolnir which thor fans abuse to show he is in same league as superman.

the context is thor is trying to rid himself of mjolnir . he throws the mjolnir so it wont return. he is basically trying to rid himself and cursing his father odin in the process.

Spoiler:

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the following scan is very important as it explains mjolnir will take some time to travel galaxy before it reaches him which is more than enough for him to commit suicide and if thor is separated from mjolnir for than sixty seconds he will turn into donald blake and die in the process. he is trying to commit suicide and but odin wont allow.

Spoiler:

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thor is scared of death.

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thor is so scared of death that he clings onto what he despises the most

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[Hellspawn28]

Garlic Jr lasted long in his own saga due to his immortality from what I can remember. I remember in DBZ Movie 1, both Goku and Piccolo didn't have much a issue taking him down. I always believe that he is weaker then Radditz. So Vegeta wins via knock out.

[Angelus]

Yeah but his "immortal form" was more powerful, being able to keep up with post-Nail fusion Piccolo.

And here's the rest:

21st WMAT Great Ape Goku VS Old King Piccolo (No tail cutting or grabbing)

Great Ape Gohan (start of Z) VS Nappa (No tail cutting or grabbing))

Saibaman VS Saiyan Saga Yajirobe (no sword)

Imperfect Cell (post-absorptions) VS Android 17, 18, 19, 20, and Future Android 17 and 18 (Cell won't attempt to absorb them)

Super Android 13 VS Android 16

Immortal Garlic Jr (same power except not being actually immortal/unkillable) VS Vegeta (post-Dende healing)

Jaco VS Mercenary Tao

Mr. Popo VS Karin, Youthful King Piccolo, Cyborg Tao, Crane Hermit, Spike the Devilman, Bandages the Mummy, Fangs the Vampire, Invisible Man

23rd WMAT Chi Chi VS Drum, Tambourine, Cymbal

Bora VS Nam and Giran

Final Form Freeza (No blowing up of planets) VS End of Z Base Goku, Vegeta, Goten, Trunks, Krillin, Yamcha, Yajirobe, Chiaotzu, Tenshinhan (no tri-beam), Cell Games Base Gohan and Future Trunks, With control Great Apes Raditz, Nappa, Bardock and his team with King Vegeta

[Diotor]

Saibaman VS Saiyan Saga Yajirobe (no sword)

Yajirobe is below Yamcha at this point, so the Saibaman takes this one.

23rd WMAT Chi Chi VS Drum, Tambourine, Cymbal

I think Chi-Chi loses this one pretty easily.

[Dbzk1999]

1. Can roshi escape a black hole?
2. Considering thor has been able to physically hurt galactus with his strikes, yes he should be able to bonk their heads off (IF and I mean IF he could hit them, and
3. he HAS thrown mjolnir to the end if the galaxy before I believe)

1. hulk fights with thor disagrees with fictional black-hole stupidity. roshi with dbz space ship can escape because anything above light speed can escape black hole in comics. you are using the plot device of travel speed which in only meant to cover the vast distances of space getting from point a to point b which are separated by space and hyperspace. thor will need vast distance between roshi and himself and roshi should be in space because hyperspace in marvel exists outside earth atmosphere, prep time to start swinging hammer and roshi should be unaware. considering these fights are close quarters, thor is basically a statue much like hulk is for master roshi. but roshi will not beat thor and thor will never tag roshi.

2. also you are generalizing the character galactus and using particular instance of hungry galactus . SSJ2 Cell games gohan slap to thor face is more than enough to separate thor's head from his body.
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1. Now let's talk WITHOUT a space ship, anyways my point isn't that thor himself can hit roshi, it's that his hammer most likely can,
2. No I'm not generalizing galactus. I already know that he was hungry, that DOESN'T mean that galactus is weak when he's hungry (only when he's starving, on the VERY brink o death, does he get really weak)

[singsing]

Yeah but his "immortal form" was more powerful, being able to keep up with post-Nail fusion Piccolo.

No, that was because of the Makyo Star. Otherwise he's still weak as balls.

[Hellspawn28]

Another what if universe idea; what if Goku never badly hurt during his fight with Oozaru Vegeta. How far does Goku get through against the Namek villains (He fights one at a time)? Goku would be on the same space ship as Bluma, Gohan and Krillin. I would imagine he would a bit stronger then he was against Nappa and Vegeta.

- Appule
- Cui
- Dodoria
- Zarbon
- Zarbon (Post-Transformation)
- Guldo
- Recoome

I think he would make it up to Recoome.

[singsing]

Another what if universe idea; what if Goku never badly hurt during his fight with Oozaru Vegeta. How far does Goku get through against the Namek villains (He fights one at a time)? Goku would be on the same space ship as Bluma, Gohan and Krillin. I would imagine he would a bit stronger then he was against Nappa and Vegeta.

- Appule
- Cui
- Dodoria
- Zarbon
- Zarbon (Post-Transformation)
- Guldo
- Recoome

I think he would make it up to Recoome.

Wouldn't there be no gravity chamber for him to train in then? He probably wouldn't even make it past Zarbon, depending on how drastic his zenkai would be. Then again, if that was how the plot went then he'd probably get that 11x zenkai to make himself 90k anyways, and some inexplicable body enhancement to take 20x KK.

[Angelus]

ASSJ Vegeta VS USSJ Future Trunks.
Both post-first day ROSAT of course. USSJ Future Trunks couldn't hit Perfect Cell but Perfect Cell was much more powerful than ASSJ Vegeta.

Cell Jr. VS USSJ Future Trunks (post-2nd day ROSAT)
No anime feats.

Cell Games Krillin VS Recoome, Jeice, Burter, transformed Zarbon, Dodoria, Cui, Nappa, and Guldo (no time stop)
No anime feats.

End of Z Chiaotzu VS Great Ape Bardock (No tail grabbing or cutting)

End of Z Tien, Krillin, Yamcha, Chiaotzu VS Base Kid Goten (post-ROSAT, Buu Saga)

Raditz VS End of Z Yajirobe (No sword)

Youthful King Piccolo VS Korin, 23rd WMAT Chi Chi, 21st WMAT Goku, 22nd WMAT Tien, Chioatzu, Yamcha, Roshi, Bora, Crane Hermit, Bandages the Mummy, Fangs the Vampire, Invisible Man, Yajirobe (first appearance; with sword)

22nd WMAT Tien, Roshi, Chioatzu, Krillin, Crane Hermit VS Drum

Saibaman VS Mr. Popo, Kami, and Korin
Hey, Goku and Piccolo managed to kill Raditz

King Kai (with Kaoiken) VS Nappa

Raditz VS Saiyan Saga Chiaotzu

[KentalSSJ6]

SSJ3 Goten and/or Trunks VS SP Cell.

[TheGmGoken]

SSJ3 Goten and/or Trunks VS SP Cell.

Are Goten or Trunks alive? Do SSJ3 have strain?

I have Goten and Trunks barely under SPC as SSJ2. So SSJ3 dominates. HOWEVER Cell has the last laugh and kills Goten. Why? Regeneration. Once SSJ3 energy run out and Goten(or Trunks) fail to kill Cell fully, Cell takes advantage.

Who wins fight?
Goten

Who wins war?
Cell

[Polyphase Avatron]

Okay, I've got a new one. Say that, hypothetically, when fighting Goku on Earth, Vegeta learned how to copy the Kaio-Ken, and can use it up to 4x. Now how would the battle against the Ginyu Force go differently on Namek if Vegeta could use it?

[KentalSSJ6]

Okay, I've got a new one. Say that, hypothetically, when fighting Goku on Earth, Vegeta learned how to copy the Kaio-Ken, and can use it up to 4x. Now how would the battle against the Ginyu Force go differently on Namek if Vegeta could use it?

Vegeta was what, around 24-25 thousand when he got on Namek?

Kaio-ken X4 would put him at 96 thousand. He thrashes everyone who isnt Ginyu then Ginyu likely swaps bodies with him. He may defeat Ginyu if he plays it smart with Gohan and Krillin but otherwise he more than likely loses when Ginyu swaps bodies.

[dbzfan7]

ASSJ Vegeta VS USSJ Future Trunks.
Both post-first day ROSAT of course. USSJ Future Trunks couldn't hit Perfect Cell but Perfect Cell was much more powerful than ASSJ Vegeta.

Cell Jr. VS USSJ Future Trunks (post-2nd day ROSAT)
No anime feats.

Cell Games Krillin VS Recoome, Jeice, Burter, transformed Zarbon, Dodoria, Cui, Nappa, and Guldo (no time stop)
No anime feats.

End of Z Chiaotzu VS Great Ape Bardock (No tail grabbing or cutting)

End of Z Tenshinhan, Krillin, Yamcha, Chiaotzu VS Base Kid Goten (post-ROSAT, Buu Saga)

Raditz VS End of Z Yajirobe (No sword)

Youthful King Piccolo VS Karin, 23rd WMAT Chi Chi, 21st WMAT Goku, 22nd WMAT Tenshinhan, Chioatzu, Yamcha, Roshi, Bora, Crane Hermit, Bandages the Mummy, Fangs the Vampire, Invisible Man, Yajirobe (first appearance; with sword)

22nd WMAT Tenshinhan, Roshi, Chioatzu, Krillin, Crane Hermit VS Drum

Saibaman VS Mr. Popo, Kami, and Karin
Hey, Goku and Piccolo managed to kill Raditz

King Kai (with Kaoiken) VS Nappa

Raditz VS Saiyan Saga Chiaotzu

Vegeta I think is too fast, and I think Trunks would just waste his energy before he could put down Vegeta.

Cell Jr. no problem.

Krillin should take this I think whether I go by low or high ball levels.

Bardock I'd say cause Chaozu hasn't done any notable training or any worth while knowing gains.

Goten easily. Only a Kienzan could save them.

I may be odd, but I for some reason think Yajirobe.

Piccolo Daimao shouldn't have a problem.

Drum since if Tenshinhan has a really hard time following him, then so would the others, but worse.

Saibaman most likely. Also the only reason they beat Raditz was because of tail weakness (Which could have given them the win) and Gohan interference.

Kaio wins if he can pull off the Kaioken.

Raditz, but Chaozu if he can psychic grab Raditz's tail.

[Diotor]

Okay, I've got a new one. Say that, hypothetically, when fighting Goku on Earth, Vegeta learned how to copy the Kaio-Ken, and can use it up to 4x. Now how would the battle against the Ginyu Force go differently on Namek if Vegeta could use it?

He absolutely wrecks Burter, Jayce and Recoome but then runs into the brick wall of Captain Ginyu. He'd need x5 or x6 to gett past him.

Cell Games Krillin VS Recoome, Jeice, Burter, transformed Zarbon, Dodoria, Cui, Nappa, and Guldo

Krillin would absolutely trash them.

[KentalSSJ6]

Yeah Krillin is very likely within the hundreds of thousands by the Cell Games. Id likely put him at 140-150 thousand by the Cell Games.

[Angelus]

End of Z Chiaotzu VS Recoome