The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

[Galan007]

End of Z Chiaotzu VS Recoome

Recoome wins easily.

Chiaotzu's PL was 610 during the Saiyan saga. Recoome's PL was logically around the 40,000 mark. I doubt Chiaotzu's PL increased by upwards of 65x by the end of Z.

[Diotor]

End of Z Chiaotzu VS Recoome

Recoome wins easily.

Chiaotzu's PL was 610 during the Saiyan saga. Recoome's PL was logically around the 40,000 mark. I doubt Chiaotzu's PL increased by upwards of 65x by the end of Z.

I think you can make a reasonable case for Chaiotzu being around 10,000-15,000 but anything above that considering how superfluous to the plot he became post Vegeta/Nappa?

Either way I agree, Recoome could one shot him.

[SSJ God Gogeta]

End of Z Chiaotzu VS Recoome

Chiaotzu dies, just like before.

[Angelus]

Damn. Chiaotzu is that weak? Dafuq

Dodoria at least? Chiaotzu could kill her, right?

and..

Mystic Gohan VS Super Buu (absorbed SSJ2 Gotenks and Piccolo)

Mystic Gohan VS SSJ3 Gotenks and Super Buu (Piccolo absorbed)

[Galan007]

Damn. Chiaotzu is that weak? Dafuq

Dodoria at least? Chiaotzu could kill her, right?

and..

Mystic Gohan VS Super Buu (absorbed SSJ2 Gotenks and Piccolo)

Mystic Gohan VS SSJ3 Gotenks and Super Buu (Piccolo absorbed)

Tbh, I doubt that Chiaotzu even became strong enough to defeat Dodoria, who had a PL of 22,000. That still means his PL would've had to increase by roughly 36x between the Saiyan saga and EoZ, just to stand a chance. /shrug

Hard to say how powerful a 'SSJ2 Buutenks' would be. I'd like to think that Mystic Gohan could hold his own long enough for the fusion to wear off, though.

Gohan wins. He made Super Buu look like a weak feeb in comparison. Adding another Super Buu-level opponent(SSJ3 Gotenks) isn't enough to change that outcome, imo.

[ZombieVito]

Now I feel silly having EoZ Chaoz at 500,000.

[Angelus]

Cell Games Goku VS 25th WMAT Gohan

Initial Buff Perfect Cell (the buff form he showed against USSJ Future Trunks) VS Cell Games Piccolo

[Hellspawn28]

End of Z Chiaotzu VS Recoome

Chiaoztu at the end of DBZ would barely beat Nappa. Recoome would stomp him into the ground.

[Galan007]

Cell Games Goku VS 25th WMAT Gohan

Initial Buff Perfect Cell (the buff form he showed against USSJ Future Trunks) VS Cell Games Piccolo

Even though Gohan was much weaker during the 25th WMAT then he was during the Cell Games, his SSJ2 state *should* still be>FPSSJ Goku.

It's hard to say how strong Piccolo had become after training in the RoSaT, but even IF he was around ASSJ Vegeta's level, there was still an utterly insurmountable difference in power between he and Perfect Cell. That said, I think 'USSJ' Cell would still trounce Piccolo--speed reduction be damned.

[RandomGuy96]

Cell Games Goku VS 25th WMAT Gohan

Initial Buff Perfect Cell (the buff form he showed against USSJ Future Trunks) VS Cell Games Piccolo

Gohan stomps his father into the dirt with just his regular Super Saiyan 1 power.

Piccolo can't hurt Cell, and I don't think the speed decrease would actually be enough for Piccolo to gain any kind of advantage. Cell one-shots.

[Angelus]

Even though Gohan was much weaker during the 25th WMAT then he was during the Cell Games, his SSJ2 state *should* still be>FPSSJ Goku.

Sorry, I didn't specify. I meant Cell Games SSJ Goku VS 25th WMAT SSJ Gohan (who was "weaker" than his SSJ Cell Games self)

[Galan007]

Even though Gohan was much weaker during the 25th WMAT then he was during the Cell Games, his SSJ2 state *should* still be>FPSSJ Goku.

Sorry, I didn't specify. I meant Cell Games SSJ Goku VS 25th WMAT SSJ Gohan (who was "weaker" than his SSJ Cell Games self)

And another:

Cell Games SSJ2 Gohan VS Full Power Perfect Cell, Dabura (no spitting), Full Power Bojack, Final Form Hatchiyack, Movie 8 LSSJ Broly, culture fluid Bio-Broly

Goku wins without question, then. FPSSJ Goku(Cell Games)~FPSSJ Gohan(Cell Games)>>FPSSJ Gohan(25th WMAT).

Assuming you're not referring to Super-Perfect Cell, then Gohan wins. This wouldn't be much more difficult then when he slew the Cell Juniors, imo.

[RandomGuy96]

FPSSJ Goku(Cell Games)~FPSSJ Gohan(Cell Games)

Incorrect. Cell Games Goku is absolute garbage to Cell Games Gohan. Suppressed Cell was beating the shit out of Goku, and he couldn't even lay a finger on Gohan without powering up.

[Kamiccolo9]

Even though Gohan was much weaker during the 25th WMAT then he was during the Cell Games, his SSJ2 state *should* still be>FPSSJ Goku.

Sorry, I didn't specify. I meant Cell Games SSJ Goku VS 25th WMAT SSJ Gohan (who was "weaker" than his SSJ Cell Games self)

Goku wins without question, then.

FPSSJ Goku(Cell Games)~FPSSJ Gohan(Cell Games)>>FPSSJ Gohan(25th WMAT).

SSJ Gohan was waaaaay stronger than SSJ Goku at the Cell Games.

[Angelus]

EDIT......

[Galan007]

FPSSJ Goku(Cell Games)~FPSSJ Gohan(Cell Games)

Incorrect. Cell Games Goku is absolute garbage to Cell Games Gohan. Suppressed Cell was beating the shit out of Goku, and he couldn't even lay a finger on Gohan without powering up.

Huh? When did Cell 'power up' against SSJ Gohan? I remember Gohan hitting Cell like once or twice(which caused minimal damage)--but Cell still trounced SSJ Gohan with seeming ease. It wasn't until Gohan reached SSJ2 that Cell fully powered up.

[Saiga]

There's also a guidebook (though an anime-related one) that says SS1 Gohan had power surpassing Cell's.

[RandomGuy96]

FPSSJ Goku(Cell Games)~FPSSJ Gohan(Cell Games)

Incorrect. Cell Games Goku is absolute garbage to Cell Games Gohan. Suppressed Cell was beating the shit out of Goku, and he couldn't even lay a finger on Gohan without powering up.

Huh? When did Cell 'power up' against SSJ Gohan? I remember Gohan hitting Cell like once or twice(which caused minimal damage)--but Cell still trounced SSJ Gohan with seeming ease. It wasn't until Gohan reached SSJ2 that Cell fully powered up.

After Cell gets mad that the power that he stomped Goku with isn't enough to even touch Gohan, he decides to use his true speed. This is enough to make him quicker than Gohan, and finally lets him beat on Gohan. However, it isn't enough to completely blitz him, as Gohan shows that he can still dodge Cell's attacks and land a hit when he really wants to.

Chapter: 404 (DBZ 210), P6.4
Cell: “You’re a quick little brat…! How about I go all-out, in speed at least?”

Also, after Cell uses his true speed to hit Gohan, Goku and Krillin both point out that Cell's attacks aren't actually doing a damn thing to Gohan, to Cell's own shock:

Chapter: 404 (DBZ 210), P12.6-7
Goku: “Don’t panic, Piccolo. Gohan’s ki hasn’t fallen one bit, has it?”
Kuririn: “Ah…It-it’s true…!”

Chapter: 404 (DBZ 210), P14.2
Context: after Gohan isn’t fazed much by Cell’s attack
Cell: “..Well, this is a surprise…You’re exceptionally tough, aren’t you?…”

Finally, the only time in the entire fight Gohan decides to actually fight back, he immediately kicks Cell in the face, which knocks him down, stuns him for several seconds, and leaves him bleeding on the floor. Note that, throughout all these events, Cell has the same power as he did when he easily defeated Goku, and far more speed.

There's also a guidebook (though an anime-related one) that says SS1 Gohan had power surpassing Cell's.

That can't be the case for full power Cell. What book was that?

[Saiga]

There's also a guidebook (though an anime-related one) that says SS1 Gohan had power surpassing Cell's.

That can't be the case for full power Cell. What book was that?

This one. Yeah, likely wasn't full power Cell, given the context (Gohan refusing to fight Cell, accompanied by a picture of Cell hugging him).

Though possessing power surpassing Cell, his gentle heart shied away from battle!

[Galan007]

After Cell gets mad that the power that he stomped Goku with isn't enough to even touch Gohan, he decides to use his true speed. This is enough to make him quicker than Gohan, and finally lets him beat on Gohan. However, it isn't enough to completely blitz him, as Gohan shows that he can still dodge Cell's attacks and land a hit when he really wants to.

Chapter: 404 (DBZ 210), P6.4
Cell: “You’re a quick little brat…! How about I go all-out, in speed at least?”

Also, after Cell uses his true speed to hit Gohan, Goku and Krillin both point out that Cell's attacks aren't actually doing a damn thing to Gohan, to Cell's own shock:

Chapter: 404 (DBZ 210), P12.6-7
Goku: “Don’t panic, Piccolo. Gohan’s ki hasn’t fallen one bit, has it?”
Kuririn: “Ah…It-it’s true…!”

Chapter: 404 (DBZ 210), P14.2
Context: after Gohan isn’t fazed much by Cell’s attack
Cell: “..Well, this is a surprise…You’re exceptionally tough, aren’t you?…”

Finally, the only time in the entire fight Gohan decides to actually fight back, he immediately kicks Cell in the face, which knocks him down, stuns him for several seconds, and leaves him bleeding on the floor. Note that, throughout all these events, Cell has the same power as he did when he easily defeated Goku, and far more speed.

...But Cell was still suppressed against SSJ Gohan, so we know that wasn't *really* his "true speed." More accurately: that was the "true speed" of his suppressed state.

The only time Cell powered up at all during he and Gohan's initial fight, was just after Goku gave him a Senzu bean--but this was still before Gohan himself had powered up, thus Cell didn't yet know how much power he wielded(so he may have still been hugely suppressed.) Conversely, during his fight with Goku, Cell let him power up first --which enabled him to see how much power Goku wielded-- and then proceeded to power himself up accordingly. I think Cell was surprised that Gohan --a young boy-- was able to generate as much power as he did, but it wasn't so much power that Gohan remotely rivaled Cell himself(he only landed like 2 or 3 hits, right?) Heck, if we're going by 'hits landed', Goku>>>Gohan. /shrug

Regardless, I could agree with the notion that SSJ Gohan was more powerful than SSJ Goku, but I don't think the difference was as significant as some believe, otherwise we'd of seen explicit statements to that effect from either Cell or the Z fighters(or both)--but we didn't. There were only a few ambiguous implications from the aforementioned parties which alluded to Gohan being around Goku's level(or perhaps *slightly* more powerful.) IMHO.

I always enjoy discussing this stuff with you, though. You make me think.