"Fukkatsu no F" subforum?

[The Tori-bot]

So, all discussion for Battle of Gods was relegated to one thread. For me, it was kind of impossible to keep track of and follow the different discussions that were going on. If there was something I wanted to know about a specific aspect of the movie or a line of discussion I wanted to jump into my only option was to go through hundreds and hundreds of pages looking for it - so I didn't. Ain't nobody got time fo' dat. Topics from Super Saiyan God to Beerus and Whis all the way to minutiae like dialogue and home releases, IMO all deserving of their own full-blooded topics, were all stuffed into one ginormous thread.

What I'm getting at is that it seems weird to me that something as huge as a new theatrical movie for the franchise, from the pen of the original author (more or less) only has one thread dedicated to it. It's like relegating all discussion of Kai to one thread. And hey, Kai got a subforum! Why that and not the movies, which bring so much more actual new content and potential discussions to the table than Kai could ever dream of? A single thread, which is posted in so often as to make catching up a bit of a chore, severely limits things in my view. With a subforum, for movie-specific discussions, folks could pick and choose topics that interest them without having to wade through all the crap that doesn't, as well as ensure everyone contributes to the topics they want to contribute to.

A Doctor Who forum I frequent has a subforum put up for each new episode as it airs, which after a while is moved from the main forum and archived (but still allows people to post in them). That's basically what I'm suggesting here. I also extend it to any Episode of Bardock or Jaco-like things we may get in the future: substantial new pieces of Dragon Ball content that could maybe do with a little more love in the forum department. Would anyone else be up for a system like this? Yay? Nay? ? ?

[DragonBoxZTheMovies]

I actually put forward the idea when the movie was first announced, but I believe the concern was that we'd end up with too many repeated threads.

Original post for reference:

Actually, can I just make a quick suggestion; what would people think about a sub-forum for this movie? Perhaps when news really starts leaking all over the place, just because the old BOG thread ended up being so massive.

We'll just wind up with a lot of repetitive threads. I think a single one makes it easier to watch the evolution of the fan reaction and release of news.

I still like the idea though, and I feel like it's not too late to start one up. We don't even have a trailer yet. That in itself would warrant its own thread, in my opinion. Then we could also have separate ones for merchandise and promotions, the home release, box office numbers, in-universe discussions directly related to the film, etc. I remember the Simpsons forum, NoHomers had a sub-forum for the movie as well.

Heck, if a third movie roles around, we can also throw it into the existing sub-forum.

[Chuquita]

I'm actually subscribed to the F thread and have been able to follow it on my phone when I'm away from home pretty easily. When you subscribe to a thread and it updates, you get emailed a link that drops you down where you left off so there's no need to endlessly refresh the page like I did for BOG. Following the one thread is easier for me than to follow an entire subforum, but if there was enough support for the subforum I wouldn't be opposed to its creation.

[DragonBoxZTheMovies]

I'm actually subscribed to the F thread and have been able to follow it on my phone when I'm away from home pretty easily. When you subscribe to a thread and it updates, you get emailed a link that drops you down where you left off so there's no need to endlessly refresh the page like I did for BOG. Following the one thread is easier for me than to follow an entire subforum, but if there was enough support for the subforum I wouldn't be opposed to its creation.

Yeah, but the problem of having to wade through pages of pages discussion regarding power levels and canon debates still remains.

I think the creation of a thread purely for fan theories would be a nice addition also.

[Chuquita]

I'm actually subscribed to the F thread and have been able to follow it on my phone when I'm away from home pretty easily. When you subscribe to a thread and it updates, you get emailed a link that drops you down where you left off so there's no need to endlessly refresh the page like I did for BOG. Following the one thread is easier for me than to follow an entire subforum, but if there was enough support for the subforum I wouldn't be opposed to its creation.

Yeah, but the problem of having to wade through pages of pages discussion regarding power levels and canon debates still remains.

I think the creation of a thread purely for fan theories would be a nice addition also.

The power levels and canon are why I half-vanished out of the thread for a while; I've got no interest in PL's or canon.

Fan-theories are fun to both read and write though. I can't wait to see all those that pop up once the trailer appears.

Anyone recall how the decision to give Kai a forum came about? Was it because it was the first really big thing in a while? Or because it's a series and not a movie?

[Ajay]

Yeah, but the problem of having to wade through pages of pages discussion regarding power levels and canon debates still remains.

I think the creation of a thread purely for fan theories would be a nice addition also.

Yes, for the sake of my sanity, please can we oust that nonsense from the main thread and let them have their way elsewhere.

[Tzigi]

I'd love it. I actually stopped reading the movie thread because keeping track of it is such a pain... A subforum would be great.

[VegettoEX]

For what it's worth, I'm not sure I'd even make the same decision about a Kai sub-forum these days if I had to do it all over again. The question becomes "where do you draw the line for a sub-forum?" An on-going series with no precedent for something like it made sense at the time.

If the underlying issue is "stricter conversational topics" within a thread, that's something to harp on, and the moderation team would be willing to do that.

(So no, I'm not willing to create an entirely new sub-forum for one movie.)

[Ajay]

Then yes, please could the moderation team be far stricter with where the conversation regarding power levels and canon takes place. It's quite hard to talk production when there's about 5 pages of canon or power level debates in the midst of it. I can't help but feel they'd be far more suited to their own threads elsewhere.

[Gyt Kaliba]

Just a thought, but if you don't want to have a sub-forum for just 'one' movie, perhaps make the sub-forum be about the new movies in general (including Battle of Gods)? I realize that would require porting a lot of threads, but I think between these two movies and maybe even more going forward (I wouldn't be surprised if we at least get a third one), I think that would leave plenty of discussion for it's own sub-forum.

[Tzigi]

If the underlying issue is "stricter conversational topics" within a thread, that's something to harp on, and the moderation team would be willing to do that.

For me the issue that made me stop browsing this thread was the fact that it lacked organization in general - not just the fact that people went on a tangent. It was simply super hard to find discussion of specific topics related to the new movie. Let's take BoG (since it is done, aired and so on) as an example: the things I'd like to discuss and read discussion about were:
- pre-premiere new info regarding:
+ the story
+ new characters
+ involvement of different people in the staff
+ important dates
- post-premiere info regarding:
+ the story (can be simply an evolution of my first point)
+ reactions/popularity (numbers of tickets sold and so on)
+ possible hints at a new movie
+ other in-depth analyses
- later info regarding:
+ various localizations (the best way is to keep each localization separate)

But seeing all those points in one thread is a great way of getting a headache. That's why I stopped reading the BoG thread and didn't even begin to read the FnF one - fora have threads so that all discussion doesn't have to take place in one place.

To sum up: once again Kanzenshuu has a (in my view) very strange stance on something that would seem normal and natural (my other great issue with this site is its completely unreasonable hatred of necroposting) and - also once again - a great counterexample is EvaGeeks. Here it would be their treatment of the so-called Rebuild of Evangelion movies: they have a subforum for them and this subforum has an all-spoilers allowed subforum for the newest movie in the series. Finding pertinent info is so easy there. Just take a look at the names of some important threads:
Official Eva FINAL updated NTV Preview thread - for discussing the teaser
FINAL pic thread [use spoilers, no hotlinking] - for keeping the images that surface on the internet in one place (and so that they don't repeat every page) when someone posts them thinking that they are something new
Evangelion Official Website News - self-explanatory
and then the "less actual info, more speculation discussion" threads like: Who will die in Final., Shinji in 4.0 Speculation Thread and so on.

Everything is nice and tidy and it's so easy to keep track of interesting discussions.

[VegettoEX]

Well, for starters, please remember that while Kanzenshuu has a forum, it isn't a forum. Every not-so-major to major piece of news regarding the upcoming movie is tagged and painstakingly detailed in news posts on the website, and is then cataloged into an extensive "Movie Guide" page. If you want to read news, on-going forum posts seems like you're just making things difficult for yourself. I totally understand wanting to be part of "the conversation"... but again, if we're talking raw info? It's right there for you.

I'm not really up for comparing a long-running Evangelion website/forum to a Dragon Ball one. They're too completely different. One's a long-running series with constant productions and off-shoots, while the other is a smaller, self-contained story with limited amounts of very high profile / high budget re-tellings.

In terms of necroposting, I guess I'm just diametrically opposed to you on that. I can't figure out for the life of me what value there is in (to use real-life examples) allowing responses to 6+ year old threads where the conversation is over, some of the users aren't even active users anymore, and there's just nothing to engage on anymore. I'm not even entirely sure how people find those threads (other than random Googlings), and furthermore what goes on in their head when they see, "Oh hey, no-one's said anything here since two presidents ago." What you're asking for is basically what you're NOT asking for: long, rambling, on-going threads that are hard to keep up with.

I have been doing this for a VERY long time, and I've tried pretty much every tactic and rule there is out there. I've figured out what works for me, what works for the rest of the three dudes that run the site, and what works for our moderation team. As I hope you can see I'm certainly open to requests and suggestions, but when it comes to very specific/granular things, we know what works for us.

I'm very much thinking about the... I dunno, I guess "Special Features / Movies / Productions" sub-forum categorization. Curious where the line gets drawn, though. Do the older Toei Festival movies get classified there? Only stuff post-GT?

[Tzigi]

Well, for starters, please remember that while Kanzenshuu has a forum, it isn't a forum. Every not-so-major to major piece of news regarding the upcoming movie is tagged and painstakingly detailed in news posts on the website, and is then cataloged into an extensive "Movie Guide" page. If you want to read news, on-going forum posts seems like you're just making things difficult for yourself. I totally understand wanting to be part of "the conversation"... but again, if we're talking raw info? It's right there for you.

I am well aware of the info being there on the site. It's that when I want to find discussion regarding this specific bit of info, I find myself drowning in the sea of irrelevant discussion.

In terms of necroposting, I guess I'm just diametrically opposed to you on that. I can't figure out for the life of me what value there is in (to use real-life examples) allowing responses to 6+ year old threads where the conversation is over, some of the users aren't even active users anymore, and there's just nothing to engage on anymore. I'm not even entirely sure how people find those threads (other than random Googlings), and furthermore what goes on in their head when they see, "Oh hey, no-one's said anything here since two presidents ago." What you're asking for is basically what you're NOT asking for: long, rambling, on-going threads that are hard to keep up with.

And once again we see differently - if necroposting is allowed, then it's best paired with spliting and merging threads regarding a specific subject. Let's say that someone found a DVD release he couldn't identify - then we merge his new topic with an existing one describing the very same release (with appropriate editorial comments of course). Or the DBAF doujin by Toyble - there was once a thread about it, a great, filled with pertinent info one. Then Toyble did not update for a longer period of time and a new thread was created - I asked about a merge and a mod approved this newer one. Now finding specific info about one of the most influential doujins is harder because there are two topic about there - and they are both so old that posting in either of them would count as necroposting. So if Toyble decides to publish another part of his story, we're supposed to create yet another thread and scatter the info even more..?

In a necroposting-allowed policy threads have actual informational (as opposed to just conversational) value. And a policy of splitting and merging prevents them from becoming "long, rambling, on-going threads that are hard to keep up with." - if someone goes off at a tangent, then the thread is split.
But that was all just a side-note to the worse problem of keeping such a behemoth as the two movie threads.

[Hellspawn28]

A sub forum for the new movies would be nice. I hate how big the Battle of Gods thread got from 2012 - 2013 and made it hard to keep track of everything.