FUNi/Toei Comparisons

Great Saiyaman · Post by **Great Saiyaman** » Thu Oct 05, 2006 3:24 am

I was wondering if anyone could show me some comparison shots from Toei to FUNi? I know FUNi saturates things, but it's what I am used to, so I wanted to see what it's acctually supposed to look like & how much different. Thanks.

Super Sonic · Post by **Super Sonic** » Thu Oct 05, 2006 3:27 am

With that sort of thing it depends on when the show was and whether it was remastered or not. For example, quality on Funimation dvds and on tv has always been cleaned up more than on International channel.

Timo · Post by **Timo** » Thu Oct 05, 2006 4:30 am

Like that?
http://home.arcor.de/hetchara/compariso ... arison.jpg

Tsukento · Post by **Tsukento** » Thu Oct 05, 2006 6:00 am

Alright, prepare yourself.

(Some Dragon Box screens came from other sources before I obtained the DVDs; these screens are rather dated.)

The US shots come from personal collection. Again, before I had access to Dragon Box, the screens from there came from another source.

Next comes the Movies comparisons. The rest will be linked since they're rather large.

ChaotixXero · Post by **ChaotixXero** » Thu Oct 05, 2006 7:12 am

Whao! I never noticed the visual differences between the two.

Sun_Wukong · Post by **Sun_Wukong** » Thu Oct 05, 2006 9:24 am

It seems like the FUNI dvds are a brighter resolution for some strange reason. Yet the TOEI dvds just have better quality all around.

Oh, btw, I've found some on youtube recently.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=er_CokIwyzw

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OrI4mpdJ_jQ

The guy has quite a few

MajinVejitaXV · Post by **MajinVejitaXV** » Thu Oct 05, 2006 10:58 am

Sun_Wukong wrote:It seems like the FUNI dvds are a brighter resolution for some strange reason. Yet the TOEI dvds just have better quality all around.

Not really. FUNi or the party they outsource their digital mastering to applied a number of filters, including one to increase the color saturation, one to increase the overall brightness and contrast, and one to increase sharpness. It's an attempt to 'de-age' the material, which in all honesty makes it look horrible on a reference calibrated setup.

Those differences, combined with lower bitrates, make the FUNi discs nearly unwatchable to me. Then again, I guess I'm spoiled by having seen the DragonBoxes (and competantly handled Region 1 anime discs).

-Corey

Casual Matt · Post by **Casual Matt** » Thu Oct 05, 2006 12:07 pm

Okay, most of them the FUNi stuff looks okay, just a bit brighter, but this:

Tsukento wrote:

This doesn't even compare.

Mr.Piccolo · Post by **Mr.Piccolo** » Thu Oct 05, 2006 12:19 pm

I don't know, looking at the Gogeta comparison above, the Funi version is better imo. Gogeta looks too pink, in almost a sick way. It's kind of hard to explain, everyone is entitled to their own opinion. So, tell me what you think.

MajinVejitaXV · Post by **MajinVejitaXV** » Thu Oct 05, 2006 1:17 pm

Mr.Piccolo wrote:I don't know, looking at the Gogeta comparison above, the Funi version is better imo. Gogeta looks too pink, in almost a sick way. It's kind of hard to explain, everyone is entitled to their own opinion. So, tell me what you think.

My opinion? FUNi makes Gogeta looks like he either:

A.) Has cirrhosis of the liver

-or-

B.) Eats carrots non-stop from sunrise to sunset.

Skin shouldn't be yellowish/orange. And that's now even touching on the bad quality of the print being further accentuated by their wise user of sharpening filters.

-Corey

BlueSky · Post by **Kaboom** » Thu Oct 05, 2006 1:21 pm

Yeah, the difference is obvious. DragonBox, how I long for thee...

Great Saiyaman · Post by **Great Saiyaman** » Thu Oct 05, 2006 5:03 pm

Tsukento, thanks so much for all of those, it was fun to see the comparisons. In some instances I prefer FUNi's look, but in others I far prefer Toei's more cleaned up look. Guess for me it just depends on the scene....like the Dragon Fist....FUNi makes the aura look more like it's there & Goku's hair looks cooler.

Also, what I found odd was....people mostly say FUNi...I believe the term is "saturates" the images more...which is making it darker, correct? Like Gogeta's skin? Well what I found weird was that in some images Toei's images looked darker skinned that FUNi's, what's up with that?

Chuquita · Post by **Chuquita** » Thu Oct 05, 2006 5:15 pm

Such a vast difference. O_O

The YouTube links aren't working.

Tanooki Kuribo · Post by **Tanooki Kuribo** » Thu Oct 05, 2006 5:19 pm

Let me just say that with those pictures, you won't get the full effect. When watching the Dragonbox you will definitly be blown away.

Godo · Post by **Godo** » Thu Oct 05, 2006 5:26 pm

MajinVejitaXV wrote:
Mr.Piccolo wrote:I don't know, looking at the Gogeta comparison above, the Funi version is better imo. Gogeta looks too pink, in almost a sick way. It's kind of hard to explain, everyone is entitled to their own opinion. So, tell me what you think.
My opinion? FUNi makes Gogeta looks like he either:

A.) Has cirrhosis of the liver

-or-

B.) Eats carrots non-stop from sunrise to sunset.

Skin shouldn't be yellowish/orange. And that's now even touching on the bad quality of the print being further accentuated by their wise user of sharpening filters.

-Corey

And now my opinion ^_^'

I think the Funi is better. Why?

In the Funi version he looks like he has a tan. In the Dragonbox version he looks like he has lived in London his whole life (nothing against London, but sunburn is not that common there).
I don't see how he in the Funi version is carrot colored. My computer screen has original calibration and I don't see orange skin colour on the Funi version.

The DragonBox version is "cleaner", but still, the tan in Funi suits Gogeta fine. My opinion.

maiku84 · Post by **maiku84** » Thu Oct 05, 2006 5:50 pm

The remastered version from Dragon Box is sharper image-wise, but the color of Gogeta's skin is way, *way* too pink. It doesn't really go with the golden aura of light surrounding him, and is much paler than the way both Vegeta and Goku are usually colored.

I hope that was an animation error, and that the rest of the shots from the remastered DVD were better-colored. ^^;

veshira · Post by **veshira** » Thu Oct 05, 2006 5:53 pm

maiku84 wrote:The remastered version from Dragon Box is sharper image-wise, but the color of Gogeta's skin is way, *way* too pink. It doesn't really go with the golden aura of light surrounding him, and is much paler than the way both Vegeta and Goku are usually colored.

Actually, Goku's usually that pinky color. Vegeta's skin lightens when ever he turns Super Saiyajin, other times he's tannish.

If you watch Funimation's DVD of the movie, when Vegeta makes his entrance, he's snow white!

maiku84 · Post by **maiku84** » Thu Oct 05, 2006 5:58 pm

veshira wrote:Actually, Goku's usually that pinky color. Vegeta's skin lightens when ever he turns Super Saiyajin, other times he's tannish.

If you watch Funimation's DVD of the movie, when Vegeta makes his entrance, he's snow white!

Really? Bah, my eyes suck. XD You're right, tho -- he's drawn much paler than I remembered him being drawn.

MajinVejitaXV · Post by **MajinVejitaXV** » Thu Oct 05, 2006 6:36 pm

Godo wrote:In the Funi version he looks like he has a tan. In the Dragonbox version he looks like he has lived in London his whole life (nothing against London, but sunburn is not that common there).
I don't see how he in the Funi version is carrot colored. My computer screen has original calibration and I don't see orange skin colour on the Funi version.

The DragonBox version is "cleaner", but still, the tan in Funi suits Gogeta fine. My opinion.

Eh, it looks orange to me. And I've seen the disc on my home setup (which is calibrated to reference levels for my DVD player). Not arguing, just voicing my opinion. Add to that the horrible noise in the picture which is brought out further by overuse of sharpening filters, and it hurts to watch.

Still, look at all of Gogeta. It's not just his skin. His eyes are no longer the right color and his vest is redish-brown instead of grey. I mean, a picture says 1000 words, but seeing the two in motion is like night and day.

And the nice thing? If you want Gogeta to have a 'tan' (even though it's not what the animators intended and throws off the color balance on everything), with the DragonBoxes you can turn up the color saturation on your own TV and the film won't look like someone left the masters in a jar of pig urine for 10 years then ran it through VirtualDub with the sharpening filter cranked up and color saturation altered to bring out fleshtones (which was often done YEARS ago, before people knew how to use reference levels)

-Corey

Sun_Wukong · Post by **Sun_Wukong** » Thu Oct 05, 2006 6:38 pm

Chuquita wrote:Such a vast difference. O_O

The YouTube links aren't working.

Yeah, Toei removed a bunch of em from Youtube

Kanzenshuu

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