Disregarding bullets' durability, do you think Videl doesn't have the skills to keep up with Yamcha? She was pounding someone beyond human wall (I suppose), a lot like that Bruce Lee-esque fighter against Kuririn (21st Budokai).RandomGuy96 wrote:21st Budokai Yamcha > BODB Goku > 9mm bullet > Videl.
GokuAngelus wrote:SOME VERSUS'!
No way. Yamcha, on his first appearance, kicked Goku through several rock boulders. The strengh/skill needed for that is pretty significant and he should be even stronger in the 21st tournament. Videl is much closer to a regular human power, she just is able to focus and fly because Gohan taught her.Hugo Boss wrote: Disregarding bullets' durability, do you think Videl doesn't have the skills to keep up with Yamcha? She was pounding someone beyond human wall (I suppose), a lot like that Bruce Lee-esque fighter against Kuririn (21st Budokai).
You can't simply disregard durability and strength. Yamcha gave some trouble to someone a LOT stronger than Videl, and is supposed to be considerably stronger at the Budokai, so he could take her no problem. If we include the "Yamcha sucks" factor, then the result changes. He flees in sheer terror at the sight of Videl, handing her the victory.Disregarding bullets' durability, do you think Videl doesn't have the skills to keep up with Yamcha? She was pounding someone beyond human wall (I suppose), a lot like that Bruce Lee-esque fighter against Kuririn (21st Budokai).
KK x2 Goku wins.SOME VERSUS'!
100% Final Form Freeza VS Buu Saga Base Goku (with Kaioken)
[Goku can only use up to Kaiokenx10]
Manga Base Vegito VS Super Buu (Mystic Gohan, SSJ3 Gotenks, Dabura, Tenshinhan, Imperfect Cell, and Piccolo absorbed)
[No time limit. No candy beam/planet busting/absorbing Vegito]
Mercenary Tao VS 23rd WMAT Chiaotzu
Nameless Namek VS Future Android 18
[The Nameless Namek does not have Nail in him, of course]
The Monkey King wrote:It was actually Beerus disguised as Zarbon #StayWokeRandomGuy96 wrote:He's probably referring to the Bardock special. Zarbon was the one who first recommended destroying Planet Vegeta because the saiyans were rapidly growing in strength.dbgtFO wrote: Please elaborate as I do not know what you mean by "pushing Vegeta's destruction"
Herms wrote:The fact that the ridiculous power inflation is presented so earnestly makes me just roll my eyes and snicker. Like with Freeza, where he starts off over 10 times stronger than all his henchmen except Ginyu (because...well, just because), then we find out he can transform and get even more powerful, and then he reveals he can transform two more times, before finally coming out with the fact that he hasn't even been using anywhere near 50% of his power. Oh, and he can survive in the vacuum of space. All this stuff is just presented as the way Freeza is, without even an attempt at rationalizing it, yet the tone dictates we're supposed to take all this silly grasping at straws as thrilling danger. So I guess I don't really take the power inflation in the Boo arc seriously, but I don't take the power inflation in earlier arcs seriously either, so there's no net loss of seriousness. I think a silly story presented as serious is harder to accept than a silly story presented as silly.
Goku, easily. Beerus' verbiage seemed to imply that, while Freeza was more powerful than base Goku, the difference between them wasn't overly significant. So yeah, a KKx2 would likely do the trick. KKx10 would make it a spite-stomp in Goku's favor.Angelus wrote:SOME VERSUS'!
100% Final Form Freeza VS Buu Saga Base Goku (with Kaioken)
[Goku can only use up to Kaiokenx10]
50% SSJ Vegito VS Super Buu (Mystic Gohan, SSJ3 Gotenks, Dabura, Tenshinhan, Imperfect Cell, and Piccolo absorbed)
[No time limit. No candy beam/planet busting/absorbing Vegito]
If 50% can stomp Buuhan with relative ease, adding SSJ3 Gotenks would still put Vegetto at a hefty advantage seeing as he was pretty substantially weaker than Gohan, so I think either way Vegetto wins.Galan007 wrote:Goku, easily. Beerus' verbiage seemed to imply that, while Freeza was more powerful than base Goku, the difference between them wasn't overly significant. So yeah, a KKx2 would likely do the trick. KKx10 would make it a spite-stomp in Goku's favor.Angelus wrote:SOME VERSUS'!
100% Final Form Freeza VS Buu Saga Base Goku (with Kaioken)
[Goku can only use up to Kaiokenx10]
50% SSJ Vegito VS Super Buu (Mystic Gohan, SSJ3 Gotenks, Dabura, Tenshinhan, Imperfect Cell, and Piccolo absorbed)
[No time limit. No candy beam/planet busting/absorbing Vegito]
Even if you cut Vegito's SSJ power in half, I think he would've still stomped Buuhan with relative ease. Stacking SSJ3 Gotenks' power on top of Buuhan's *might* turn the tides, though... Not sure.
1. Post-rosat base Goku stomps with less than half of his power and no kaiokenAngelus wrote:SOME VERSUS'!
100% Final Form Freeza VS Buu Saga Base Goku (with Kaioken)
[Goku can only use up to Kaiokenx10]
50% SSJ Vegito VS Super Buu (Mystic Gohan, SSJ3 Gotenks, Dabura, Tenshinhan, Imperfect Cell, and Piccolo absorbed)
[No time limit. No candy beam/planet busting/absorbing Vegito]
Mercenary Tao VS 22nd WMAT Yamcha
Nameless Namek (Kami Pre-Split) VS Future Android 18
[The Nameless Namek does not have Nail in him, of course]
1. Not in my personal fanon (too many plot holes)Angelus wrote:Errr... BoG has Bills saying post buu saga base Goku can't beat Freeza.
Huh? 18 rekts the kids.---Base Kids were on par with 18
they were in a restricting suit, and held up pretty fine, especially Trunks for only being limited to his armssingsing wrote:Huh? 18 rekts the kids.---Base Kids were on par with 18
And 18 was holding back to keep from killing anyone so that she wasn't disqualified. No one is going all out here.SSJ2FutureGohan wrote:they were in a restricting suit, and held up pretty fine, especially Trunks for only being limited to his armssingsing wrote:Huh? 18 rekts the kids.---Base Kids were on par with 18
Cipher wrote:If Vegeta does not kill Gohan, I will stop illegally streaming the series.
Malik_DBNA wrote:"Achievement Unlocked: Rule 34"Scarz wrote:Malik, stop. People are asking me for lewd art of possessed Bra (with Vegeta).
-She smashed them into the ground (people actually thought Mighty Mask died) and shot a ki blast at them, doesn't seem like she's holding back a lot. The Daiz even notes that base Trunks was showing strength that was on par with that of Android 18'sKamiccolo9 wrote: And 18 was holding back to keep from killing anyone so that she wasn't disqualified. No one is going all out here.
But... Bills hit Goku with two "hits". Hits that weren't truly offensive hits. One was a flick of a single finger and the other was a soft tap of a chop. Bills actually hit mystic Gohan hard with a side kick to the gut but not before smashing Gohan's head against Mr. Buu's first. Head smash + side kick >>> finger flick + soft tap chop-- coming from the same person. Not to mention, Bills was just playing around with Goku and took that "Spar" very lightly. Not like the rampage he went on at Bulma's party.SSJ2FutureGohan wrote:1. Not in my personal fanon (too many plot holes)Angelus wrote:Errr... BoG has Bills saying post buu saga base Goku can't beat Freeza.
2. I don't see why Goku couldn't beat Freeza by the Boo saga, it seemed like Goku was suppressed
---Base Saiyans are always shown suppressed (i.e; Trunks confronting Freeza)
---No visible aura, a trait usually given to someone at full power
---Goku was hiding moments before, who hides at full power?
---The Cell saga gaps are ridiculously big, very bloated saga
---Base Kids were on par with 18
---And to top it all of; SSJ3 Goku > Mystic Gohan in BoG, so if that's the case Goku would be mutli-fold stronger than his Boo arc self
So yeah, Base Saiyans < Freeza doesn't work, IMO.
Cipher wrote:If Vegeta does not kill Gohan, I will stop illegally streaming the series.
Malik_DBNA wrote:"Achievement Unlocked: Rule 34"Scarz wrote:Malik, stop. People are asking me for lewd art of possessed Bra (with Vegeta).
No it's not.Angelus wrote:But that was his name in the FUNimation dub of BoG.
Cipher wrote:If Vegeta does not kill Gohan, I will stop illegally streaming the series.
Malik_DBNA wrote:"Achievement Unlocked: Rule 34"Scarz wrote:Malik, stop. People are asking me for lewd art of possessed Bra (with Vegeta).
Not that big of a deal since official dubs use the name. HOWEVER if he's English then yes he should be saying Beerus. Sorry I'm an animal lover and just saw a shelter dog commercial.Kamiccolo9 wrote:Every time someone writes "Bills," a puppy dies.
Do you hate puppies?
It's Beerus in the Funimation dub. And the video gamesAngelus wrote:But that was his name in the FUNimation dub of BoG.
Bee if it's manga Turtle simply because in real life, a dog could kill a turtle. If it's anime Turtle, then Turtle wins because Turtle had some martial arts skills beating up two average humans in that filler episode.TheGmGoken wrote:Bee vs Turtle
5th Form Cooler vs Mecha Freeza
