What If Vegeta Gained Immortality?

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Re: What If Vegeta Gained Immortality?

Post by Eire » Sun Dec 14, 2014 12:07 pm

It was actually beautifully described in third part of "Gulliver's Travels"- I know that nobody reads it, but Swift nailed what immortality means without eternal youth. And before him-ancient Greeks.
Actually asking for immorality without additional features is pretty bad idea- age without youth is one thing, but some jerkass genies can understand it as dying from wounds not age or disease a'la Tolkien Elves. Or give it but leaving normal regeneration. Or let you experience dying but without death.
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Re: What If Vegeta Gained Immortality?

Post by Lord Beerus » Sun Dec 14, 2014 6:42 pm

I don't think Vegeta gaining immortality would have changed anything... unless... the sort of immortality Vegeta has is that every time he dies he gains a zenkai. Then shit drastically changes... :shock:

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Re: What If Vegeta Gained Immortality?

Post by Angelus » Sun Dec 14, 2014 11:24 pm

rereboy wrote:Eventually, his body could completely decay and he could exist as a being without a body, who is still alive and unable to die.
... like a soul? :eh:
... then he'd be dead. :think:
Lord Beerus wrote:I don't think Vegeta gaining immortality would have changed anything... unless... the sort of immortality Vegeta has is that every time he dies he gains a zenkai. Then shit drastically changes... :shock:
That's the sort of immortality Garlic Jr. had. Wolvernine-like regen. Imagine all the zenkais. But thing is... that was a wish made to Earth's shenron, not Porunga, as who Vegeta would be stating his wish to... or rather have Dende say it.

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Re: What If Vegeta Gained Immortality?

Post by TheOverlyMadHatter » Mon Dec 15, 2014 12:54 am

Would he even get Zenkai-boosts if there's no real peril to his life? If not, how the fight would go would depend on when he made the wish.

-Saiyan arc to post-Zarbon boost: He might as well just breathe on Freeza until he dies of old age. It would be very much like the Freeza-Nail battle.
-Post-Reacoom Boost: He could probably beat him if he keeps him from transforming. He might wear out Second Form Freeza, but probably not significantly. ANything beyond that, and he's just a punching bag. I'm assuming this is the Vegeta concerned here since this was the point where he was closest to getting his wish.
-Self-Induced Zenkai: He stands a chance against Final Form Freeza... a slim one, though.

If Zenkais do apply, then he just has to keep himself from getting injured beyond repair or getting captured, then he could probably stand up to him eventually.

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Re: What If Vegeta Gained Immortality?

Post by Kamiccolo9 » Mon Dec 15, 2014 1:09 am

Regardless of if he got zenkais or not, Freeza would die eventually. So it may take a while, but there would inevitably be a point in the future where Vegeta was alive and Freeza wasn't.
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Re: What If Vegeta Gained Immortality?

Post by singsing » Mon Dec 15, 2014 1:21 am

Kamiccolo9 wrote:Regardless of if he got zenkais or not, Freeza would die eventually. So it may take a while, but there would inevitably be a point in the future where Vegeta was alive and Freeza wasn't.
Then he beats up Freeza's dead body and proclaims himself stronger than Freeza ever was :lol:

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Re: What If Vegeta Gained Immortality?

Post by rereboy » Mon Dec 15, 2014 6:49 am

Angelus wrote:
rereboy wrote:Eventually, his body could completely decay and he could exist as a being without a body, who is still alive and unable to die.
... like a soul? :eh:
... then he'd be dead. :think:
No, a bodiless entity. Still alive, just without a body and unable to die.

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Re: What If Vegeta Gained Immortality?

Post by mysticboy » Mon Dec 15, 2014 10:10 pm

rereboy wrote:No, a bodiless entity. Still alive, just without a body and unable to die.
Like living dust?

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Re: What If Vegeta Gained Immortality?

Post by Kamiccolo9 » Mon Dec 15, 2014 10:17 pm

mysticboy wrote:
rereboy wrote:No, a bodiless entity. Still alive, just without a body and unable to die.
Like living dust?
Like a ghost, but unable to move on. Think of Piccolo Daimao's victims, who were stuck forever on Earth as spirits, unable to move on into the afterlife.
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Re: What If Vegeta Gained Immortality?

Post by FoolsGil » Mon Dec 15, 2014 11:34 pm

Guys Guys Guys Guys Guys. What is the point of immortality or wishing for it, if you will lose a body? The immortality you debate is not one the dragon would give. If it was, then anyone who is revived from this cruel dragon would likely come back a zombie, and really any wish would be a double edged horror.

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Re: What If Vegeta Gained Immortality?

Post by Kamiccolo9 » Mon Dec 15, 2014 11:37 pm

FoolsGil wrote:Guys Guys Guys Guys Guys. What is the point of immortality or wishing for it, if you will lose a body? The immortality you debate is not one the dragon would give. If it was, then anyone who is revived from this cruel dragon would likely come back a zombie, and really any wish would be a double edged horror.
What is the point of wishing for youth if the dragon is just gonna turn you into a little kid? Wishes are a double edged sword. That's why they are always careful to word it to where bad guys don't get brought back.
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Re: What If Vegeta Gained Immortality?

Post by rereboy » Tue Dec 16, 2014 6:29 am

FoolsGil wrote:Guys Guys Guys Guys Guys. What is the point of immortality or wishing for it, if you will lose a body? The immortality you debate is not one the dragon would give. If it was, then anyone who is revived from this cruel dragon would likely come back a zombie, and really any wish would be a double edged horror.
That's why its important to know what immortality would actually mean in Dragon Ball. Not being able to die covers a lot of possibilities.

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Re: What If Vegeta Gained Immortality?

Post by Eire » Tue Dec 16, 2014 8:20 am

Poruga usually acts as "beloved genie", interpreting wish in in favour of those who ask. Hoverer we haven't seen him granting the wish when he didn't want to obey. Vegeta at this point took part in slaughter on Namek and dragon had no reason to like him.
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