How powerful was Buff Buu and Skinny Evil Gray Buu?

[Angelus]

What are your estimates on them?

Compare Buff Buu and Skinny Evil Gray Buu's power in comparison with Kid Buu, Super Buu, Fat Buu (Pre-Split) and Good/Mr. Buu

[Super Saiyan Turlast x4]

Well, Evil Boo was at a level that was weaker than Fat Boo, but stronger than Mr. Boo because the majority of the power went to him. All we know about Buff Boo is that he's more powerful than Super and Kid Boo.

[Herms]

The narrator says that the skinny one got "most of" the power when Boo split up into good and evil halves. So he'd be weaker than that initial fat Boo, the one that fought Dabra/Vegeta/SSj3 Goku. And the weaker version of fat Boo is still able to put up a decent fight against pure Boo, so...maybe something like a 60%/40% split? I guess?

Goku says Boo's ki rises when he turns into his buff form, so presumably that form is stronger than the (muscular) evil Boo at the very least.

[Angelus]

And... why did Buff Buu shrink down to Kid Buu?

[Galan007]

My opinion:
Buuhan>Buutenks>Buff Buu>Super Buu>Fat Buu>Grey Buu~/>Pure Buu>Mr. Buu.

[Darkprince410]

And... why did Buff Buu shrink down to Kid Buu?

When Vegeta pulled Mr. Buu's cocoon out, the influence that Buu was gaining from the two Kaioushin started to dwindle and dissipate. While no official explanation has been given, I believe that because South Kaioushin's ki was the larger of the two Kaioushin (since he was the strongest), there was more of his ki within Buu, so he initially went from Evil Buu to South Kaioushin Buu (having lost the ki of the Dai Kaioushin), and then reverted down to the form of Buu that had absorbed South Kaioushin, which was Pure Buu.

To answer your question regarding the Pure Evil Buu. I personally believe him to be exactly equal to that of Pure Buu, because I feel that Fat Buu's ki spiked to its maximum right before he split. As we saw earlier on, Fat Buu's strength seemed to fluctuate with his anger, and the angrier he got, the more powerful he seemed to become. When Mr. Satan was mortally wounded by that assassin, Buu became angrier than we had ever seen him before, and I feel that, for that brief moment, his strength skyrocketed to a level far above what we had seen before. Then, when he split into Mr. Buu and Pure Evil Buu, their strength was split based on what Fat Buu's strength was at that moment.

Now, one would argue that, Goku said he could beat Fat Buu yet had extreme difficulty in fighting Pure Buu, there's no way that Pure Evil Buu could be equal to Pure Buu in terms of strength. However, Goku makes it clear that he wasn't aware of the events leading to the formation of Evil Buu, and thus wouldn't have known about the incident with Mr. Satan and Fat Buu's strength jumping as a result. Goku's statement then could simply be based on the strength he had actually witnessed from Fat Buu when the two fought, when Fat Buu was clearly enjoying the fight and not showing any signs of anger.

I know a good number disagree with my theory on the matter, but, to me, given that we see Pure Evil Buu absorb Mr. Buu and become Evil Buu, then Evil Buu become Pure Buu after he loses Mr. Buu, it just makes the most sense that the two are equal in strength.

[Regarder]

I agree that Emciated/Grey/Pure Evil Buu and Pure Buu are equal in power. Every time Fat Buu steams up, he increases his power, and eventually he gets too mad and all the steam (magic ki smoke) can't be contained anymore and becomes Pure Evil Buu.

It was said that Dai Kaioshin weakened Buu by making him more gentle. He clearly corrupted a portion of Buu so much that the evil part was trying to split from the good. Every time Fat Buu gets mad he's tapping into a little bit of Pure Buu's power. When he gets too mad, the Kaioshin influenced part can't contain it anymore, and it splits into a separate consciousness which has the ki of Pure Buu, but not the form. As for why Super Buu/merely Evil Buu is stronger than full Fat Buu, it's simple; Fat Buu can't properly control the full power of his other half, but if his evil part is the top part of the fusion, then his evil part can control the unconscious Fat Buu's power, thereby adding it to his own. No multipliers needed, but you can add them if you like.

That's my fanon anyway. A lot of that can't be proved positively, but I think it fits what we see. It's relatively simple if you just think that Good Buu has a stronger semi-separate power that wants out. There are some consequences of looking at it this way, and that's that if Good Buu actually absorbed Pure Buu, then we could get a less evil Super Buu than if it was the other way around. Pure Buu would be contained unconscious in a pod rather than being a malignant part of Buu's power floating around inside and wanting to split away from the Dai Kaioshin influenced part.

[Hugo Boss]

Kid Boo > Gohan Boo > Gotenks Boo > Piccolo Boo > Super Boo > Buff Boo > Evil Boo > Good Boo

[singsing]

Kid Boo > Gohan Boo > Gotenks Boo > Piccolo Boo > Super Boo > Buff Boo > Evil Boo > Good Boo

Wait what? I'm not going to talk about anything else because that's a tossup, but how can Buff be weaker than Super when Buff was explicitly stated to be getting stronger as he transformed from Super -> Buff?

[Black Hawk]

I was always under the impression that when Majin Bū split into Mister Bū and Pure Evil Bū, Mister Bū still contained the Dai Kaiōshin (Grand Kaiōshin), as his appearance did not change, while Pure Evil Bū contained South Kaiōshin, as he was more powerful than Mister Bū, and (I believe) South Kaiōshin was described as the most powerful Kaiōshin, more-so than his superior, Dai Kaiōshin. Under the additional assumption that Evil Bū's ki growth after Mister Bū is ripped from his pod inside him (before regressing to Pure Bū) boosts his power more than having Piccolo, Trunks, and Son Goten absorbed, but less than having Gotenks and Piccolo absorbed (which I have no real basis for; it's simply my belief), I'd rank each form of Bū as such:

01. Evil/"Super" Bū (Son Gohan, Trunks, Son Goten, and Piccolo absorbed) aka "Būhan"
02. Evil/"Super" Bū (Gotenks and Piccolo absorbed) aka "Būtenks"
03. "Huge" Bū (Mister Bū ripped from his pod within Evil/"Super" Bū) aka "Ultra Bū"
04. Evil/"Super" Bū (Piccolo, Trunks, and Son Goten absorbed) aka "Būccolo"
05. Evil/"Super" Bū
06. Pure/"Kid" Bū
07. Majin/Innocent Bū (vs. Dābura/SSJ3 Son Gokū)
08. Pure Evil Bū
09. Mister Bū

Edit: For the sake of comparison, just to throw them in, I'd rank Ūbu's full potential (end of the manga) to be equal to Pure/"Kid" Bū and his actual fighting power at the 28th Tenka'ichi Budōkai about equal to that of Son Gokū at that time. I'd rank Ūbu's full potential (GT) to be just below or perhaps equal to Evil/"Super" Bū, and his actual fighting power against Son Gokū (before he's turned into a child) to be about equal to him. (He would have been suppressing his power, under this assumption, of course.) After merging with Mister Bū, I'd rank Ūbu's power to be somewhere above "Huge" Bū but definitely below "Būtenks". Nothing official, just what I personally think.

I have a slightly more complicated ranking for the differing degrees of Majin/Innocent Bū's anger, but I won't get into that unless asked to.

[dbgtFO]

Fat Buu powered up everytime he got angry and when he saw Mr. Satan and Bee get shot, his anger went beyond the tipping point.
I feel like it's logical, that Fat Buu at that point was way more powerful, than he was against Goku and so Skinny Buu isn't simply Fat Buu(vs Goku)-Mr. Buu, but rather Fat Buu(about to split)-Mr. Buu.
I don't think I have a particular problem with Skinny having the same power as Kid Buu, though I usually just have Skinny Buu stronger due to his seemingly better showing against Mr. Buu.
Given Mr. Buu + Skinny Buu = Super Buu and Super Buu - Mr. Buu = Kid Buu, I have no problem with interpreting the events as Skinny Buu being a corrupted Kid Buu. He is the evil essence of Kid Buu, that was suppressed by Buff Buu absorbing Dai Kaioshin, but he doesn't take the form of Kid Buu, because he isn't him exactly. When he absorbs Mr. Buu, Kid Buu's essence is now dominant, but still some of it is suppressed by Mr. Buu's presence, making Super Buu his own being, rather than a brainless fighting machine.
I think Buff Buu is as strong as Super Gotenks, so basically:
Fat Buu(vs Goku) < Mr. Buu < Pure/Kid Buu ~ Pure Evil Buu/Skinny Buu < Fat Buu(splitting point) < Super Buu < Pure/Kid Buu(South Kaioshin) = Super Gotenks < Gotenks-Buu < Gohan-Buu.

[Kamiccolo9]

Fat Buu powered up everytime he got angry and when he saw Mr. Satan and Bee get shot, his anger went beyond the tipping point.
I feel like it's logical, that Fat Buu at that point was way more powerful, than he was against Goku and so Skinny Buu isn't simply Fat Buu(vs Goku)-Mr. Buu, but rather Fat Buu(about to split)-Mr. Buu.
I don't think I have a particular problem with Skinny having the same power as Kid Buu, though I usually just have Skinny Buu stronger due to his seemingly better showing against Mr. Buu.
Given Mr. Buu + Skinny Buu = Super Buu and Super Buu - Mr. Buu = Kid Buu, I have no problem with interpreting the events as Skinny Buu being a corrupted Kid Buu. He is the evil essence of Kid Buu, that was suppressed by Buff Buu absorbing Dai Kaioshin, but he doesn't take the form of Kid Buu, because he isn't him exactly. When he absorbs Mr. Buu, Kid Buu's essence is now dominant, but still some of it is suppressed by Mr. Buu's presence, making Super Buu his own being, rather than a brainless fighting machine.
I think Buff Buu is as strong as Super Gotenks, so basically:
Fat Buu(vs Goku) < Mr. Buu < Pure/Kid Buu ~ Pure Evil Buu/Skinny Buu < Fat Buu(splitting point) < Super Buu < Pure/Kid Buu(South Kaioshin) = Super Gotenks < Gotenks-Buu < Gohan-Buu.

I see it the same way.

[Hugo Boss]

Kid Boo > Gohan Boo > Gotenks Boo > Piccolo Boo > Super Boo > Buff Boo > Evil Boo > Good Boo

Wait what? I'm not going to talk about anything else because that's a tossup, but how can Buff be weaker than Super when Buff was explicitly stated to be getting stronger as he transformed from Super -> Buff?

Maybe I should have elaborated a bit. Because he is a lot slower, despite having the higher power. I think even SS3 Gotenks could defeat Buff Boo. Of course, if Gotenks goofs off too much he loses.

[Kamiccolo9]

Kid Boo > Gohan Boo > Gotenks Boo > Piccolo Boo > Super Boo > Buff Boo > Evil Boo > Good Boo

Wait what? I'm not going to talk about anything else because that's a tossup, but how can Buff be weaker than Super when Buff was explicitly stated to be getting stronger as he transformed from Super -> Buff?

Maybe I should have elaborated a bit. Because he is a lot slower, despite having the higher power. I think even SS3 Gotenks could defeat Buff Boo. Of course, if Gotenks goofs off too much he loses.

Who says he's slower?

[Hugo Boss]

Who says he's slower?

Me, I suppose. Based on what I saw when Mirai Trunks and Cell underwent this kind of transformation. Cell in particular seemed to fair worse than when he was at full power. But you don't have to assume the same thing.

[Hitiro]

Kid Boo > Gohan Boo > Gotenks Boo > Piccolo Boo > Super Boo > Buff Boo > Evil Boo > Good Boo

What's the reasoning for Pure Boo(Kid Boo) being more powerful than Gohan Boo?

[Hugo Boss]

Kid Boo > Gohan Boo > Gotenks Boo > Piccolo Boo > Super Boo > Buff Boo > Evil Boo > Good Boo

What's the reasoning for Pure Boo(Kid Boo) being more powerful than Gohan Boo?

A few reasons.

• He is the last form of Boo.
• He is the most dangerous.
• He doesn't have the other Boo's weakness, which is Dai Kaioshin's heart.
• Defeating him required the most desperate move, genkidama (Potara was not an option).

[Diotor]

Kid Boo > Gohan Boo > Gotenks Boo > Piccolo Boo > Super Boo > Buff Boo > Evil Boo > Good Boo

What's the reasoning for Pure Boo(Kid Boo) being more powerful than Gohan Boo?

A few reasons.

• He is the last form of Boo.
• He is the most dangerous.
• He doesn't have the other Boo's weakness, which is Dai Kaioshin's heart.
• Defeating him required the most desperate move, genkidama (Potara was not an option).

So by that, SSJ3 Goku > Mystic Gohan, right?

[Hitiro]

A few reasons.

• He is the last form of Boo.
• He is the most dangerous.
• He doesn't have the other Boo's weakness, which is Dai Kaioshin's heart.
• Defeating him required the most desperate move, genkidama (Potara was not an option).

• What does order have to do with anything? Piccolo Boo appeared after Gotenks Boo. If Piccolo Boo were the last form of Boo would you think Piccolo Boo was superior to Gotenks Boo? All the villains prior to Boo are weaklings compared to the other villains across the series from the Cell Games backwards. One could even say that Pui Pui couldn't beat the end of the Saiyan arc Saiyan's due to his feeble "I can withstand 10x normal gravity." feat.
• What does most dangerous have to do with anything either? That's like saying Perfect Cell is stronger than Godku because he is more dangerous. Just because he is more dangerous doesn't make him the strongest.
• This is only really a factor with Mr. Satan though? It really isn't a weakness.
• Potara wasn't an option? It certainly was an option that they chose to ignore. Goku even said if only they had fused with the Potara then it would be an easy fight. The other option was to bring Gotenks or Gohan to fight Pure Boo(Kid Boo). But Vegeta opted for the Genki Dama because as he said "It is time for the Earthlings to save themselves for once." Goku even told us he could beat Pure Boo if he reached his full power. And this was never contradicted. But earlier on Goku said that they would get slaughtered by Evil Boo(Super Boo). So if you say Pure Boo is stronger then it would basically look like this from the points that are given in the manga:
  
  Pure Boo(Kid Boo) > Gohan Boo > Evil Boo(Super Boo) > SSJ3 Goku 100% > Pure Boo(Kid Boo)
  
  Now even if you assume that Evil Boo is weaker than Pure Boo, which is perfectly fine for you to assume. How does Gohan Boo, who is as powerful as 2 SSJ3 level characters(even if you place both Evil Boo and Chou Gohan below SSJ3 Goku there is no way for them to be so low they wouldn't exceed SSJ3 Goku when combined together), come out as weaker than Pure Boo who is as powerful as 1 SSJ3 level character?

[Hellspawn28]

If Kid Buu was stronger then Super Buu and Buuhan then Goku would have fused with Vegeta again or he would be too scared to fight Kid Buu if he was too scared to fight Super Buu in Buu's body.