How powerful was Buff Buu and Skinny Evil Gray Buu?

[Darkprince410]

Yeah, compared to Super Buu. Not Pure Buu

But then there's a stated decrease in power from Evil Buu to when he becomes Pure Buu. Goku comments that they had weakened Buu significantly, to where they were "almost there" in terms of getting him to a level where they could fight. However, that form (Evil Buu) was still too strong for them, and fighting him without fusing would result in them losing. Then he regresses to South Kaioushin Buu, which results in the whole "getting stronger" statement, and THEN, after he's fully regressed to Pure Buu, Goku makes the comment that they've "done it", that now they might be able to manage something.

His statement that they've "done it" is an indication that they've successfully completed a task they were trying to do before, which in this case was weakening him to a point where they could fight him on their own. They were "almost there" when it came to Evil Buu, but by his own admission, Goku knew that he was still too strong. However, in Pure Buu, he thought they could manage something, and furthermore even refused the notion of fusing with Vegeta to fight him, when before he was adamant that fusing was their only way of winning.

Not at all. You make your suppositions as a fact, so please try to use expressions like "IMO". First of all, the "we did it" sounds like a reference to the size of Pure Buu, as they noticed later : "he's smaller". Bejita did the same thing against Perfect Cell, it's a Toriyama classic. You interpret this phrase in your advantage, but it can be interpreted in different way. All your story about the south kaioshin is ALSO an interpretation. I don't have the same, for a poor character that the story mentionned one time.

Vegeta does mention Buu's small size, but you have to remember that it's Goku that's commenting when he mentions "we did it", and he's shown repeatedly that he doesn't judge his ability to win solely on an individual's size. He's fought other individuals before with small statures, yet never boasted his confidence in winning based on their size, so why would he now break character and judge a book by its cover? He knows full well that enemies can be strong, regardless of their physical appearance, so he's not going to do something like that.

Besides, he was certain, up to the very moment when he could no longer maintain Super Saiya-jin 3, that he could beat Pure Buu with his own power, when he outright refused to even attempt to fight Evil Buu without fusing. Sure, he mentions later that using the Potara would have made fighting Pure Buu a breeze, but that doesn't change that he still was confident he could beat him on his own.

[CatouttaHell]

Pure Evil Boo (the grey one) I always stick with being 60% of Dai Kaioshin Boo personally.

South Kaioshin Boo is above Evil Boo but probably not quite powerful enough to beat Ultimate Gohan... we'd probably get another statement if he got an increase That big.

[BejitaSama]

South Kaioshin must have been strong enough to force Boo to absorb him in the first place. Otherwise why would Boo absorb him? Furthermore, why would Boo absorb the Dai Kaioshin if it was going to make him weaker again if the first absorption didn't increase his strength?

Maybe because Pure Buu is stupid, crazy and don't think ? When you see that "several generations of Kaioshins" failed to the Z-sword, that means that several Kaioshins were inferior to Gohan SSJ. Impossible for South Kaioshin to be at Pure Buu level.

Only your "keeping Vegeta alive" one actually made sense. I'm happy to hear what other reasons you have for Goku pretending he couldn't win against Evil Boo.

No, my other explanations make sense too.

Then he regresses to South Kaioushin Buu, which results in the whole "getting stronger" statement, and THEN, after he's fully regressed to Pure Buu, Goku makes the comment that they've "done it", that now they might be able to manage something.

Vegeta does mention Buu's small size, but you have to remember that it's Goku that's commenting when he mentions "we did it", and he's shown repeatedly that he doesn't judge his ability to win solely on an individual's size. He's fought other individuals before with small statures, yet never boasted his confidence in winning based on their size, so why would he now break character and judge a book by its cover? He knows full well that enemies can be strong, regardless of their physical appearance, so he's not going to do something like that.

Herms himself already stated that this is not the only vision and that's not clear. Please stop to make your personal interpretation real.

You're making the supposition that absorbing and being revived are the exact same thing? It's like saying sports drinks are bad if you're in critical condition in hospital. So they must also be bad for you in general. Even though a runner will drink a sports drink to perform better on the day.

You try to escape here. The fact is that it's heavely implied that KaioshinS are not compatible with Buu. And this is what you deny.

Only your "keeping Vegeta alive" one actually made sense. I'm happy to hear what other reasons you have for Goku pretending he couldn't win against Evil Boo.

Maybe for you, but the other reasons I gave seems to make sense too for people who are a little open minded.

[Darkprince410]

Herms himself already stated that this is not the only vision and that's not clear. Please stop to make your personal interpretation real.

If you're meaning his translation of the line in his strength checker, I already addressed that. Vegeta was the one that commented on Buu's physical size, not Goku, because it's Vegeta that mentioned that Buu had "shrunk", and the word used was in regards to physical size.

Goku's not one to judge his chances of beating an opponent solely on their appearance (at least not after he acquired the ability to sense ki). If there were any example of him expressing confidence in his ability to beat someone, based solely on how they looked, it'd be one thing, but he hasn't, so it makes absolutely no sense for him to do it here with Buu.

[Super Saiyan Turlast x4]

At no point did Goku ever want to fight Super Boo. When Boo reverted to Piccolo Boo, what does Goku do? He immediately puts the fight back into Gohan's hands. The whole point of him showing up was to help Gohan defeat Boo-- and yet Goku's so disappointed that he wants Gohan to handle Boo. When they're inside of Boo, Vegeta says they'll no longer need fusion, with Goku saying he's not sure unless they can return him to his very first (Fat Boo) form. Right after that, we know what Goku says when they weaken Boo. There's also the part where Goku doesn't want to fight the mini version of Super Boo. If Super Boo was so much weaker than Goku, I don't see why he'd have an issue fighting him without fusion.

Later, Goku makes it a point to note that it's only fair they're going to fight Kid Boo without merging because he's "no longer merged" himself. To me, that makes it pretty clear that Boo is more powerful with absorption's than without them. Now the only exception is Fat Boo, but Goku makes it clear that he could've beaten that Boo with Super Saiyan 3. I'll admit that both Goku and Vegeta did underestimate Kid Boo, though. Even with that, Goku thought fusion was the only option against Super Boo.

[BejitaSama]

If you're meaning his translation of the line in his strength checker, I already addressed that. Vegeta was the one that commented on Buu's physical size, not Goku, because it's Vegeta that mentioned that Buu had "shrunk", and the word used was in regards to physical size.

And Gokû's sentence is an answer to the comment of Bejita about Buu's size. That's logical too. Maybe more than a reference to an old dialog of several pages before.

At no point did Goku ever want to fight Super Boo. When Boo reverted to Piccolo Boo, what does Goku do? He immediately puts the fight back into Gohan's hands. The whole point of him showing up was to help Gohan defeat Boo-- and yet Goku's so disappointed that he wants Gohan to handle Boo. When they're inside of Boo, Vegeta says they'll no longer need fusion, with Goku saying he's not sure unless they can return him to his very first (Fat Boo) form. Right after that, we know what Goku says when they weaken Boo. There's also the part where Goku doesn't want to fight the mini version of Super Boo. If Super Boo was so much weaker than Goku, I don't see why he'd have an issue fighting him without fusion.

I already explained why Goku don't want to fight Super Buu but want to fight Pure Buu. It's not so simple.
Front of Buu Gotenks, he lets Gohan fight because that's him who already has began the fight. It's not his business anymore now than Gohan can beat the monster.

Later, Goku makes it a point to note that it's only fair they're going to fight Kid Boo without merging because he's "no longer merged" himself. To me, that makes it pretty clear that Boo is more powerful with absorption's than without them. Now the only exception is Fat Boo, but Goku makes it clear that he could've beaten that Boo with Super Saiyan 3. I'll admit that both Goku and Vegeta did underestimate Kid Boo, though. Even with that, Goku thought fusion was the only option against Super Boo.

Of course Pure Buu is lower than Buu with absorptions, because for Gokû, absorptions are Gotenks, Gohan and Piccolo. Also, when Bejita ripped off Good Buu's cocoon, Super Buu was afraid about his personnality that will change, nothing about his Ki lowered.

[rereboy]

And Gokû's sentence is an answer to the comment of Bejita about Buu's size. That's logical too. Maybe more than a reference to an old dialog of several pages before.

That would be true if it was acknowledged later on that their confidence was ill conceived. That never happens. Goku, even after fighting Kid Buu in equal terms, is still convinced that he can win against him with 100% SSJ3, something that he never admitted as possible for Super Buu. So, clearly, it was not just about his size but about his power as well.

I already explained why Goku don't want to fight Super Buu but want to fight Pure Buu. It's not so simple.
Front of Buu Gotenks, he lets Gohan fight because that's him who already has began the fight. It's not his business anymore now than Gohan can beat the monster.

That would be true if Goku was still dead. He wasn't. He was alive because Kaioshin sacrificed himself for him. So, its as much business to him as it is for Gohan. Goku's exact words are: "Gohan can handle you now". He never suggests that he could take care of him. Also, in the manga he never even fights him. Buu loses the transformation before he attacks Goku.

[BejitaSama]

That would be true if Goku was still dead. He wasn't. He was alive because Kaioshin sacrificed himself for him. So, its as much business to him as it is for Gohan. Goku's exact words are: "Gohan can handle you now". He never suggests that he could take care of him. Also, in the manga he never even fights him. Buu loses the transformation before he attacks Goku,

That's prove nothing at all. His business was to help a desperate Gohan against Buu Gotenks. Now that Buu lost Gotenks boost, Gokû has no utility. He also never suggests that he couldn't take Buu Piccolo. And Goku is not the kind of guy to "steal" a fight to his son. Gohan began, he will termine it.

That would be true if it was acknowledged later on that their confidence was ill conceived. That never happens. Goku, even after fighting Kid Buu in equal terms, is still convinced that he can win against him with 100% SSJ3, something that he never admitted as possible for Super Buu. So, clearly, it was not just about his size but about his power as well.

You argument is not valid if I think that Goku's sentence concerning Super Buu is not to take literrally. I already explained it. If I have an explanation about it, there's no problem with what you talked about here.

[rereboy]

He also never suggests that he couldn't take Buu Piccolo.

No, but he states that he couldn't take a weaker form of Buu than Piccolo-Buu.

- He states that Gohan can take care of Piccolo-Buu.

- He states that he and Vegeta have no chance against Super Buu.

- Piccolo-Buu is stronger than Super Buu because its Super Buu with Goten, Trunks and Piccolo absorbed.

So, there's nothing saying that he could take Piccolo-Buu on, while there's stuff saying that he couldn't take on Super Buu, which is weaker than Piccolo-Buu. The conclusion is self-evident.

You argument is not valid if I think that Goku's sentence concerning Super Buu is not to take literrally. I already explained it. If I have an explanation about it, there's no problem with what you talked about here.

I could come up with any ridiculous explanation that I can think up for anything if I assume things and interpret them to my liking. However, those will never the same validity as the interpretations that find stronger and clearer support and evidence in the manga.

Your interpretation has much less clear support that what I'm mentioning, therefore less sense and less validity, imo. Everything you are saying is basically a strained interpretation that goes against much clearer statements and interpretations. You are basically bending over backwards to find a interpretation to justify Kid Buu being stronger, while I just have to follow the much clearer logic of the statements/actions of the characters. Like I said, you can certainly do that, but such an interpretation will never be as strong as an interpretation with clearer support and evidence in the manga.

[Darkprince410]

That would be true if it was acknowledged later on that their confidence was ill conceived. That never happens. Goku, even after fighting Kid Buu in equal terms, is still convinced that he can win against him with 100% SSJ3, something that he never admitted as possible for Super Buu. So, clearly, it was not just about his size but about his power as well.

You argument is not valid if I think that Goku's sentence concerning Super Buu is not to take literrally. I already explained it. If I have an explanation about it, there's no problem with what you talked about here.

That doesn't make any sense. For starters, Goku's statement was in response to his own previous statement about weakening Buu to a level to where they could fight him on their own, not a confirmation of Vegeta's statement about his physical size. Besides, even if he was responding to Vegeta, he wouldn't agree with him if Buu were in any way, shape, or form, stronger than Evil Buu. By your reasoning, Goku should essentially be saying this, "We did it! Now we may be able to manage something against this guy, even though he's stronger than that guy we stood no chance against!". You see how that doesn't make any sense?

By Goku's own admission, Evil Buu was too strong for he and Vegeta to beat, and Goku even berated Vegeta for destroying the Potara, pretty much establishing that he saw permanently fusing with Vegeta to win as potentially their only option. With Pure Buu though, he was confident in his ability to beat him with just his Super Saiya-jin 3 strength up until he was no longer able to maintain Super Saiya-jin 3. Nothing contradicts this confidence whatsoever, so there's no reason to believe that he couldn't do that. So why would he believe he could beat Pure Buu, but know he stood no chance against Evil Buu (even going as far as wishing they had the Potara again), if Pure Buu were stronger?

[Hitiro]

Maybe because Pure Buu is stupid, crazy and don't think ? When you see that "several generations of Kaioshins" failed to the Z-sword, that means that several Kaioshins were inferior to Gohan SSJ. Impossible for South Kaioshin to be at Pure Buu level.

You're assuming that the South Kaioshin ever tried to pull out the Z-sword? Who said he attempted it? The Kaioshin said several generations of Kaioshin have tried to pull it out. He doesn't specifically name the Kaioshin who tried it. Who said he tried it once he had reached his strongest? Not that it matters because just because his Strength isn't as big as Gohan's doesn't mean he can't have a decent amount of Ki. Kibito was supposed to be a difficult opponent for Base Gohan to beat without going SSJ. Yet Kibito is the one who can't lift the sword? Kibito may be difficult for Gohan in general but Kibito loses out in physical strength. Not that physical strength is as important a factor for how hard someone punches. Speed is the best factor for punching power. As the Flash's feats would attest in DC comics.

I don't even know how you can call Pure Boo stupid when he was smart enough to copy the Kai-kai ability from Kibitoshin. Goku even calls him clever and Boo never shows a dumb feat in the whole of his appearance. If he doesn't think then why is he toying with SSJ3 Goku because he knows no matter how much SSJ3 Goku attacks he can always return to normal? That takes some thought process.

You also didn't answer why Pure Boo would absorb the Dai Kaioshin if the S. Kaioshin made him weaker. Even animals know not to go near things that will make them weaker. It is silly to think that a being, even if he is stupid, wouldn't instinctually avoid absorbing something harmful or detrimental to themselves.

No, my other explanations make sense too.

I already explained the problems with your other two statements. So no, they don't make sense.

Herms himself already stated that this is not the only vision and that's not clear. Please stop to make your personal interpretation real.

Goku's aim was to make Boo weaker, not make him smaller. "We did it." Can only be taken in the context of their aim, which was to make Boo weaker. He had been sensing Boo's power increase when he reached the S. Kaioshin form. Are you telling me that Goku just stopped sensing him and based his statement purely on Boo shrinking in size?

If it is easier could you tell me why Goku stopped sensing Boo? Then I may be able to understand where you are coming from.

You try to escape here. The fact is that it's heavely implied that KaioshinS are not compatible with Buu. And this is what you deny.

I don't see how this is trying to escape anything. It is pretty self explanatory. If you are trying to make someone recover from a critical condition you don't feed them a sports drink. But when they're healthy you would feed them a sports drink to improve their performance. I am not denying that the Kaioshin are incompatible with Boo while he is recovering. But nothing says that he can't make use of their power once he has been revived. The only Kaioshin we can confirm weakened Boo is the Dai Kaioshin. So it's up to you on whether to believe all Kaioshin have a detrimental effect after Boo has been released from his cocoon. But as I said before, if the S. Kaioshin were to have weakened him, why would Boo have absorbed the Dai Kaioshin?

Because no matter how stupid you claim Pure Boo was, he is still like any other living creature in the universe. They all understand not to eat poison. Even single cell organisms know to avoid something that will harm them. So are you telling me Pure Boo is more stupid than a single cell organism?

Maybe for you, but the other reasons I gave seems to make sense too for people who are a little open minded.

Like who? Can you state some names of people who have looked at your other two statements about why Goku would say they would get destroyed? Because I don't think I've seen anybody believe that a SSJ Gogeta wouldn't be above SSJ3 Goku in strength. And I haven't seen anyone say that Goku was implying his suppressed SSJ3 transformation would lose to Evil Boo over his full-power SSJ3. Why would Goku even say that? It honestly doesn't make sense to say you're holding back version won't be able to beat Evil Boo but your full-power would be able to beat Evil Boo.

[RandomGuy96]

Buff: stronger than Super Buu's base form, but weaker than his two strongest transformations (Buutenks was stated to be the Mightiest Majin, then Buuhan formed and was even stronger).

Pure Evil: stronger than Pure Buu, weaker than Super Buu (effortlessly and quickly curb-stomped Mr. Buu, who was able to put up a decent fight against Pure Buu).

[Hugo Boss]

list of reasons

Since you were the first one to reply me, I will adjust my explanation in order to make it linear to you, ok?

Spoiler:

• When I said Pure Boo was the strongest because he was the last form of Boo, I meant he is the definitive form of Boo. Consider the old main villains, excepting Freeza's new evolution that might retcon this specific point. For example, Cell had a buffed transformation and (after vomiting No.18) reverted to his 2nd-form-self and made himself a baloon, so you can be right on this one, but Cell at last showed his final form, which rivals that of Gohan. I think the same could applied here, with the difference that Boo doesn't transform into anything new when he changes back. If Pure Boo is not the strongest form of Boo, then he is an exception in the trend. No problem.
• When I said Pure Boo is the strongest because he is the most dangerous form of Boo, I meant someone stronger than other is relatively more dangerous, imo. I have a hard time to understand how a weaker form of a character can be more dangerous than his strongest. But again, no problem.
• When I said Pure Boo is the strongest because the other forms have Dai Kaioshin's heart weakness, I meant the other Boo (Good Boo)'s weakness. That weakness is spread among all forms of Boo until Pure Boo (with and without South Kaioshin) showed up. So, really, I should review this point. The only that would matter would be the Good Boo.
• When I said Pure Boo was the strongest because defeating him required the most desperate move (genkidama) and that Potara was not an option, I meant.. As I said in another thread, Potara is so far the best method to use in a desperate situation, it barely has a weakness (unless you are Gohan). Maybe I should remake my point and say it was discarded as option, just like fusion and ganging-up, for the sake of inciting the fair fight's idea. But Mr. Toriyama likes to ^troll surprise his fans, he used the most unfair method to defeat a villain, union power, but left fusion and ganging-up aside because he feels they are more unfair? Very well, no problem then.

Actually, this a new point, but a little off-topic. I understand some people's attitude towards another people's attitude regarding "uncontradicted-character-statements-from-manga-being-the-best-source-of-evidence-we-have-so-far" argument, since I once belonged to the group that thinks the manga says everything I need to back up my interpretation. But the more I read this manga, the more weird I feel about it and character's statements are eventually the epytome of this infortune. For example, @Hitiro, you brought an excelent point about Pure Boo and Goku being weaker than Evil Boo if we consider what Goku said about him not being a match for Evil Boo, but also considering Pure Boo as being so. That is your interpretation after linking two straight-forward sentences that pretty much resolve the debate, I suppose. But look at the context. After reading it, how you feel?

Spoiler:

~We are almost there, but we can't beat (Evil) Boo the way he is now~
~We did it! We can handle him (Pure Boo) now~
~Hey Boo, won't you fight us??? (We can't deflect that!!!)~
~(Earth is destroyed)~
~Ok, we won't use the Potara (because it's unfair), we will fight one at a time (rock-scizzor-paper)~
~Vegeta: I just realized Kakarrot and Boo are above me in strenght, what I was thinking?~
~Goku: I can beat him at full power, but Potara would be a lot easier (what about dance-fusion and teamwork ^{, dumbass}?)
~Oh, we are screwed, Good Boo is helpless, the universe is screwed, let the dragon balls do the job for us!~
~Goku: Yeah, Vegeta. Let's bring Gotenks and Gohan here, so one of them can one-shot him once and for all, you are genius ~
~Vegeta: No, Kakarot. Sometimes the Earthlings must be responsible for themselves, we will suck every bit of their souls to form the most important genkidama in the history ~
~Come on, Goku. You are our last hope, if you fail the universe is over!!!!! ~
~Vegeta: If that (Good) Boo becomes evil again, so the Earth might gone FOREVER~

[Regarder]

Pure Evil: stronger than Pure Buu, weaker than Super Buu (effortlessly and quickly curb-stomped Mr. Buu, who was able to put up a decent fight against Pure Buu).

Could it be that Pure Buu fighting Good/Mr.Buu was only trying as hard as he did against SS2 Vegeta and not how he'd fought against SS3 Goku? Pure Evil certainly wasn't messing around doing tricks with his arm.

[RandomGuy96]

Pure Evil: stronger than Pure Buu, weaker than Super Buu (effortlessly and quickly curb-stomped Mr. Buu, who was able to put up a decent fight against Pure Buu).

Could it be that Pure Buu fighting Good/Mr.Buu was only trying as hard as he did against SS2 Vegeta and not how he'd fought against SS3 Goku? Pure Evil certainly wasn't messing around doing tricks with his arm.

Nah, because as we saw in his fight with Vegeta, Pure Buu doesn't do that kind of toying. He prefers to just make his enemies helpless and beat them into the ground. He's not like Freeza, who will suppress himself and let himself get hurt by attacks that wouldn't do anything to him at full power. Also, he was shown to be scared/cautious of Mr. Buu's attacks, and got pissed off at Mr. Buu for actually putting up a fight (he stopped when Mr. Buu had lost enough power that he could no longer hold his own). By contrast, he was laughing at Vegeta.

[Hitiro]

When I said Pure Boo was the strongest because he was the last form of Boo, I meant he is the definitive form of Boo. Consider the old main villains, excepting Freeza's new evolution that might retcon this specific point. For example, Cell had a buffed transformation and (after vomiting No.18) reverted to his 2nd-form-self and made himself a baloon, so you can be right on this one, but Cell at last showed his final form, which rivals that of Gohan. I think the same could applied here, with the difference that Boo doesn't transform into anything new when he changes back. If Pure Boo is not the strongest form of Boo, then he is an exception in the trend. No problem.

Well, you can say that about Cell but the only reason Cell was stronger in the end was because of the Saiyan's Zenkai ability that increased his strength. Had he come back without this Zenkai then he would be the same strength as he was before. Also, Pure Boo isn't an exception to this trend really. Because as I pointed out earlier there are several villains who show up all throughout the manga that don't have the strength to compare to older villains. So the latest villain isn't necessarily going to be the strongest. Take the "Yo! Son Goku and friends return!" movie for example. Two villains show up with power rivalling Freeza but at this point they are useless because Goku and his friends have already gone on to beat tougher and stronger opponents. Pui-Pui isn't exactly strong either, or Yakon. The only character who could present a challenge is Dabra and as we get told by Goku and Vegeta they could beat him pretty easily now. Forms wise Boo goes through several variations. Ranging from more powerful to weaker. It isn't like he had a set linear progression. He went from Being strong, to being stronger then stronger again. Then weakening because he lost the fusion. Then getting stronger again because of Gohan. Then he returns to Evil Boo which literally weakens him. Then he becomes stronger again for an instance while the S. Kaioshin influence came from him. And then from Goku's point of "We did it." He more than likely got weaker because Goku certainly said they couldn't beat Evil Boo. But now he can beat Pure Boo at his full strength? So his strength fluctuated a lot in the story, it's hard to see why it can't decrease again so that Goku can deal with him. Otherwise Toriyama would have had to find a way to increase Goku's strength again.

When I said Pure Boo is the strongest because he is the most dangerous form of Boo, I meant someone stronger than other is relatively more dangerous, imo. I have a hard time to understand how a weaker form of a character can be more dangerous than his strongest. But again, no problem.

Well, let me put it to you which is the most dangerous person out of an example. A person who has the power to destroy the universe but is so gentle they wouldn't hurt a fly or a person who, if they get the power to destroy the universe, will blow it up immediately. Who do you think is more dangerous?

Sure the person who can destroy the universe is powerful. But if they have no intention of doing it then they are hardly dangerous. But the person who has the full intention of blowing up the universe if he gets the power is an incredibly dangerous individual who should be stopped. Another example would be a convict. A convict would be dangerous. But a martial artist wouldn't be. But the martial artist is the one who has more strength and skill. Sure the martial artist could be dangerous if he had the motivation to be. But he doesn't.

In this example, Evil Boo wants to fight people. And he'll only blow up the world if he is bored. But Pure Boo, who is weaker, doesn't care. He'll blow up the world without any hesitation and move along to the next. The fact that there is nothing restraining Pure Boo from blowing up planets is what makes him so dangerous.

When I said Pure Boo is the strongest because the other forms have Dai Kaioshin's heart weakness, I meant the other Boo (Good Boo)'s weakness. That weakness is spread among all forms of Boo until Pure Boo (with and without South Kaioshin) showed up. So, really, I should review this point. The only that would matter would be the Good Boo.

Right, but the Evil Boo had both the S. Kaioshin and Pure Boo's power here. So you can look at it like this:

Dai Kaioshin: 5

South Kaioshin: 10

Pure Boo: 40

S. Kaioshin Boo: 40 + 10 = 50

Evil Boo: 40 + 10 - 5 = 45

It doesn't matter that Evil Boo is under the influence of the Dai Kaioshin. Because he is getting a boost from the South Kaioshin. Of course Pure Boo loses the Dai Kaioshin influence. But he also lost the boost from the South Kaioshin which was a more positive effect than the negative effect of the Dai Kaioshin influence. So it doesn't matter if Pure Boo hasn't got the weakness. He doesn't have the strength of the South Kaioshin which was powerful enough to boost Evil Boo in the first place.

When I said Pure Boo was the strongest because defeating him required the most desperate move (genkidama) and that Potara was not an option, I meant.. As I said in another thread, Potara is so far the best method to use in a desperate situation, it barely has a weakness (unless you are Gohan). Maybe I should remake my point and say it was discarded as option, just like fusion and ganging-up, for the sake of inciting the fair fight's idea. But Mr. Toriyama likes to ^troll surprise his fans, he used the most unfair method to defeat a villain, union power, but left fusion and ganging-up aside because he feels they are more unfair? Very well, no problem then.

What Toriyama wanted was a memorable way to end the series. But having Goku reach his maximum power and blast Boo away with a single shot isn't very showy. And if Toriyama brought two characters who are more powerful than Goku to fight Pure Boo it is going to be a complete stomp-fest. But using the Genki Dama allows him to get all his friends to contribute, even the ones he met while he was a child due to the dragon balls, produces more tension. Because you think "will they be able to convince everyone on Earth to give their energy?" and using the dragon balls in the end to circle the whole story back to the point that the dragon balls are what made this story and made these characters. If it weren't for them then none of this would have ever happened.

Actually, this a new point, but a little off-topic. I understand some people's attitude towards another people's attitude regarding "uncontradicted-character-statements-from-manga-being-the-best-source-of-evidence-we-have-so-far" argument, since I once belonged to the group that thinks the manga says everything I need to back up my interpretation. But the more I read this manga, the more weird I feel about it and character's statements are eventually the epytome of this infortune. For example, @Hitiro, you brought an excelent point about Pure Boo and Goku being weaker than Evil Boo if we consider what Goku said about him not being a match for Evil Boo, but consider Pure Boo as being so. That is your interpretation after linking two straight-forward sentences that pretty much resolve the debate, I suppose. But look at the context. After reading it, how you feel?

I still feel the same even after reading the context to be honest. I mean, if you want to delve further then if we take Goku's statement about a SSJ Gotenks being able to beat Fat Boo. Then SSJ Gotenks = Suppressed SSJ3 Goku. Then Gotenks needs SSJ3 to fight with Evil Boo. Regardless of peoples opinions about this area. Gotenks should be stronger than SSJ3 Goku while he is SSJ3. We also get a comment from Piccolo saying Boo's ego has been damaged because he has never thought a person who could be his equal. Which puts Evil Boo close to SSJ3 Gotenks. Boo even says later that he could sense Gohan and he couldn't allow someone stronger than him to exist. Which kind of suggests that when he was fighting SSJ3 Gotenks he was trying to prolong the fight and SSJ3 Gotenks wasn't superior to him. So at least we can say it looks a little like this:

SSJ3 Gotenks >= Evil Boo > SSJ3 Goku(Max?) > SSJ Gotenks(Pre-RoSaT) > Fat Boo.

Then we get a statement from Goku that he can beat Pure Boo with his full power. So we get this:

SSJ3 Gotenks >= Evil Boo > SSJ3 Goku(Max?) > Pure Boo > SSJ Gotenks(Pre-RoSaT) > Fat Boo

[Hugo Boss]

@Hitiro

Spoiler:

• You didn't understand the first point at all. Forget about side villains, focus on the main ones. When you depict the strongest forms of Freeza and Cell, what you imagine? Their final forms, of course (Mecha Freeza and Super Perfect Cell). I hope I was clearer this time. Heck, Battle of Gods' plot suggests Vegeta surpassing Goku as it matters as a relevant fact. We had at least two characters that fit in that regard (Gohan and Gotenks). I suppose the plot overlook it.
• How exactly Evil Boo is less willing to destroy a planet than Pure Boo? Just because Pure Boo does it right away? If Pure Boo is weaker than Evil Boo and can be more easily stopped, that wouldn't make him less dangerous in fact? Maybe I'm overthinking the second point.
• Isn't it a fan theory? Is there any evidence that South Kaioshin really added power to Pure Boo? I mean, directly said, not implied. Personally, I view it as absorbing South Kaioshin just changed Pure Boo's look and made him slower. Well, if South Kaioshin is the strongest, he would be the dominant aspect about Boo's look (remember Piccolo and Gotenks), even after he absorbs Dai Kaioshin, which strangely didn't happen. Regarding speed, I think Good Boo and Buff Boo are on equal terms. So while South Kaioshin would decrease Boo's speed, Dai Kaioshin would decrease Boo's power. Also a fan theory.
• Oh, you pretty much resumed what I wanted to say. That is what we should expect before Vegeta announced he had genkidama in his mind, but Goku actually needing his friends' help to save the universe does not make more sense to you than a possibility of a stomping-fest? What if genkidama failed and everyone in the Kaioshin's realm was killed, the universe should really hope something from Gotenks and Gohan? Maybe...
• Honestly? Don't you find anything weird there? It can't be helped, then.

On topic, I think Fat Boo and Skinny Boo should be equally powerful, which would be interesting. So, why it was said the Skinny Boo took most of the power? Simple, because Fat Boo just lost a part of himself to create a clone. Look at his face, he seems like a man who just lost half of his blood. He was dizzy, barely landing a hit on his opponent, almost like he wasn't seeing him at all. Against Pure Boo, Good Boo was brand new.

[singsing]

@Hitiro

Spoiler:

• You didn't understand the first point at all. Forget about side villains, focus on the main ones. When you depict the strongest forms of Freeza and Cell, what you imagine? Their final forms, of course (Mecha Freeza and Super Perfect Cell). I hope I was clearer this time. Heck, Battle of Gods' plot suggests Vegeta surpassing Goku as it matters as a relevant fact. We had at least two characters that fit in that regard (Gohan and Gotenks). I suppose the plot overlook it.
• How exactly Evil Boo is less willing to destroy a planet than Pure Boo? Just because Pure Boo does it right away? If Pure Boo is weaker than Evil Boo and can be more easily stopped, that wouldn't make him less dangerous in fact? Maybe I'm overthinking the second point.
• Isn't it a fan theory? Is there any evidence that South Kaioshin really added power to Pure Boo? I mean, directly said, not implied. Personally, I view it as absorbing South Kaioshin just changed Pure Boo's look and made him slower. Well, if South Kaioshin is the strongest, he would be the dominant aspect about Boo's look (remember Piccolo and Gotenks), even after he absorbs Dai Kaioshin, which strangely didn't happen. Regarding speed, I think Good Boo and Buff Boo are on equal terms. So while South Kaioshin would decrease Boo's speed, Dai Kaioshin would decrease Boo's power. Also a fan theory.
• Oh, you pretty much resumed what I wanted to say. That is what we should expect before Vegeta announced he had genkidama in his mind, but Goku actually needing his friends' help to save the universe does not make more sense to you than a possibility of a stomping-fest? What if genkidama failed and everyone in the Kaioshin's realm was killed, the universe should really hope something from Gotenks and Gohan? Maybe...
• Honestly? Don't you find anything weird there? It can't be helped, then.

On topic, I think Fat Boo and Skinny Boo should be equally powerful, which would be interesting. So, why it was said the Skinny Boo took most of the power? Simple, because Fat Boo just lost a part of himself to create a clone. Look at his face, he seems like a man who just lost half of his blood. He was dizzy, barely landing a hit on his opponent, almost like he wasn't seeing him at all. Against Pure Boo, Good Boo was brand new.

Buu's not a total idiot. If he absorbed someone who made him slower, and thus weaker in combat, he wouldn't be so eager to absorb someone else. If South Kaioshin didn't at least boost him a little bit or give him some sort of combat advantage, he would not want to absorb Dai Kaioshin as well. That's like you training for a marathon and trying out a new diet, and getting a 5 hour run time when your PR was 3 hours. You wouldn't say "hey, that diet was great! I'm gonna do it again so I can get even slower!"

[Hugo Boss]

Are you saying someone who acts in a tarzan-esque way is not a "total idiot"? Though, I think that's not exactly a respectful word to use to refer to his character.

[Hitiro]

You didn't understand the first point at all. Forget about side villains, focus on the main ones. When you depict the strongest forms of Freeza and Cell, what you imagine? Their final forms, of course (Mecha Freeza and Super Perfect Cell). I hope I was clearer this time. Heck, Battle of Gods' plot suggests Vegeta surpassing Goku as it matters as a relevant fact. We had at least two characters that fit in that regard (Gohan and Gotenks). I suppose the plot overlook it.

Well, you say this but Boo is completely different from Cell and Freeza. His power fluctuates throughout the arc. If Piccolo+Boo had been the final form that Boo took would you still say his final form was the strongest form? As far as the Vegeta surpassing Goku point. It didn't overlook Gohan and Gotenks. The point Kame-sen'nin was trying to make that Vegeta had finally surpassed Goku, which was Vegeta's aspiration. In all of the arcs, by the end, Goku was always considered the strongest. Vegeta was always playing catch-up.

How exactly Evil Boo is less willing to destroy a planet than Pure Boo? Just because Pure Boo does it right away? If Pure Boo is weaker than Evil Boo and can be more easily stopped, that wouldn't make him less dangerous in fact? Maybe I'm overthinking the second point.

How is Pure Boo easier to stop exactly? Did you not see the exact scene everybody else did where they tried to get Boo to fight them only for him to destroy the planet? Was he easy to stop in this scene? Not really. Pure Boo is dangerous because of the way he acts. He is unpredictable. At least with Evil Boo he would fight them before destroying Earth. Something that didn't happen with Pure Boo. Pure Boo could have just destroyed every planet in the universe and Goku and Vegeta would not have been able to stop him. So how is he easier to stop? They certainly couldn't fight Boo if all he cared about was destroying planets because by the time they could do enough damage the planet they would be fighting him on would be gone and as we know from the story Saiyan's can't survive in vacuums.

Isn't it a fan theory? Is there any evidence that South Kaioshin really added power to Pure Boo? I mean, directly said, not implied. Personally, I view it as absorbing South Kaioshin just changed Pure Boo's look and made him slower. Well, if South Kaioshin is the strongest, he would be the dominant aspect about Boo's look (remember Piccolo and Gotenks), even after he absorbs Dai Kaioshin, which strangely didn't happen. Regarding speed, I think Good Boo and Buff Boo are on equal terms. So while South Kaioshin would decrease Boo's speed, Dai Kaioshin would decrease Boo's power. Also a fan theory.

Is there any evidence that S. Kaioshin increased Boo's power? Considering when he turned into Buff boo Goku noted his strength had increase. Then yes. I would say so. Why would you assume that South Kaioshin did nothing except for change his size exactly? All absorptions apart from the Dai Kaioshin have been confirmed to increase his power. Unless the South Kaioshin decreased Boo's power then the alternative, which makes more sense, is that S. Kaioshin increased his power. Because we don't even have an example of his power remaining the same after an absorption. You can choose to believe that the S. Kaioshin didn't add anything to Boo except muscles but it is a much more unlikely scenario than South Kaioshin causing an increase or a decrease in Boo's power. I mean if you look at it from a probability perspective then Boo has absorbed 5 people. 1 is confirmed to decrease his power. 1 we can't confirm and the 3 others increased his power. From that we get these percentages.

75%(3/4) Chance that S. Kaioshin increased his power.
25%(1/4) Chance that S. Kaioshin decreased his power.
0% (0/4) Currently the chance that S. Kaioshin caused no increase or decrease in his power.

Oh, you pretty much resumed what I wanted to say. That is what we should expect before Vegeta announced he had genkidama in his mind, but Goku actually needing his friends' help to save the universe does not make more sense to you than a possibility of a stomping-fest? What if genkidama failed and everyone in the Kaioshin's realm was killed, the universe should really hope something from Gotenks and Gohan? Maybe...

If the Genki Dama failed then it would be up to the two strongest characters in the story to finish off Boo. But then it depends on if Boo just doesn't blow his way across the universe destroying everything before they get a chance to fight. At this point, if Goku died like in your example, the only person who could teleport is Kibitoshin. And he was out of Ki after transporting Dende, Bi and the Rou Kaioshin to Namek. Meanwhile while the Kibitoshin is recovering his Ki, Pure Boo could be making his way to every planet and destroying it. It pretty much is a stomping-fest if Gohan or Gotenks could fight Pure Boo because they both exceed his strength.

On topic, I think Fat Boo and Skinny Boo should be equally powerful, which would be interesting. So, why it was said the Pure Evil(Grey) Boo took most of the power? Simple, because Fat Boo just lost a part of himself to create a clone. Look at his face, he seems like a man who just lost half of his blood. He was dizzy, barely landing a hit on his opponent, almost like he wasn't seeing him at all. Against Pure Boo, Good Boo was brand new.

Or, Skinny Boo was a manifestation of Pure Boo's power. Because Pure Boo is going to be above a Boo that only has S. Kaioshin + Dai Kaioshin in his body.

Are you saying someone who acts in a tarzan-esque way is not a "total idiot"? Though, I think that's not exactly a respectful word to use to refer to his character.

Pure Boo isn't stupid really, he learnt Kai-Kai instantly and he was clever enough to know that a, less than 100%, SSJ3 Goku's attacks weren't doing much to him so he was messing about and dragging the fight out. Toying with Goku. And like I pointed out before, even if Boo is stupid, no matter how stupid he may be all living creatures understand the concept of avoiding poisonous or detrimental elements to their bodies. If a monkey eats something that makes it sick for several days it knows not to eat that thing again. Single cell organisms even understand at a basic level to avoid certain things that would harm or affect them in a negative way. No matter how much you down-play Pure Boo's intelligence, apart from being a literal vegetable(Which we know he isn't) there is no way for him not to understand the concept of the Kaioshin's effecting him negatively.