Official On-Going DBZ 2015 Movie Thread: "Resurrection 'F'"

[Chuquita]

It was that quick jump back into ssjg form on his own at the end of the movie that had me questioning.
Honestly, I want to see ssjg Gokû for similar reasons to why people will want to see ssj1/2/3: I like how Gokû's ssjg form looks, and I like that fiery aura its got, so I want to see more of it. I have no in-universe motivation for it, it's all strictly meta-reasons.

[Low Tone G]

It would be strange if he went SSGod in the movie considering he absorbed the power, but it's not impossible I suppose, since he did it at the end of the last movie. If he's going to continue using SS1 as Toriyama caimed in his Saikyō Jump interview, wouldn't SS1 + God = a ridiculously stronger version of SSGod? Or will it do nothing at all like in BoG? If the latter, what's the point?

Goku went SSj to due his despair, not that he then knew what had done before, but still transformed. So even if he went SSJ in BOG, that didn't increase his power. Maybe a bit it did, because Goku said had held back, so maybe he decided to go 100% in that moment when he went SSJ. Fighting in base it's safer, because it is his most stable form, and can fight longer than in SSJ. Maybe Toriyama meant that the SSJ it's almost the same balanced like his base form. I personally can add something to that: If he goes SSJ having SSJ-God power absorbed, and if the SSJ from means almost the same energy mantaining conditions(Goku and Gohan made thair SSJ1 forms very useful in long battles with acceptable energy loss back in the Cell saga) like the Base, then as the transformation bulks him up a bit, it would make him a little bit more resistant physically. It's just a theory of mine.

[EmmaWinters]

Goku went SSj to due his despair ... So even if he went SSJ in BOG, that didn't increase his power. Maybe a bit it did

That doesn't really make sense to me at all. The only explanation I can think of that does is that god ki isn't amplified by a Super Saiyan transformation.

[Low Tone G]

Goku went SSj to due his despair ... So even if he went SSJ in BOG, that didn't increase his power. Maybe a bit it did

That doesn't really make sense to me at all. The only explanation I can think of that does is that god ki isn't amplified by a Super Saiyan transformation.

Goku was about to be totally overwhelmed by Beerus, so he wanted to go 100%, which caused him to transform into SSJ accidentally. I can agree with you that his God Ki wasn't amplified then by SSJ transformation, but maybe he went all out as he held himself back before at 80% power. We could see very well that he put up a better fight after they came out from the cave.

[KentalSSJ6]

He can likely use half its power in base and SSJ brings it out to 100%. Explains why SSJ2 and SSJ3 wont be used anymore, or likely wont be.

[Friezacooler]

So it is gone be 9 against 1000+ warriors

[ssjjanemba]

So it is gone be 9 against 1000+ warriors

1000+ weak warriors.

[SaiyanZ]

Man, Goku not going SSJ is odd, but not bad by any means. I wonder what the reason is though, and if it only applies to regular SSJ or the other forms as well.

Didn't Freeza say something about being trained by his parents when Goku kicked him through 2 islands?

[DragonBoxZTheMovies]

Didn't Freeza say something about being trained by his parents when Goku kicked him through 2 islands?

I think that was only in the dub of Kai. I believe the original did say something similar, but it was less specific and didn't refer to any training. I could be wrong though.

Kuririn as a cop, huh? I wonder what the Great Saiyaman will have to say about this. Could make for some interesting interactions. I'm absolutely stoked at this inclusion; on one hand, it sounds like the useless Toriyama Q&A tidbits are making their way into actual material, but on the other, it sounds like we're finally gonna a get a little bit more insight into these characters' every day lives. This was something I had been really hoping for in BOG, so I like the way this is going.

Freeza training for the first time really makes sense to me, since his whole life has been built around his freakish natural ability and I can't wait to see what sort of themes this generates in the final film. Maybe Freeza will see the light like Vegeta has and-and train only to better himself and, ugh...I hope not. So I'm gonna makes a guess and say that he acquires his new transformation through training...still, I think he'll receive another power-up from an external source.

[EmmaWinters]

Didn't Freeza say something about being trained by his parents when Goku kicked him through 2 islands?

I think that was only in the dub of Kai. I believe the original did say something similar, but it was less specific and didn't refer to any training. I could be wrong though.

he states that he's never had to "dust off" after anyone besides his parents. Fighting was implied.

[Kamiccolo9]

Didn't Freeza say something about being trained by his parents when Goku kicked him through 2 islands?

I think that was only in the dub of Kai. I believe the original did say something similar, but it was less specific and didn't refer to any training. I could be wrong though.

he states that he's never had to "dust off" after anyone besides his parents. Fighting was implied.

Or abuse. Or discipline.

[ArchedThunder]

I don't get why Goku wouldn't go SSJ, didn't he master the form so he doesn't lose ki?

[KentalSSJ6]

Gohan - Saiyaman No1

Videl - Saiyaman No2

Krillin Saiyaman No1/2

[Friezacooler]

1000+ weak warriors.[/quote]

That is if there aren't any Guldo like villains in the team lol.

[goku the krump dancer]

I can't imagine Freeza doing push ups and sit ups under 1000G.. He'll probably have a different method of training like Dabra had his Meditation Chamber in the Boo arc filler.

[Unicorn_Bazooka]

I think people are missing a very likely explanation for the SSJ form's disappearance.
I don't know if this has anything to do with the SSJG power's absorption, but I have a theory of my own.

Now I have no idea what kind of a wish Sorbet and Tagoma EXACTLY are going to make, but it's been told several times that the wish has for some reason altered history.
Frieza is the one who caused the sort of "Super Saiyan wave" to go off in the original series.
If the wish somehow alters the moments before Goku becomes a Super Saiyan against Frieza, then that would mean the near complete lack of any Saiyans in the series being able to turn SSJ. (Or at least Goku and Vegeta not being able to, I haven't thought this far enough yet )

If Goku wouldn't be able to transform in this alternate timeline, then that would mean the same for Vegeta as well. Why? Namek Saga clearly shows Vegeta's strong will of wanting to become a Super Saiyan, but Goku achieving the form before him is really what I think made him ultimately attain the form himself. After realising that Goku had become one first, Vegeta became incredibly jealous and bitter about it, and pushed himself to the absolute limits during training, and after nearly giving up, finally gets the reward.

As for Gohan, I'm not that sure. I think that his first transformation could've happened even without the timeline disruption, but I don't know if the disruption would've indirectly changed their time entering RoSaT.
This may be the reason that Gohan was shown as SSJ in the trailer.

Goten and Trunks' transformation would've also been impossible, since their fathers could not have possibly have the SSJ gene in this timeline.
(I also don't know if they're completely missing from the movie, or they're just coincidentally left out of the poster art/trailer)


This proves absolutely nothing, but to me it seems like a very logical explanation.

[EmmaWinters]

Now I have no idea what kind of a wish Sorbet and Tagoma EXACTLY are going to make, but it's been told several times that the wish has for some reason altered history.

"History" came from 史上, which was used in the tagline of the movie, which Kanzenshuu translated as:

史上最悪の願い。それは、絶望の始まり。
The worst wish in history. That is the beginning of despair.

史上最悪 just means that the wish made is "historically bad", the worst to date.
There's nothing about changing history, unless you know something that I don't.

[Friezacooler]

a wish changing history would do future trunks good lol. Nahh sounds to overpowered for Shenron haha.

[Unicorn_Bazooka]

Now I have no idea what kind of a wish Sorbet and Tagoma EXACTLY are going to make, but it's been told several times that the wish has for some reason altered history.

"History" came from 史上, which was used in the tagline of the movie, which Kanzenshuu translated as:

史上最悪の願い。それは、絶望の始まり。
The worst wish in history. That is the beginning of despair.

史上最悪 just means that the wish made is "historically bad", the worst to date.
There's nothing about changing history, unless you know something that I don't.

I'm pretty sure that someone else mentioned the change in history on this thread, so I kinda went by that.
But there's always the possibility that I'm wrong, of course.

[TheDevilsCorpse]

There is nothing official founding the idea. It's just fan speculation based on the facts that Gohan looks different, Kuririn is bald and in a dogi again, Goten and Trunks are nowhere to be seen, and the statement that Freeza isn't "just " revived and that something else happens, etc. Though that latter bit is probably the training and possibly God transformation (or whatever he has up his sleeve).