FUNi/Toei Comparisons

Blitzen · Post by **Blitzen** » Sat Oct 07, 2006 1:46 am

Great Saiyaman wrote:You cannot re-make something like DBZ, you as a DBZ fan should feel ashamed to have said that.

HAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

I seriously cannot believe you just said that. I mean seriously, everything can be remade (not nessecerally re-imagined). I would have honestly prefered a new interpretation to the series rather than rendering part of the original series moot by replacing the script and music. The fact you're defending obvious and blatant disregard for the original work to such an extent is horrendously arrogant, but calling someone else out on their fandom? Puh-lease.

The Dub's music spices things up, it makes the scenes more exciting to watch.

If you're 12. Are you 12? That's who they're spicing it up for.

The reason they cannot/will not change back is simple, the American market likes what they've heard, you can't just all of the sudden change it. If you wanna hear JP music, listen to the JP Track.

Yes you can, but as I said, I don't want them to completely remove it, I'd just like an alternate, accurate version (IN ENGLISH) made available (no, this does not include a subtitled version).

A real DBZ fan should find it fun to see DBZ in new perspectives

I do, it's just FUNimation's perspective doesn't benefit the series in any way for me, since I am not a 12 year old.

I enjoy watching JP from time-to-time, though I far prefer the Dub. It's not always about what came first.

But it always comes back to it.

Hardy Har Har

Hey, it was your ridiculous comparison to begin with.

Curious, Corey, before the Platinum releases, wasn't EVA saturated all to hell?

Nope. It was really very bland and interlaced and jittery. Pretty terrible. While the Platinum/Renewal version does have more vibrant colours, the big difference is that the Plat/Renewal colours were actually altered by hand. They were properly corrected and treated. DBZ's saturation is simply a filter with no regards to the original colour composition.

Great Saiyaman · Post by **Great Saiyaman** » Sat Oct 07, 2006 1:51 am

I seriously cannot believe you just said that. I mean seriously, everything can be remade (not nessecerally re-imagined). I would have honestly prefered a new interpretation to the series rather than rendering part of the original series moot by replacing the script and music. The fact you're defending obvious and blatant disregard for the original work to such an extent is horrendously arrogant, but calling someone else out on their fandom? Puh-lease

Nevermind, I thought you meant a series similar to DBZ, like new characters but same plot line. I wouldn't mind a new series that re-plays the series in like an alternate dimension.

If you're 12. Are you 12? That's who they're spicing it up for.

You don't need to be 12 to enjoy good music.

Yes you can, but as I said, I don't want them to completely remove it, I'd just like an alternate, accurate version (IN ENGLISH) made available (no, this does not include a subtitled version).

Well now that's a good idea.....Dub Music version & a JP Music version.

I do, it's just FUNimation's perspective doesn't benefit the series in any way for me, since I am not a 12 year old.

You're right, you're not 12...all the fun in you is gone....now you're a stingy old man.

Blitzen · Post by **Blitzen** » Sat Oct 07, 2006 1:54 am

Great Saiyaman wrote:You don't need to be 12 to enjoy good music.

But you need to be 12 to appreciate Faulconers/whatevers music.

Well now that's a good idea.....Dub Music version & a JP Music version.

Not just that, but make the scripts different too.

you're not 12...all the fun in you is gone....now you're a stingy old man.

There's fun in me, I just dont appreciate tasteless desicions in something I grew up with.

Great Saiyaman · Post by **Great Saiyaman** » Sat Oct 07, 2006 1:56 am

But you need to be 12 to appreciate Faulconers/whatevers music.

There's fun in me, I just dont appreciate tasteless desicions in something I grew up with

*sigh* There's just no talking to you purists...oh well, I enjoy being a dickhead about the Dub just like you do about the JP

Not just that, but make the scripts different too.

For the early stuff that might be a good idea, but most of FUNi's translations from everything past the Freeza Saga are pretty acurate.

Blitzen · Post by **Blitzen** » Sat Oct 07, 2006 1:59 am

Great Saiyaman wrote: *sigh* There's just no talking to you purists...oh well, I enjoy being a dickhead about the Dub just like you do about the JP

I'm not the one being a dickhead about it though. Subsequently I'm not a purist. I just don't appreciate stupid desicions (if they were going to change the music they could've used something with I dunno, actual rythym or instruments? Not just some guy with a casio keyboard and electric guitar smalling out whatever sounds "cool-edgywise")

Not just that, but make the scripts different too.

For the early stuff that might be a good idea, but most of FUNi's translations from everything past the Freeza Saga are pretty acurate.

Except they've tried to fill nearly every moment with non-stop banter. That's not really a good thing.

Great Saiyaman · Post by **Great Saiyaman** » Sat Oct 07, 2006 2:01 am

They weren't bad decisions, all of the songs in the Dub are far more suited for a series like DBZ. More than half of the fighting BGM doesn't sound strong enough to be in the greatest fighting series of all time.

I hate silent moments, the talking is fine, it has no bearring on the actual storyline.

Blitzen · Post by **Blitzen** » Sat Oct 07, 2006 2:18 am

Great Saiyaman wrote:They weren't bad decisions, all of the songs in the Dub are far more suited for a series like DBZ. More than half of the fighting BGM doesn't sound strong enough to be in the greatest fighting series of all time.

Desicions were okay, I guess. How they were executed, on the other hand, were pretty awful. I mean, the actors they had gotten hadn't ever done VA work before, especially on an Anime, and I doubt Faulconer had ever done anything like that before (let alone compose music, to be honest). The Japanese music is old, sure, but you'll notice that among a lot of 80's show. Why? It's the 80s, and if you're able to hear music (which you might not since you're even admitting you LIKE the Faulconer/etc score) you'll notice there's actually rythym and composition in a lot of the JP pieces. Not all, but more than the US score, which is simply someone with a casio keyboard going crazytown.

I hate silent moments, the talking is fine, it has no bearring on the actual storyline.

If it's simply there to tell the story, we'd have someone sitting there reading the manga out to us and showing us the pictures, like in preschool.

You're stubborn about this, I know, so I'm going to leave it.

Great Saiyaman · Post by **Great Saiyaman** » Sat Oct 07, 2006 2:46 am

Regardless of experience, every VA they chose was well talented & was able to provite an extremely suting voice for the character. Unlike Japaneese Adult Goku. Regardless of it's age, it's just not the type of Anime that can blend well with that music, it's all too soft toned in the most crucial fighting scenes. The dub gives great music in all the best scenes with plenty of rythm. It all flows in the dub. The JP music is almost forced. Look, I'm all for old music, I'm a big fan of Lupin The III, but Lupin's music suits a series like his....Z cannot compare to the Dub's superiority in any type of fighting music.

Castor Troy · Post by **Castor Troy** » Sat Oct 07, 2006 2:52 am

Blitzen wrote:But you need to be 12 to appreciate Faulconers/whatevers music.

No, you just need to be high.

Super Sonic · Post by **Super Sonic** » Sat Oct 07, 2006 3:52 am

I have to say, I prefer "Ginyu Transformation" over some of what plays in scenes where it plays in the Japanese version. (If they only brought it back for when Vegeta got blasted by the Spirit Bomb).

Back on the topic of Dragonboxes, those are only really for those who are familiar with the story. You wouldn't give it as a gift to a person who wasn't familiar with it. Especially one who didn't speak a word of Japanese.

laserkid · Post by **laserkid** » Sat Oct 07, 2006 3:52 am

Good fucking lord people. Stop going at eachothers throats over this. It's called a diffrence in preffrence, neither is right or wrong just a diffrent way to look at images. There is NO reason to jump at eachother back and forth over four pages over it. From everything I've seen the FUNimation DVDs look brighter but are more affected by grain and digital distortions. Though from owning most of them I do highly disagree that the animation quality stinks (My only complaint is the lack of dual layer on cells death scene to prevent the bright saturation pixel effect of doom).

But ultimatly to each his own. Theres no need to be calling eachother fucking morons here. we're all Dragon Ball fans, and thats really all that counts. We may have diffrent tastes in diffrent areas but that doesn't make someone invalid for disagreeing with you.

This board IS better then this, so chill out, the lot of you.

Blitzen · Post by **Blitzen** » Sat Oct 07, 2006 8:32 am

laserkid wrote:Good fucking lord people. Stop going at eachothers throats over this. It's called a diffrence in preffrence, neither is right or wrong just a diffrent way to look at images.

This isn't a question of art (in regards to pictures) which is a very subjective issue when being dealt with by people who aren't expert-to-expert. This is a technical issue that is very clear cut.

(My only complaint is the lack of dual layer on cells death scene to prevent the bright saturation pixel effect of doom).

3-4 episodes a disc do not require dual-layered discs, they require compotent authoring. This was not the case.

But ultimatly to each his own. Theres no need to be calling eachother fucking morons here. we're all Dragon Ball fans, and thats really all that counts. We may have diffrent tastes in diffrent areas but that doesn't make someone invalid for disagreeing with you.

This board IS better then this, so chill out, the lot of you.

Make sure everyone agrees with each other okaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaayplz

Chibi Mystic Gohan · Post by **Chibi Mystic Gohan** » Sat Oct 07, 2006 10:54 am

Great Saiyaman wrote:You don't need to be 12 to enjoy good music.

Yeah, because Faulconer's CDs sell so ridiculously well, right?

Seriously, any non dub loving person can tell you that that crap isn't real music. Heck, my dad's made fun of it before (no, I don't watch the dub, but my brother enjoys it).

Victator Supreme · Post by **Victator Supreme** » Sat Oct 07, 2006 11:13 am

So sales equal quality?

Some of the music in the dub was very bad. But there are some that were very good. Its beyond me how anybody could hate the music in the Buu saga dub.

In all I would prefer the original soundtrack overall. Because there is no suitable subsitute for the song when Gohan goes Super Saiyan 2, and Battle Power Infinity.

Tanooki Kuribo · Post by **Tanooki Kuribo** » Sat Oct 07, 2006 11:49 am

Speaking of the Dragonbox...

http://cgi.ebay.com/DragonBox-The-Movie ... dZViewItem

fps_anth · Post by **fps_anth** » Sat Oct 07, 2006 12:00 pm

Ahh! You're selling the Movies Box?!?! I'd buy it if I had a job, but for now..I can't.

As for this whole animation discussion, get some Dragonbox footage. It is simply better then the Funimation footage when it's in action.

Tanooki Kuribo · Post by **Tanooki Kuribo** » Sat Oct 07, 2006 12:21 pm

Ahh! You're selling the Movies Box?!?!

I have to many of the same things.

Castor Troy · Post by **Castor Troy** » Sat Oct 07, 2006 12:33 pm

Tanooki Kuribo wrote:
Ahh! You're selling the Movies Box?!?!
I have to many of the same things.

Did you buy 2?

I was thinking of doing that during amazon japan's special sale...

Sebastian (SB) · Post by **Sebastian (SB)** » Sat Oct 07, 2006 2:43 pm

Great Saiyaman wrote:Regardless of experience, every VA they chose was well talented & was able to provite an extremely suting voice for the character. Unlike Japaneese Adult Goku.

Woah, ho, ho, ho Boy...git er' up cause is about that time. *Loads up valid arguement*

Let me start off by saying I respect your opinion & admire your love for the dub. I love FUNi's VAs & being able to distribute anime to the US worldwide, so what that said "Thank You". However it can only so far (just look at my sig). The reason for Masako Nozawa continuing her for Son Goku is simple, she's been doing for 153 episodes before & besides that do you really thing 8-13 year olds are really to complain for Son Goku's voice sounding high pitched? Hell they might not even notice it sounding so high pitched because Nozawa's been doing it for 153 episodes before hand. I understand your arguement, but there's no need to attack another version to validate it. Masako Nozawa has been voice acting well before your day & time, so drop it. For a female seiyuu, her capacity for voice acting is very impressive. She's been in the field long before your day & time. If you still feel that Nozawa's is too high pitched before saying all this, I respect that, but you should just leave it at that.

There's always unseemingly direct attacks at Nozawa's voice acting capabilities. I'd appreciate it if you just left at perhaps "I don't feel Nozawa suits Adult Son Goku", rather than forcing your opinion on others cause quite frankly that's what I feel that has been done on this topic, more so sone times by others on this topic as well. The moment you came in you were pretty insistent on getting your opinion out there. The topic at hand was about FUNi/ Dragon Box quality comparison. Then for reasons provided below, it excelled to something a little out of topic, then kinda went overboard. I appreciate your admiration & insight on the dubs, but it's not gonna change anything.

Chibi Mystic Gohan · Post by **Chibi Mystic Gohan** » Sat Oct 07, 2006 3:12 pm

Tanooki Kuribo wrote:
Ahh! You're selling the Movies Box?!?!
I have to many of the same things.

Do you have extras of the others? Because I'd be willing to buy them all as soon as I find a job (assuming they were reasonably priced).