The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by Angelus » Wed Dec 24, 2014 1:31 am

Oh!! I thought it was 5th form Cooler + Final Form Frieza.

If it's 4th form, then Vegito takes this.

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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by Kaboom » Wed Dec 24, 2014 1:40 am

Lord Beerus wrote:SSJ3 Goku vs SSJ Gotenks (No time limit on transformations or fusion)
Fat Buu w/o Pure Boo vs Dabra
— Pre-RoSaT Gotenks gets his butt whooped easily. Post-RoSaT Gotenks gets his butt whooped somewhat less easily.
— So basically Mr. Boo as he was when he fought Pure Boo? Well regardless of whether he lost over half his power, or somehow kept or regained it at some point, he's still much more powerful than Dabra who could only evenly contend with SS1 Gohan. Boo wins easily.
SSJ2FutureGohan wrote:SS Gotenks [post] vs. Super Janemba
Gotenks gets horribly and brutally defeated. Not even in a funny way like with Fat Gogeta. It's just... gruesomely one-sided. Like Freeza Vs Nail.
SSJ2FutureGohan wrote:USSJ Future Trunks (No speed loss) vs. SSJ Kid Trunks (pre-rosat) or (post-rosat)
If Trunks somehow doesn't suffer Grade 3's speed penalty, then as the more experienced and skilled fighter he beats his younger self without too much difficulty, despite them being similar in power.
SSJ2FutureGohan wrote:MSSJ Goten [post-rosat] vs. MSSJ Goku [CG]
Even if SS Goten is on this level of power, he's not even half as skilled and resourceful a fighter as his dad. Goku spanks his doppelganger spawn and sends him to bed without dinner.
Darkron2151 wrote:Super Saiyan Trunks (EOZ) vs. East Kaioshin (Buu Arc)
Hypothetical Kaio-Ken x20 Piccolo (Buu Arc) vs. Super Saiyan 3 Goku (Buu Arc/Alive)
Yamshinhan (Yamcha/Tenshinhan Potara Fusion :| ) (Cell Saga) vs. 100% Fourth (True) Form Freeza
100% Fourth (True) Form Coozer (Cooler/Freeza Potara Fusion :| ) vs. Super Saiyan Vegetto (Freeza Saga)
— Hard to tell how much stronger, if at all, Trunks may have become. Either way, I bet his skills are rusty, and so if Kaioshin doesn't puss out for some reason, he'll win.
— By my make-believe numbers, they amusingly end up exactly even. However, the Kaio-Ken x20 is a lot more draining and self-damaging than Super Saiyan 3. Piccolo gets a few good hits in, but can't do enough damage, and is left worn-out and helpless against a Goku who's still got plenty of energy left.
— By combining their power through the extreme might of Potara Fusion, Tenshinhan and Yamcha... finally break a power level of 1 million. They then get effortlessly murdered by 100% Freeza who's more or less a hundred times stronger than that.
— 100% Freeza and 100% Coola would be weaker than SS Goku and SS Vegeta, respectively. So even if the "Goku and Vegeta make awesome Fusions" factor isn't a thing yet, Vegetto still ends up at least moderately stronger and ultimately wins. Heck, it might even play out a lot like Goku Vs Freeza did.
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SSJ2FutureGohan wrote:Base Vegetto vs. Super Saiyan 3 Gogeta (no strain)
Vegetto would himself have to be an SS3 to beat SS3 Gogeta.
Seconded. I think SS2 Vegetto Vs SS3 Gogeta would be a pretty closely-matched fight.
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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by Saiga » Wed Dec 24, 2014 1:51 am

Super Saiyan Trunks (EOZ) vs. East Kaioshin (Buu Arc)
Hard for me to tell. I think Trunks would have improved a fair bit over the time skip myself, and eventually become stronger than Kaioshin. But guidebooks would suggest otherwise, and I don't think he would win if he stayed around his Boo arc level.
Hypothetical Kaio-Ken x20 Piccolo (Buu Arc) vs. Super Saiyan 3 Goku (Buu Arc/Alive)
Goku wins easily, even if Piccolo could maintain the KK20.
Yamshinhan (Yamcha/Tenshinhan Potara Fusion :| ) (Cell Saga) vs. 100% Fourth (True) Form Freeza
Yamshinhan is effortlessly dispatched of.
100% Fourth (True) Form Coozer (Cooler/Freeza Potara Fusion :| ) vs. Super Saiyan Vegetto (Freeza Saga)
It's hard to say who would be more compatible between Coola/Freeza and Goku/Vegeta. Vegetto wouldn't be anywhere near the increase he is in the Boo arc due to the gap between Goku and Vegeta, and I don't know how strong Cooler is supposed to be. Possibly weaker than Freeza before adopting his super form. If so, I'd say Vegetto would have this. If Coola's actually stronger, it might end up in Coozer's favour.
Might've done this before, but;

Base Vegetto vs. Super Saiyan 3 Gogeta (no strain)
Vegetto gets utterly wrecked without Super Saiyan. Super Saiyan Gogeta would beat his base form.
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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by Darkron2151 » Wed Dec 24, 2014 1:55 am

Kaboom wrote: By combining their power through the extreme might of Potara Fusion, Tenshinhan and Yamcha... finally break a power level of 1 million. They then get effortlessly murdered by 100% Freeza who's more or less a hundred times stronger than that.
Angelus wrote: With the replies I have been getting about potara fusion being that insane... then I say Yamshinhan.
Saiga wrote: Yamshinhan is effortlessly dispatched of.
:| ......*Note to Self: Until there's a clear distintion on how strong the humans really are (whether in the low thousands or low millions or somewhere in-between, no more match-ups with them. It gets me nowhere.*

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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by SSJ2FutureGohan » Wed Dec 24, 2014 1:58 am

Darkron2151 wrote:
Kaboom wrote: By combining their power through the extreme might of Potara Fusion, Tenshinhan and Yamcha... finally break a power level of 1 million. They then get effortlessly murdered by 100% Freeza who's more or less a hundred times stronger than that.
:| ......*Note to Self: Until there's a clear distintion on how strong the humans really are (whether in the low thousands or low millions or somewhere in-between, no more match-ups with them. It gets me nowhere.*
They should be the low millions. Kuririn and Tenshinhan atleast. The fact that they even bothered showing up to fight the Androids means something in my book. It may also be my Kuririn bias, but I can see Kuririn (Android arc) >= 2nd form Freeza at least

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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by Angelus » Wed Dec 24, 2014 2:00 am

Kaboom wrote:— 100% Freeza and 100% Coola would be weaker than SS Goku and SS Vegeta, respectively. So even if the "Goku and Vegeta make awesome Fusions" factor isn't a thing yet, Vegetto still ends up at least moderately stronger and ultimately wins. Heck, it might even play out a lot like Goku Vs Freeza did.
I thought Darkron meant that SSJ Goku and Base Vegeta in the Freeza arc will fuse. They could fuse in base and go SSJ.. either or. I didn't know both Vegeta and Goku would be SSJs and then fuse to be a SSJ Vegito. If that was the case, then SSJ Vegito wins.

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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by Darkron2151 » Wed Dec 24, 2014 2:04 am

Angelus wrote: I thought Darkron meant that SSJ Goku and Base Vegeta in the Freeza arc will fuse. They could fuse in base and go SSJ.. either or. I didn't know both Vegeta and Goku would be SSJs and then fuse to be a SSJ Vegito. If that was the case, then SSJ Vegito wins.
I actually meant Base Goku and Base Vegeta :lol: , mostly due to Elder Kaioshin's advisement on NOT to transform before you use the potara.

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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by Angelus » Wed Dec 24, 2014 2:24 am

But did you mean that Vegeta could turn SSJ before fusing with Goku? Because if you meant Freeza arc base Vegeta, then that's not what Kaboom was thinking of.

And here's a match up

Octopapa + Roshi (first appearance) Potara Fusion VS 23rd WMAT Chi Chi, Bulma, Blonde Launch, Maron, Videl (post-Gohan training), Erasa, Ranfan, and Mai
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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by Kaboom » Wed Dec 24, 2014 2:31 am

I assumed it meant base Goku and base Vegeta from the final fight with Freeza using the Potara, and then going Super Saiyan as Vegetto. Same result as if they'd both (hypothetically in Vegeta's case) transformed first and then merged.
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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by Darkron2151 » Wed Dec 24, 2014 2:55 am

Kaboom wrote:I assumed it meant base Goku and base Vegeta from the final fight with Freeza using the Potara, and then going Super Saiyan as Vegetto. Same result as if they'd both (hypothetically in Vegeta's case) transformed first and then merged.
Pretty much :lol: .
Angelus wrote: Kibito Kai VS End of Z SSJ Trunks and Goten
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Kibitoshin clears the gauntlet. He's at Low-SSJ2 Level IMO and he has magic. Two Rusty Super Saiyans aint gonna do nothin' :lol: .

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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by mysticboy » Wed Dec 24, 2014 5:27 am

Darkron2151 wrote:It's been a while since I last gave some Match-Ups, so let's do this.
  • Super Saiyan Trunks (EOZ) vs. East Kaioshin (Buu Arc)

    Hypothetical Kaio-Ken x20 Piccolo (Buu Arc) vs. Super Saiyan 3 Goku (Buu Arc/Alive)

    Yamshinhan (Yamcha/Tenshinhan Potara Fusion :| ) (Cell Saga) vs. 100% Fourth (True) Form Freeza

    100% Fourth (True) Form Coozer (Cooler/Freeza Potara Fusion :| ) vs. Super Saiyan Vegetto (Freeza Saga)
  1. -I have EoZ Trunks equal to post 1st RoSaT Future Trunks, so I think it could go either way.
    -If Piccolo could maintain it he should win with moderate difficulty. I have him at SSJ1 Gohan's level, so Fat Buu is 4x stronger him, and SSJ3 Goku is 4x stronger than Fat Buu. So a KKx16 Piccolo should make for a somewhat even fight.
    -Freeza one shots him
    -Coozer one shots him

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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by Lord Beerus » Wed Dec 24, 2014 2:26 pm

Bojack vs Dabra

Meta Cooler vs Mecha Freeza

Base Gotenks (Post ROSAT and no limit on fusion) vs Android 16, 17 and 18 (Gauntlet style)

Super Namek Piccolo (Post ROSAT) vs SSJ Vegeta (Post ROSAT)

King Cold vs Kaioken Namek Goku (Pre Zenkai)

Pefect Cell vs East Kai

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Lord Beerus wrote:Bojack vs Dabra

Meta Cooler vs Mecha Freeza

Base Gotenks (Post ROSAT and no limit on fusion) vs Android 16, 17 and 18 (Gauntlet style)

Super Namek Piccolo (Post ROSAT) vs SSJ Vegeta (Post ROSAT)

King Cold vs Kaioken Namek Goku (Pre Zenkai)

Pefect Cell vs East Kai
1. Bojack

2. Meta-Cooler handily

3. Gotenks one-shots them all

4. If 1st rosat Vegeta, I have them as rivals, Piccolo.

5. King Cold..

6. Perfect Cell finger flicks

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Post by Kamiccolo9 » Wed Dec 24, 2014 2:31 pm

Lord Beerus wrote:Bojack vs Dabra

Meta Cooler vs Mecha Freeza

Base Gotenks (Post ROSAT and no limit on fusion) vs Android 16, 17 and 18 (Gauntlet style)

Super Namek Piccolo (Post ROSAT) vs SSJ Vegeta (Post ROSAT)

King Cold vs Kaioken Namek Goku (Pre Zenkai)

Pefect Cell vs East Kai
Which form of Bojack?

Um...Cooler. By a lot. He took on 2 Super Saiyans, while Freeza was casually taken out by one.

Gotenks stomps.

Piccolo takes this. I'm assuming you mean Vegeta's first ROSAT visit.

So, 90,000 Goku? Cold stomps. Hard.

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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by Eternal Super Saiyan » Wed Dec 24, 2014 3:18 pm

King Cold should be in the millions. Not as high as Frieza but perhaps around 50,000,000 give or take.

A Post-zenkai Goku Kaioken x20 would even have to exert some effort to defeat King Cold. At least that's my opinion.
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Post by Darkron2151 » Wed Dec 24, 2014 3:33 pm

Lord Beerus wrote:Bojack vs Dabra

Meta Cooler vs Mecha Freeza

Base Gotenks (Post ROSAT and no limit on fusion) vs Android 16, 17 and 18 (Gauntlet style)

Super Namek Piccolo (Post ROSAT) vs SSJ Vegeta (Post ROSAT)

King Cold vs Kaioken Namek Goku (Pre Zenkai)

Pefect Cell vs East Kai
1. "Base" Bojack gets wrecked. "Super" Bojack wrecks.

2. Meta Cooler nearly beat 2 Android Saga Super Saiyans, while Mecha Freeza is comparable to SSJ Goku on Namek. Not even 2 Mecha Freezas can beat Cooler.

3. Gotenks clears the gauntlet.....barely. If he uses his SKG attack, he's sure to win.

4. Piccolo IMO would be comparable to SSJG2 Vegeta, so regular SSJ Vegeta gets creamed.

5. King Cold would be even stronger than POST Zenkai KKx20 Goku. His power's comparable to his son's. A KKx20 and Kamehameha however may do a bit of damage like it did Freeza, but wouldn't beat him.

6. Perfect Cell dominates. East Kai was about to be one-shotted by Buu Arc SSJ Goku, and even he isn't THAT much stronger than his Cell Games self to where he can beat Cell in SSJ (even though he is a good deal stronger).

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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by Kaboom » Wed Dec 24, 2014 3:47 pm

Lord Beerus wrote:Bojack vs Dabra
Meta Cooler vs Mecha Freeza
Base Gotenks (Post ROSAT and no limit on fusion) vs Android 16, 17 and 18 (Gauntlet style)
Super Namek Piccolo (Post ROSAT) vs SSJ Vegeta (Post ROSAT)
King Cold vs Kaioken Namek Goku (Pre Zenkai)
Pefect Cell vs East Kai
— Normal Bojack has trouble but might still win. When Bojack transforms, Dabra gets his butt whooped.
MetaL Coola starts off with quite a large power advantage, even without any regenerative power-ups. Freeza gets his butt whooped.
— He can potentially beat either of the Android twins alone, with extreme difficulty for 17, but 16 is much too much for him. Gotenks eventually gets his butt whooped.
— A close fight, but Vegeta's still got the edge (since he seemed to abandon SS Grade 2 and is just using Super Saiyan now at the Cell Games). Piccolo gets his butt mildly whooped.
— You mean Goku before receiving his Ginyu-induced injuries and powering up from healing? Goku pretty much can't do anything to Cold. A Kaio-Ken x10 would be the best he can do, and that would still leave him under 10 million. I think King Cold at his best being "somewhat inferior to Freeza" is pushing 100 million, so... Goku gets his butt whooped.
— Kaioshin can easily deal with the lower levels of power that Cell used against Vegeta and Trunks, and maybe match up decently with Cell's power against Goku. Anything stronger than that, though, and Kaioshin gets his butt whooped.
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Post by Hellspawn28 » Wed Dec 24, 2014 4:15 pm

We never saw Dabra fully fight Gohan since the fight was left unfinished. Bojack in his second form was strong enough to stand up against SSj2 Gohan, so it can go either way. I think that they are pretty even with each other.
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Post by ZombieVito » Wed Dec 24, 2014 5:21 pm

Lord Beerus wrote:Bojack vs Dabra

Meta Cooler vs Mecha Freeza

Base Gotenks (Post ROSAT and no limit on fusion) vs Android 16, 17 and 18 (Gauntlet style)

Super Namek Piccolo (Post ROSAT) vs SSJ Vegeta (Post ROSAT)

King Cold vs Kaioken Namek Goku (Pre Zenkai)

Pefect Cell vs East Kai
1) Dabura was low SSJ2 tier. Bojack gets killed.

2) Metal Cooler easily.

3) The Cyborgs (:P) win.

4) Piccolo beats Vegeta just as easily as Cell did.

5) This is 90,000 Goku correct? Damn Cold kills Goku the same way Freeza killed those 3 Nameks in the anime.

6) East Kai could win using magic but without it he gets killed in seconds.

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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by SSJ2FutureGohan » Wed Dec 24, 2014 5:44 pm

Why is Gotenks so underrated? Based on the fact that Goku was so confident in fusion that he left the fate of the Earth and potentially universe, you would expect Gotenks to at least be stronger than Android 16 of all people. And why would Piccolo be so excited about Gotenks forming in the rosat if Gotenks was even weaker than Piccolo?

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