"Dragon Ball XENOVERSE" Official Discussion Thread

[MCDaveG]

I've met lot of Majins during the DBO play, so I wonder, how many there will be. Tough it is easy to suggest that almost everyone will be Saiyan.

[BlazingBarrrager]

A lot of the general fanboys will pick Saiyan for sure, but hardcore DBZ fans/players will most likely experiment with the different races to see which one fits their playstyle best. I personally prefer Glass Cannons/Fragile Speedsters so the Saiyan race will be my first choice.

[CashmanX]

A lot of the general fanboys will pick Saiyan for sure, but hardcore DBZ fans/players will most likely experiment with the different races to see which one fits their playstyle best. I personally prefer Glass Cannons/Fragile Speedsters so the Saiyan race will be my first choice.

Female Majin here. Imma make a witch using Uranai Baba's outfit. Plus they have good energy stats too.

[TheDevilsCorpse]

A lot of the general fanboys will pick Saiyan for sure, but hardcore DBZ fans/players will most likely experiment with the different races to see which one fits their playstyle best. I personally prefer Glass Cannons/Fragile Speedsters so the Saiyan race will be my first choice.

Based on the translated race descriptions, doesn't that actually describe Freeza's Clan better than the Saiyans?

I'm going for a Freeza Clansmen for my first play through. They haven't been playable in a game like this before. Plus it will be fun to use a race typically depicted as evil, yet still attempting to stop the bad guys. This will be especially hilarious when you have to fight Freeza. I'm sure the scripts will mostly be the same regardless of race or gender, but inside I'll be laughing at the idea being elaborated on. Especially the part where Freeza survives the Genki Dama, chokes your avatar and throws them into a rock. "My own kin betrays me? I don't know who you are, but you will know the wrath of Freeza!"

[KentalSSJ6]

You going with Froze or are you making your own?

[TheDevilsCorpse]

I don't really want to use Froze right off the bat, but I'll decide after I see what customization options they have for the basic features (as in like the Saiyan's hair, not the costumes we have been shown). I'd like one with kinda unique features and as small of a body frame as possible. Could also make Kurieza if they have the parts...? The basic body armor design (which I don't think you can change), kiiinda looks like his...if you squint. xD

[KentalSSJ6]

I don't really want to use Froze right off the bat, but I'll decide after I see what customization options they have for the basic features (as in like the Saiyan's hair, not the costumes we have been shown). I'd like one with kinda unique features and as small of a body frame as possible. Could also make Kurieza if they have the parts...? The basic body armor design (which I don't think you can change), kiiinda looks like his...if you squint. xD

Well...the male Majin had Neko Majin ears as a option. I wouldnt rule out a Kurieza head option either.

[dualist]

I going with a Namekian as my main as Piccolo was always my favorite character, second and third character will be a human and a Saiyan.

I was never crazy about Majins, so chances are I won't make one. I may tray out Freeza's race just because its great that we have one, but I'm more excited at the opportunity of being in Toki Toki with a variety of different character types.

Man I wish this was a MMO, but I can always look at it as one with Raids and PVP arena

[BlazingBarrrager]

A lot of the general fanboys will pick Saiyan for sure, but hardcore DBZ fans/players will most likely experiment with the different races to see which one fits their playstyle best. I personally prefer Glass Cannons/Fragile Speedsters so the Saiyan race will be my first choice.

Based on the translated race descriptions, doesn't that actually describe Freeza's Clan better than the Saiyans?

Well yes and no. Freeza's clan are more Fragile Speedsters while Saiyans are Glass Cannons. Female Saiyans in particular are going to have extremely low health, but have better regen in their ki and stamina when compared to males. The thing with me is that I also like using ki attacks so this also adds to my liking with Saiyans (yes Freeza's Clan also specializes in energy attacks, but they have low attack power). I guess what I'm trying to say is that I'm leaning more towards the Glass Cannon over Fragile Speedster.

[KAiWAi]

From a Female Majin, I will create: Neko Majin Karin Jr. !!

It will be a small white female majin, with the Neko Majin ears and a cat mouth.

It will be something like the progeny of Master Karin. Maybe somthing to do with Beerus too ...

Then, maybe I will create the first Saiyan gay of history ... not that I'm gay myself, but the idea sounds funny. I want to call him Popotato or Totomato !!

[Zelvin]

Well yes and no. Freeza's clan are more Fragile Speedsters while Saiyans are Glass Cannons. Female Saiyans in particular are going to have extremely low health, but have better regen in their ki and stamina when compared to males. The thing with me is that I also like using ki attacks so this also adds to my liking with Saiyans (yes Freeza's Clan also specializes in energy attacks, but they have low attack power). I guess what I'm trying to say is that I'm leaning more towards the Glass Cannon over Fragile Speedster.

Well, from a canon perspective, Freeza wasn't exactly fragile. I mean, half dead with half a body and still withstood an exploding planet. From a GamePlay perspective, they're act as more of what you say. But then again, a glass cannon can make bit shots, but take few hits. While a Fragile Speedster may go down with the same amount of damage, they're more likely to "DODGE!" those big, hurtful attacks. Some of the toughest figures to fight in the games have been those who've got high attack and movement speeds as opposed to singular big dmg attacks.

For me personally, Arcosian (I won't call them Freeza Race because it's such a boring copout and I'm disappointed with them for calling them that) and Majin will be my first choices for characters to suit my own kinda RP mindscape. And as we have 5 races with perhaps several more to be added, I hope we don't retain that 8 Character limit I heard about before. Should have as many openings as your HD is capable of holding. Like with Skyrim.

Arcosian will have the most interesting physical designs of any other race right now, while Saiyan and earthling will be damned near identical, and Namekians don't have as many options either. I was still hoping we'd have Female Arcosians. I mean, is it really that hard to give them a lil sas an throw on some sweater puppies? I mean if Fans can make female versions of them all, then Dimps should be more than capable, given what they've shown us with Dragon Ball Heroes. Maybe I just won't get to have my story of an Arcosian male protecting his little sister against the threat of Time Scrooge and the entire Cold family.

I know Namekians were outright stated to be Neutral Gender, but Arcosians never had such and Freeza directly refers to cold as his "Father", which suggests there is or was a Mother figure.

[TheDevilsCorpse]

Arcosian will have the most interesting physical designs of any other race right now, while Saiyan and earthling will be damned near identical, and Namekians don't have as many options either. I was still hoping we'd have Female Arcosians. I mean, is it really that hard to give them a lil sas an throw on some sweater puppies? I mean if Fans can make female versions of them all, then Dimps should be more than capable, given what they've shown us with Dragon Ball Heroes. Maybe I just won't get to have my story of an Arcosian male protecting his little sister against the threat of Time Scrooge and the entire Cold family.

By all that is holy; no. We have enough DB aliens with boobs.

Freeza's race is far more reptilian than mammal; they don't need mammaries to be female. People watching the Funimation Z dub have already thought that Freeza was female for years despite the lack of "sweater puppies". Just make a member of his clan and give it as feminine a voice as possible.

[Zelvin]

By all that is holy; no. We have enough DB aliens with boobs.

Freeza's race is far more reptilian than mammal; they don't need mammaries to be female. People watching the Funimation Z dub have already thought that Freeza was female for years despite the lack of "sweater puppies". Just make a member of his clan and give it as feminine a voice as possible.

I don't recall many Female figures in DBZ that were alien females. In fact, the only one I remember is Zangya, and that was from "Bojack Unbound" which was non-canon. Unless you wanna count Dodoria. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m5l9b1hxxPk
Yes, people thought Freeza was a chick. That was because of his color scheme and thick purple lips, and his voice was a bit effeminate. So changing the voice alone isn't enough to distinguish male from female. There needs to be a defining physical characteristic. Frankly, DBZ is lacking in strong female characters. We did first have Launch, but she was more an annoyance to the main cast and scared away Tien, and was quickly forgotten towards the end of Dragon Ball. Same with Chi-Chi, she never amounted to anything and Bulma was always the groups tech support. Even #18 doesn't really end up doing anything of import besides finally giving Krillin his due after all the crap he's had to deal with for being a dwarf without a love interest.

Are female Arcosians really such a horrid idea? I mean look we have Female Majins. And what makes them female? Having boobs apparently, despite Majins not having any need for copulation in order to reproduce and their physical appearance is entirely arbitrary.

[Mewzard]

By all that is holy; no. We have enough DB aliens with boobs.

Freeza's race is far more reptilian than mammal; they don't need mammaries to be female. People watching the Funimation Z dub have already thought that Freeza was female for years despite the lack of "sweater puppies". Just make a member of his clan and give it as feminine a voice as possible.

...How many canon aliens actually have boobs in Dragon Ball, outside of knowing the Saiyans do?

Freeza's entire army seemed to be men, or at least mono gender resembling men.

Namekians? All one gender, all male looking.

Before DB Online, Majin Buu only ever showed male appearances.

Babidi's race? Yakkon's race? Pui Pui's race? Only male representatives.

None of the female looking Kais were ever shown (and I believe they were described as one gender anyways).

Gure? Yeah, she was female, but no breasts to speak of.

Same with Jaco's wife, his friends couldn't tell him and his wife apart.

Hell, the first canon appearance of any aliens with breasts (as far as I can recall) was Dragon Ball Minus, when we got to see our first female Saiyans as done by Toriyama.

So, I'd argue aliens that take on humanity's definition of female secondary sex characteristics are a tiny minority at best.

As for females of Freeza's race, we only ever saw two member's of Freeza's race in canon (three if you insist on counting Kuriza), and both appeared to be male, so then one wonders if it's a monogendered race, or if we've just yet to see a female of Freeza's race/clan. If there are females of the race, they can do whatever they want to depict them (though, given the lack of options, it's likely another case of one gender like the Namekians).

[Kamiccolo9]

Arcosian will have the most interesting physical designs of any other race right now, while Saiyan and earthling will be damned near identical, and Namekians don't have as many options either. I was still hoping we'd have Female Arcosians. I mean, is it really that hard to give them a lil sas an throw on some sweater puppies? I mean if Fans can make female versions of them all, then Dimps should be more than capable, given what they've shown us with Dragon Ball Heroes. Maybe I just won't get to have my story of an Arcosian male protecting his little sister against the threat of Time Scrooge and the entire Cold family.

By all that is holy; no. We have enough DB aliens with boobs.

Somewhere, Scarz is crying.

[TheDevilsCorpse]

Canon is a fairly meaningless term to me, It doesn't matter if the species were drawn by Toriyama or not. If it's part of the franchise, it counts. We've had a female looking Kaio, a female looking Kaioshin, female Majins, female members of Freeza's army in DBO, at least half the space species in GT, Towa, DB filler demons (which are basically aliens from Makai), probably the female demon in the GT TV special, the female looking Jheese in the Onyuu Tokusentai, Tapion's race, Bojack's race, etc.

I dislike Majin's having boobs too, but it makes sense in a somewhat twisted way. Buu hit "puberty" while surrounded by Earthling women, so he applies the traits he knows and read about when he created his wife.

Now, I don't mind having sex characteristics for alien races, but said differences don't need to be breasts. It feels like an extreme cop out to me. Get creative and take inspiration from other species on Earth to come up with something that you can apply to the races.

[Zelvin]

...How many canon aliens actually have boobs in Dragon Ball, outside of knowing the Saiyans do?

I actually can't think of any. As you say, Gure is female and the only one of her race ever shown in DBZ. For all we know it's a race composed only of females. Toriyama tends to depict less-human looking races in a monogender fashion. The Yardrets all looked the same, so did the people on Planet Plant in "Episode of Bardock". Yet the kais have both Male and Female genders that're distinguishable. West Supreme Kai was distinctly female, due to being closely humanoid. You could even just say she's an elf. Even the Supreme Kai of Time we'll see in Xenoverse is absolutely female and one of the kaioshin.

And as I noted above, Majin really have no gender or any need for gender specification since they can magically self-divide to create a new majin. So their physical appearance as Male or Female is completely arbitrary and only serves to appease the Fans. And if that's the case, why not Female Arcosians? The actual physical differences would be rather easy to implement since their basic model follows the same as Saiyans and Earthlings.

If we look back too, all the "Demons" we knew in Dragonball were very much Male and most of them created by King Piccolo, and then we get Dabura who's clearly male and would make you think Demons are all men. Even Garlic jr was male and despite having his Father, Garlic, there was no visual representation of a mother figure. At least until Mira in DBO/X who is clearly a Woman. And Mira just looks like a different skin-toned Kioshin too.

[KentalSSJ6]

Arcosian will have the most interesting physical designs of any other race right now, while Saiyan and earthling will be damned near identical, and Namekians don't have as many options either. I was still hoping we'd have Female Arcosians. I mean, is it really that hard to give them a lil sas an throw on some sweater puppies? I mean if Fans can make female versions of them all, then Dimps should be more than capable, given what they've shown us with Dragon Ball Heroes. Maybe I just won't get to have my story of an Arcosian male protecting his little sister against the threat of Time Scrooge and the entire Cold family.

By all that is holy; no. We have enough DB aliens with boobs.

Freeza's race is far more reptilian than mammal; they don't need mammaries to be female. People watching the Funimation Z dub have already thought that Freeza was female for years despite the lack of "sweater puppies". Just make a member of his clan and give it as feminine a voice as possible.

But boobs themselves are holy. So what your really saying is "By all that is boobs, we have enough aliens with boobs".

A paradox ensues.

[TheDevilsCorpse]

I already listed plenty, you just need to step outside the "canon" bubble. While the anime gave us designs for them, Toriyama himself only drew Yardratians for DBO. In the game, they can be different colors, have different appearances in terms of eye design or number of "lumps" on their head, These could all be sex characteristics for the race, we don't know. Similarly for the Plantaens in Episode of Bardock, some of them have cheek whiskers, others don't; sex characteristic? And while they can look masculine or feminine, all Kaioshin are confirmed genderless because they are born from fruit on the Kaiju. It is true that Gure has no counterpart in Dragon Ball though, but the male versions in Toriyama's other works don't wear a skirt. Not really a biological difference though.

Majins may not have any real need for gender since they procreate through some sort of magic or ki attack, but they do have confirmed genders (even if it is just to appease fans). Even if I don't like it though, I've explained why the boobs could be a logical part of that design choice, but I see no reason for the Freeza Clan to have this applied as well. The race could easily have different colors denote genders, or specific types of crests, weird frills or many other sorts of attributes. I'd suggest size too, but Cold and Freeza already vary greatly.

Again, plenty of examples of females if you look. We even had Mera fairly early on in the DB filler with Makai before we ever got to demons like Garlic Jr. or Dabra.

I'm still not saying we shouldn't have gender differences or strong females, just that that I see no reason to apply that specific mammalian trait to a species that's clearly not mammalian in nature/design. Except for the obvious "herp-derp, boobs".

[Zelvin]

Majins may not have any real need for gender since they procreate through some sort of magic or ki attack, but they do have confirmed genders (even if it is just to appease fans). Even if I don't like it though, I've explained why the boobs could be a logical part of that design choice, but I see no reason for the Freeza Clan to have this applied as well. The race could easily have different colors denote genders, or specific types of crests, weird frills or many other sorts of attributes. I'd suggest size too, but Cold and Freeza already vary greatly.

I'm still not saying we shouldn't have gender differences or strong females, just that that I see no reason to apply that specific mammalian trait to a species that's clearly not mammalian in nature/design. Except for the obvious "herp-derp, boobs".

Considering that Freeza has already used Pink, Purple and White as his primary colors for most of his forms, using "color differences" to distinguish male and female Arcosians would be quite impossible. Even under the non-canon scope, Coller was primarily Purple and White, and Kuriza was more red/copper and white. King Cold had Purple skin tones and Chilled was purple as well with an orange outfit. So just using colors would be meaningless to discern gender.

Without a clearly defined physical trait, there'd be no distinguishing them. Giving them a more slender figure and some breasts aren't going to have a huge impact, but it would make them physically different enough to distinguish gender. And no one's saying they need to be big beach balls either. DBZ tends to really tone down the whole "big titty" thing so popular in anime. I think the most ample figure in DBZ was Maron, who was just there to be a stereotype. #18, Chi-Chi, Bulma and others all seemed more realistically proportioned for their sizes and builds, and I wouldn't envision Female Arcosians to be that much different either.

I can understand the whole genetic thing of them not being mammalian, but there's no reason to see Demons, Gods or other figures as Mammals either, other than the fact they're portrayed as Humans with a pigment issue. Which I tend to find as a far greater copout overall, with Saiyans being the biggest of just being straight up Humans with a tail. And with all Saiyans only having one canon hair color. The only way to tell Saiyans apart was by physical characteristics and their hair styles.

I just don't see the big issue about them having breasts. Logic doesn't tend to factor into these things. Look around in fiction. We've seen dragons with breasts and non-gendered creatures having them too if just to mess with the reader. Even a short manga series called "Laon" that circled around this kyuubi trying to reclaim all its tails, was not gender-specific and actually changed genders depending on who was in the room. If there was a larger number of men in the room, Laon would be man. If there were more women than men, Laon would be a female. And it was cause for a bit of hilarity.

So it's not like such concepts are tied and nailed down. They're mostly up to the interpretation of the writer. Even looking back to the 90's, in "Spider-Man: The Animated Series", there's an episode where he's in the sewers and discovers a society of lizard people. And despite being reptilian, there were physical differences between males and females, which included bumps that appeared to be mammaries with female clothing that distinguished that, despite it later showing that they were all originally various reptilian creatures to begin with and not people turned into lizard-folk. It's simply that breasts tend to be a very telling and distinguishing feature of female characters. While it's not true for all of them, as suggested with Gure in the DBZ Special, those are actually a bit more rare.

The primary reason for me to have Female Arcosians isn't just for the sake of playing out fantasies. People can do that without it. But it would expand the degree of character customization for players, especially with the disappointment over not having more skinny male majin. More options tend to make the larger player base happier.